Alec Baldwin going off on his daughter's voicemail

[LS20]

i just heard this today

WOW. BIG. FCKING. DEAL!!! we used to get sandals, belts, and yardsticks to the ass when we acted up.

 

[daveymark]

alec is a piece of sh!t, but he's a fine parent if this is the worst he's done in the parenting department.

 

[EKKC]

what the hell, the CIA or FBI should release some of those wiretap archives, i'm sure many parents have left similar messages for their kids, if not a few times worse.

and yes. Basinger did this as a trap. she probably did this on purpose. knowing that if their daughter don't pick up enough times, that Alec Baldwin would go off.

I'm not defending Baldwin, but Basinger is to blame here as well.

I knew some news would come up regarding some celebrity outburst or another britney shaving her head a few days after the VT shooting, I didn't know it would come THIS fast

edit: you know what, the way he went off, it shows that Alec cares. unlike some idiotic parents we see today who don't give a rat's ass about their kids and expect that the government and television to raise them.

 

[Vitamblu]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

I hate people like you. ****** liberals.
Please don't lock me up when I try to discipline my kids.

 

[PottedMeat]

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Some are legit, but some of those are hilarious:
Corruption - Wtf?
Sarcasm - LOL!
Unpredictable Responses ?

Is there some sort of state of California approved child rearing robot I can purchase or rent?

 

[sandorski]

Parents the world over hear this, then look over their shoulder to see if they are being watched. There's no real controversy here, just a person being a parent. Not their best parental moment, but common nonetheless.

 

[yhelothar]

I personally wouldn't make much of a judgment on the way he's dealing with his kid without knowing what the daughter is like.
I'm personally all for dealing with things constructively. But there are certain children that could use some constructiveness in dealing with problems, and unfortunately there are also certain kids that just needs discipline.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: LS20
i just heard this today

WOW. BIG. FCKING. DEAL!!! we used to get sandals, belts, and yardsticks to the ass when we acted up.

Whew! For a minute I read that as "up the" instead of "to the".

 

[ColdFusion718]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: LS20
i just heard this today

WOW. BIG. FCKING. DEAL!!! we used to get sandals, belts, and yardsticks to the ass when we acted up.

Whew! For a minute I read that as "up the" instead of "to the".

We all see what we want to see.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718

We all see what we want to see.

Yes of course! :laugh:

 

[senseamp]

Kim Basinger sucks for leaking this. She is doing everything to destroy her daughter's relationship with her father for her own selfish reasons, and her daughter will rightfully blame her for this at some point. It's a private family conversation, it should not be aired like dirty laundry. Plus the media are scumbags for playing this.

 

[Rudee]

Piss on Kim Basinger for releasing this to the media.

 

[Tarrant64]

Umm...what's the big deal? He was upset.

I have memory loss from when my dad got upset.

 

[MrsBugi]

Originally posted by: Vitamblu

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

I hate people like you. ****** liberals.
Please don't lock me up when I try to discipline my kids.

"People like me" = teachers, social workers, therapists, etc. Liberals, conservatives, and otherwise. It's the ****** law, and it's there for a reason: better safe than sorry.

I would not hesitate to report you and have your children taken away if you were beating them into a bloody pulp.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I don't think his message is acceptable - it can't really be justified as "discipline," in that he seems totally out of control and self-absorbed - but I think Basinger has committed a more abusive act by leaking it. She really does seem like a piece of work.

 

[xgsound]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Alec isn't out of line. He has a right to discipline his daughter however he sees fit as long as it's not REAL abuse. She probably deserves to be yelled at....you know Kim isn't exactly the kind of mother anyone would want.

He was not yelling at the girl, he was yelling at an answering machine. He was having that argument with himself. For all he knew the girl was dead in a ditch.

I applaude Basinger for putting this out. It was not a private conversation, it was a recorded message, and he knew it. What does he do and say when he knows no one is listening?


Jim

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: Vitamblu

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

I hate people like you. ****** liberals.
Please don't lock me up when I try to discipline my kids.

"People like me" = teachers, social workers, therapists, etc. Liberals, conservatives, and otherwise. It's the ****** law, and it's there for a reason: better safe than sorry.

I would not hesitate to report you and have your children taken away if you were beating them into a bloody pulp.

According to those ridiculous standards, the simple act of being human makes you emotionally abusive to your child. People wouldn't have such a negative reaction to what you posted if it wasn't so over the top in regards to emotional abuse. Being sarcastic or threatening your child with discipline if they do something again is not abuse, and is far from beating them into a bloody pulp. Including that other stuff in makes it really hard to take that list seriously.

Also, those indicators of abuse are far too subjective, and are just as likely to come from other sources. "Sleep eating or speech disorders", "Learning problems" Poor self-esteem and self-image more often comes from fellow kids than from parents. "Hungers for attention and affection", pretty much describes any kid i've met.

 

[Luthien]

bah, she is probably a spoiled little brat like the hilton chicks

 

[w3stfa11]

I think it's sad that people are saying he's a good father when he doesn't even know how old she is! :disgust:

 

[SlitheryDee]

I was ready to be outraged by the clip but strangely I find myself thinking "Yeah, you tell her Alec".

I dunno. It just sounds like he might have an actual real issue here rather than some manifestation of actor's insanity.

 

[fire400]

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
My parents have been far more abusive.....

my dad beat put soap in my mouth, yelled at me in person and beat my ass before.

this is still bad though. it's very violent in words.

problem stated, don't down talk to your kids, talk to them face to face like an equal.

 

[mrrman]

such encourages words for a young child to hear...what a great role model

 

[djheater]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Some are legit, but some of those are hilarious:
Corruption - Wtf?
Sarcasm - LOL!
Unpredictable Responses ?

Is there some sort of state of California approved child rearing robot I can purchase or rent?

Corruption - Prostituting your child, or using them to sell drugs.
Sarcasm - In context could be abusive if it was consistent and deluding to the child. Much like the next one:
Unpredictable Responses - A child should be able to expect a reasonable reaction to repeated stimuli, if they can't it's unbalancing. If they are consistently unsure as to what their parent's reaction will be to an action it's psychologically damaging.

Any of the things on the list in context of a complete relationship could be abusive... or not... it all depends on the circumstances, doesn't it.

ATOT has a tendancy to look at things at a microscopic or macroscopic level without much middle ground. Thankfully we're not in charge of child welfare laws (so far as I know).

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: suicidalpigeon
That's how a parent should be. Arrogant kids these days don't know schiz about discipline and respect.

QFT

 

[SolMiester]

Originally posted by: MrsBugi

Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212

Originally posted by: MrsBugi
Verbal abuse and intimidation. Not an appropriate way to communicate with your child, 11 years old or not. There are much better, more effective ways to talk to your kids. I cofacilitate a parenting class and it's amazing what some parents do/say since their parents did it to them... hard cycle to break.

I AGREE WITH YOU, but it is a parenting technique that is VERY common and not "abuse". If my neighbor went off on his kid like that I'd think "dude needs to chill." But we all get frustrated and parents need to set guidelines. This is a non-story - if he said "I'm going to rip your head off" sure, I agree it's newsworthy. Bad Alec! But, instead, he expressed his frustration and spoke harshly, but I've seen parents say and do much worse.

I'm not saying he should win father of the year but:
A) Celeb kids usually grow up with no discipline, like Paris Hilton. Kudos to him for being a real father
B) He's dealing with his kid in a rough but not-abusive way.
C) He shouldn't have mentioned her mother negatively but, again, this is human and parents do this
D) He doesn't seem to be a bad person, just a tough cookie

I think his daughter may in fact grow up to be a responsible, decent person and not some spoiled rich kid. That's a good thing in my book.

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence - like it or not, legally, it does constitute abuse. As a mandated reporter, if one of my clients reports that, I am legally obligated to file a child abuse report. If I don't, I would be in serious legal trouble since I am required by law to make a report.

I agree that celeb kids can grow up as brats, but calling your daughter a "thoughtless little pig," etc. is not "being a good father."

More info about child abuse.

"Emotional Abuse?California Penal Code Section 11166

* Emotional abuse is defined as when a person causes or permits a child to suffer unjustifiable or significant mental suffering.

Emotional Abuse?Federal Guidelines

* Acts or omissions by parents or caretakers that have caused, or could cause, serious behavioral, cognitive, emotional or mental disorders.
* Some acts, do not leave evident harm to the child but warrant reporting, such as extreme or bizarre forms of punishment, such as locking a child in a closet.
* Emotional abuse is almost always present when other forms of abuse are identified

Emotional Abuse

* Belittling
* Blaming
* Sarcasm
* Rejection
* Corruption
* Screaming
* Humiliation
* Threatening
* Name calling
* Unpredictable responses
* Child exposed to domestic violence
* Isolation of the child from social contacts
* Deliberate withholding of love and affection
* Child placed in restraints, caged or severe confinement

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Child

* Withdrawn, seeks isolation or is unresponsive
* Overly rigid or passive
* Repetitive, rhythmic movements
* Sleep, eating or speech disorders
* Learning problems
* Destructive to self or others
* Poor self-image and esteem - may unwittingly say ?I?m bad?my daddy tells me so.?
* Hungers for attention and affection
* Failure to Thrive Syndrome

Indicators of Emotional Abuse in the Parent

* Has unrealistic expectations of the child - developmentally, educationally or emotionally
* Enforces unusual penalties or vaguely sinister punishment - it is one thing to place a child in time-out in their room for five minutes, and another to place a child in time-out in a locked closet for five minutes
* Uses child to satisfy their own ego needs
* Describes the child as bad, different, worthless or evil
* Refers to the child as ?It?
* Uses child as a battleground for problems"

Oh blah blah blah,oh please, in case you haven't realized, brat kids came from America where you give too many rights to kids in the name of protecting them but in the end, typically end up severing the parents right to come down hard at the barrier perfering to teach them blackmail in order to get what they want. Parenting skills have gone to shite.


2c