Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

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Hans Gruber

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It's not. Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, was shot and killed by a live round in a gun on the set of The Crow.

All of the these questions are answered if you actually take the time to read the investigation. They were practicing a camera shot that required him to point the gun at the camera. It was a rehearsal with what was announced to be a cold gun. Him pulling the trigger was probably just a part of the script.

The actors aren't taught to "check the gun" they are given. You run into another issue that if you have professionals checking a gun and announcing it cold, do you want a non-professional to be altering the gun by opening it and potentially screwing something up or getting something logged in it that could be a projectile? It is NOT the actor's job to do so. That is why there are safety protocols to be followed. Unfortunately, they are not in this case.

They rehearse with the real/cold weapon because you need to have a feel of the weight and how it functions in order to give an authentic look to how you use it. That's also one reason why they still use prop guns with blanks. It's hard for an actor to fake recoil and the kick of a real gun. Safe or not, that's just the truth in how things are. Investigators have not said that Alec did anything wrong.
Brandon Lee was not killed by a live round.
In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun (which was a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load. During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.
 
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Article about press conference in Santa Fe from the sheriff.

"The Santa Fe County Sheriff on Wednesday said the gun discharged by actor Alec Baldwin during a fatal incident on the set of “Rust” fired a “suspected live round.”

Investigators believe they have recovered the “lead projectile” and shell casing from the ammunition that struck and killed the film’s director of photography, Halyna Hutchins, 42, and injured director Joel Souza.

“The facts are clear: a weapon was handed to Mr. Baldwin. The weapon is functional and fired a live round, killing Ms. Hutchins and injuring Mr. Souza,” Sheriff Adan Mendoza said at a joint press conference between the Sante Fe County Sheriff’s Office and district attorney office.

Approximately 500 rounds of ammunition — a combination of blanks, dummy and live rounds — have been seized from the set, Mendoza said. He said they believe the lead projectile that was fired from the gun was recovered from Souza’s shoulder.

A total of three guns were seized from the proximity of the incident, Mendoza added. In addition to the one believed to have been fired by Baldwin, one was altered and not functioning and the other was plastic.

The evidence will be submitted to the FBI for further processing, he said.

Those who were in close proximity to the shooting have been interviewed and authorities are looking to also continue to interview the more than 100 people who were also present in different parts of the set.

Baldwin, Armorer Hannah Reed-Gutierrez and assistant director David Halls have been cooperative with investigators, according to Mendoza."

"District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies also said during the press conference that prosecution will be initiated if facts and documents support charges and “all options are on the table” regarding possible charges relating to the incident."


It's obvious from the interviews that Alec was "practicing" drawing the gun from a sitting position when he shot Halyna. No cameras were rolling. practicing.
 
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Hmmm…is it normal for FBI to get involved? Also, press conference article states Halyna grabbed her midsection so she was shot in her stomach. Weird that no one is investigating the trajectory of the bullet and how it went from her stomach to the director’s shoulder.
 
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Hmmm…is it normal for FBI to get involved? Also, press conference article states Halyna grabbed her midsection so she was shot in her stomach. Weird that no one is investigating the trajectory of the bullet and how it went from her stomach to the director’s shoulder.
The FBI frequently in high profile and complicated cases will use their labs and experts to help local and State law enforcement.

It might have hit her high in the diaphragm and angled up into her chest cavity, or even glanced off a rib. You'd have to wait for the autopsy to be sure, if they release it at all.
 
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I just assumed you were Tx.. you know.. from the batshit rabid talibanian shit you post all the time. Did you get a chance to cash in on the 10k?
Born and raised in Southern California, in Los Angeles County.
Like Davy Crockett i said "you may all go to hell, i'm going to Texas!" And i voted with my feet.

I never thought of Texas as being full of Islamic terrorists like the Taliban, but if you think it is you must have your usual ignorant reasons for it.

What part of Germany are you from?
 

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This is probably the only time I will agree with Taj.
The armorer should bear the ultimate responsibility. We are forgetting one thing, it's a movie. It's pretend. Anyone really think Keanu Reeves can really handle a gun like John Wick? No. That's why experts are hired. It's their job. If a check is required by the actor that instruction should come from the armorer. If the actor failed to do what instructed then they bear a greater blame.
 

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So there is a possibility of charging Alec with negligent homicide. But I think it would be more fair to punish everyone involved in putting a live gun in his hand.
You're posting Nancy Grace and ET as if that's a legit news source. You really shouldn't be posting in any P&N thread. Ever.
 
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Who is ‘Rust’ armorer Hannah Guttierez-Reed? 24-year-old is daughter of a veteran Hollywood gunslinger – beloved patriot News

Stu Brumbaugh, who worked as a key grip on “The Old Way,” told The Wrap that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed’s behavior caused the film’s star Nicolas Cage to scream at her and storm off set after she fired a gun near the cast and crew for the second time in three days without warning.

“Make an announcement, you just blew my fucking eardrums out,” Cage yelled before walking off the set, Brumbaugh told the publication.

It's a miracle Nic Cage didn't sue her for causing him severe auditory distress.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It's not. Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee, was shot and killed by a live round in a gun on the set of The Crow.
Minor quibble, Brandon Lee was killed by a squib load which originated from an improvised blank. This is very likely the first live bullet incident on a movie set.
In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun (which was a real revolver) was loaded with improperly made dummy rounds, improvised from live cartridges that had the powder charges removed by the special effects crew, so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunition. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges, and at some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired. Although there were no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck—a dangerous condition known as a squib load. During the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank's propellant and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]

EDIT: Hans beat me to it.
 

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The United States is Taliban country? If you say so.

Some places are like downtown Kabul for sure. I mean chasing down joggers and murdering them, murdering a guy who sits in the driveway but is leaving the area when he notices you...

I can't tell you how many times I've had people drive into my driveway, sit there to make a call or something and drive away. Never in my MIND did I think to get my gun, present it and run after them to shoot them while they were trying to get away.

You know why? I don't live in a fucking war zone.
 

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The armorer should bear the ultimate responsibility. We are forgetting one thing, it's a movie. It's pretend. Anyone really think Keanu Reeves can really handle a gun like John Wick? No. That's why experts are hired. It's their job. If a check is required by the actor that instruction should come from the armorer. If the actor failed to do what instructed then they bear a greater blame.

Minor quibble because you gave possibly the most notable example of an actor who does have excellent handling skills (due to extensive training for the John Wick movies). Look up the youtube videos of Keanu training with Taran Butler. He (Keanu) has better gun handling skills than the vast vast majority of gun owners. He has enough training to be on par with more serious/skilled law enforcement units (shooting wise).

That is not to say he has the same knowledge of the internal workings of a firearm to modify them in such a manner to be used for movies.... but I don't know if armorers / prop masters are also full fledge gunsmiths either.
 
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Fenixgoon

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The armorer should bear the ultimate responsibility. We are forgetting one thing, it's a movie. It's pretend. Anyone really think Keanu Reeves can really handle a gun like John Wick? No. That's why experts are hired. It's their job. If a check is required by the actor that instruction should come from the armorer. If the actor failed to do what instructed then they bear a greater blame.
You clearly haven't seen the videos of Keanu practicing on firing ranges. He's pretty fucking good.

 
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Some places are like downtown Kabul for sure. I mean chasing down joggers and murdering them, murdering a guy who sits in the driveway but is leaving the area when he notices you...

I can't tell you how many times I've had people drive into my driveway, sit there to make a call or something and drive away. Never in my MIND did I think to get my gun, present it and run after them to shoot them while they were trying to get away.

You know why? I don't live in a fucking war zone.
Do you live in a place where there are crazy people?
 

kage69

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If you think there has been an attempt at overthrowing our government, you are an idiot, not just might be an idiot, but you are an idiot.

Acting like you've been in a coma for the last year or so is a shitty way to disagree with someone, but sure, you do that.

Cliffs for you and the rest of the cult: Trump the Twice Impeached Traitor tried to pull off a coup, after blatantly trying to sabotage and undermine election integrity. He's on tape telling Georgian officials to find more votes FFS. When that didn't work he tried a hasty insurrection on 1/6/21, was aided by several GQP politicians but ultimately mushroom blocked by Pence who wasn't onboard with that much treason. The attempt to invalidate the election is literally a plan on paper from John Eastman, one that Team Treason seems quite proud of.

Punch yourself in the face some more, it amuses me.
 
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