HomerJS
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That six year old who shot his teacher and the parents belong in prison way before Alec Baldwin.
Should put them in there as a family
Should put them in there as a family
You are completely hand waiving away Baldwin's responsibility in safe handling of firearms!
Why isn't understanding and following safety procedures part of his job, even as just an actor? Completely absurd.
How do we have hours and hours of TV and movies produced every week and no one else is killing anyone?
This was a half assed, idiotic and incompetent operation that killed someone.
In what other business would this be acceptable?
You are completely hand waiving away Baldwin's responsibility in safe handling of firearms!
Why isn't understanding and following safety procedures part of his job, even as just an actor? Completely absurd.
How do we have hours and hours of TV and movies produced every week and no one else is killing anyone?
This was a half assed, idiotic and incompetent operation that killed someone.
In what other business would this be acceptable?
Except nobody was saying this was acceptable, as per Bitek.I think I mostly agree with you, but I really find it hard to work out exactly how much blame belongs with each participant in this fiasco.
I just read this
“This Cannot Be Right”: How the Gun in Alec Baldwin’s Hands Turned the ‘Rust’ Set Deadly
Five errors contributed to cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’s death. Inside the investigation into a fatal accident that’s shaken the film industry—and sent the district attorney on a quest for answers.www.vanityfair.com
Which just makes me relieved I'm not on the jury, as the sheer amount of mental work it's going to involve to follow the events and decide how to interpret them is exhausting to think about.
It seems to imply there's a real mystery about how live rounds came to be mixed in with the blanks and fake rounds. And also implies it's not necessarily true that crew members were shooting live rounds as recreational on-set. Plus yet more discussion over whether this gun could fire without a trigger-pull (something I'm entirely confused about at this point).
Seems a big part of it was the attempt to do everything on the cheap, and hence people had multiple jobs, including the armourer.
Even if they do, still doesn't make a good case for safety and competence.
Alternate scenario, non-Hollywood:
I want to buy a gun, I go to Cabela's or my local gun store, see something in the case, and ask the salesman if a can handle it.
He takes it out of the case and gives it to me.
Is it ok for me to waive the gun at the people in the store? Ok to pull the trigger? Point it at my face to look at the barrel?
Do you want to be a customer in a store like that? Why not?
What if the salesmen first said it's unloaded?
Ok then? Just trust him?
If he checks it, says it's unloaded, do I still check it?
Yes I fing do.
Do I ever point it at anyone?
No.
Do I ask where is ok to point it, and if it's ok to dry fire it, even after verifying it's empty?
Yes
Do you ever want to be a shopper in a store where these rules are not followed and enforced?
I wouldn't.
These are not prop guns.
These are working firearms they are recklessly using as props.
You had an actor pretending to be a cowboy, but the very real gun never pretended to be anything different than what it was.
The humans forgot/ignored that, and they killed one of themselves for it
"you people" "subhuman" The National Socialists are still alive and living in you.Oh Not violent at all. As we've seen you crack pot right wingers are the violent ones.
I am just trying to warn sane people because they think that there are people to talk to on your side. And that's how we will be caught with our pants down.
Moderate and left of moderate people have too much faith in humanity, they don't realize how scummy and subhuman you people really are. There is nobody to talk to in regards to the millions of people like you. As we see people are still trying to speak to you like you are a rational human being with a soul and decency. This is completely wrong.
Sane people need to be warned about the scum that are you.
Waving a gun around that a store owner gave you is negligent, but what it isn't, is reckless. It's only reckless if you knew or had good reason to believe it was loaded. If the subsantial likelihood is that it wasn't loaded, but there was a very small chance it was, that's ordinary civil negligence. Those who fail to account for extremely low risks of nonetheless major calamities are generally civilly negligent. That is the exact situation here.
The Vanity Fair article is pretty good. It states things I was expecting to find. The armorer was over worked and rushed (she was actually working two jobs on set and had been recently reprimanded for spending to much time on armorer).I think I mostly agree with you, but I really find it hard to work out exactly how much blame belongs with each participant in this fiasco.
I just read this
“This Cannot Be Right”: How the Gun in Alec Baldwin’s Hands Turned the ‘Rust’ Set Deadly
Five errors contributed to cinematographer Halyna Hutchins’s death. Inside the investigation into a fatal accident that’s shaken the film industry—and sent the district attorney on a quest for answers.www.vanityfair.com
Which just makes me relieved I'm not on the jury, as the sheer amount of mental work it's going to involve to follow the events and decide how to interpret them is exhausting to think about.
It seems to imply there's a real mystery about how live rounds came to be mixed in with the blanks and fake rounds. And also implies it's not necessarily true that crew members were shooting live rounds as recreational on-set. Plus yet more discussion over whether this gun could fire without a trigger-pull (something I'm entirely confused about at this point).
Seems a big part of it was the attempt to do everything on the cheap, and hence people had multiple jobs, including the armourer.
"you people" "subhuman" The National Socialists are still alive and living in you.
Also used by the National Socialist Party, a word or a phrase isn't "owned" by anyone. It belongs to everyone that uses it. MrSquished now owns the words and phrases."you people" and "subhuman" are phrases already owned by "the right", especially southern conservatives, when referring to POC.
Also used by the National Socialist Party, a word or a phrase isn't "owned" by anyone. It belongs to everyone that uses it. MrSquished now owns the words and phrases.
You people are shite people, and missing basic human traits like decency. People need to be warned about how evil you are.Also used by the National Socialist Party, a word or a phrase isn't "owned" by anyone. It belongs to everyone that uses it. MrSquished now owns the words and phrases.
Also used by the National Socialist Party, a word or a phrase isn't "owned" by anyone. It belongs to everyone that uses it. MrSquished now owns the words and phrases.
Only a dishonest moron looks at "National Socialist" and ignores the "national" part."you people" "subhuman" The National Socialists are still alive and living in you.
I mean just yesterday he was outraged...OUTRAGED by the idea that a president might tell a lie.It's as if you haven't been exposed to the raving masses of RWNJ shit-gibbons that have done just that with "woke" as a code word for every group they want to marginalize and now don't have to use the dirty words to do it anymore ...
You are just being silly at this point.
You are just dodging the questions.
Someone is dead due to someone else's reckless disregard for safety.
Expecting accountability for that is not silly.
Excusing them because they are rich, famous, and someone on my side of the aisle is shameful. Just letting the little person be the fall guy isn't liberal.
Don't be this guy
You are missing the point though. It’s not “someone” else’s reckless disregard for their safety.You are just dodging the questions.
Someone is dead due to someone else's reckless disregard for safety.
Expecting accountability for that is not silly.
Excusing them because they are rich, famous, and someone on my side of the aisle is shameful. Just letting the little person be the fall guy isn't liberal.
Don't be this guy
I may be using incorrect terminology but to me a "prop gun" is a gun that is used [drumroll please] as a prop. Could be a real or fake gun.
As for the rest, see my prior reply.
You are missing the point though. It’s not “someone” else’s reckless disregard for their safety.
It’s about roughly a dozen “someone else’s” partial lapses in judgement.
It’s not satisfying. It’s not like TV where there’s a singular bad guy who’s completely responsible but it’s how these things happen.
This isn't about protecting someone in authority. There is no doubt in my mind that Baldwin, as production head, has civil liability for what happened and should pay a hefty price for that. And I doubt anyone here disagrees with that.He's not the only one at fault, but he's a major part of the incident as well as the culture. He did nothing to stop it, he's in a leadership position, and he actively participated and promoted it.
Longer response above, otherwise I'm going with Clooney on this one
"“It’s infuriating,” the actor added, saying productions need to make sure that the heads of various departments “have experience and know what they’re doing.”
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“I’d be so embarrassed if my kids in 20 years, who are 4 now, look back at this moment in time and said, ‘You were OK with this and you didn’t stand up and say something?’ I’d be humiliated by that.”
“My father’s one mantra,” Clooney told Maron, was “to always challenge anyone in power and always defend anyone without power. And if you do that in life, you win.”"
It’s not even a lynch mob, it’s just dishonest shitheads like Taj who are mad at him because he made fun of Trump.This isn't about protecting someone in authority. There is no doubt in my mind that Baldwin, as production head, has civil liability for what happened and should pay a hefty price for that. And I doubt anyone here disagrees with that.
The problem that most seem to have is that the argument for criminal charges is illogical. Should every actor that handles a prop gun be required to be a gun expert? Has there always been an expectation that these actors be gun experts? And if the actors are required to be the gun experts, then what purpose does the armorer serve? In professional environments it is not normal to have to doublecheck someone else's work, especially when the person doing the doublechecking is not the expert.
I'm all for questioning the authority, which is why in this case I'm questioning the authority of the lynch mob.