Alec Baldwin shoots and kills a woman, injures a man.

[JEDIYoda]

Bullshit, Alec Baldwin shot and killed a woman and injured a man. He pulled the trigger, he was practicing with a real firearm and was drawing it from a crossdraw holster. He had to pull the gun from the holster, cock it and pull the trigger while pointing the gun at Halyna. Even a fucking ignorant dumbass like yourself and certainly a veteran actor like Alec Baldwin should have known not to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.

Now do you understand why everybody believes you are a joke......you can`t even get the facts straight!1 The main fact is Baldwin did not do it on purpose....he did not plan to kill somebody!!

 

[pmv]

Now do you understand why everybody believes you are a joke......you can`t even get the facts straight!1 The main fact is Baldwin did not do it on purpose....he did not plan to kill somebody!!

All I get from it is that Taj is completely consumed with hatred of Baldwin.

That someone can be as riled up as Taj seems to be about someone as politically inconsequential as Alec Baldwin, can only be a reflection of what an intense man-crush Taj has on Trump - as the only reason I can see for this level of blind hatred is that Baldwin engaged in the odd bit of mockery of the Orange narcissist.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Despite your wish to hold Alec Baldwin 100% responsible because he used to insult Trump, while he did pull the trigger he won't be legally responsible.

Don't get upset.

I won't, i've accepted that money, influence, political pull and celebrity status usually give the elite a get out of jail card.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Now do you understand why everybody believes you are a joke......you can`t even get the facts straight!1 The main fact is Baldwin did not do it on purpose....he did not plan to kill somebody!!

Planning isn't required, the fact is he did it. Can you deny what the facts are?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Planning isn't required, the fact is he did it. Can you deny what the facts are?

You are so wrong!! YES -- I can deny what you claim to be the facts!! There was no premeditation.......

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You are so wrong!! YES -- I can deny what you claim to be the facts!! There was no premeditation.......

Did, or did not, Alec Baldwin fire the shot that killed Halyna Hutchins?

There needs to be no premeditation or intent. Did he or did he not?

 

[Greenman]

I really hate forum trials.

 

[LikeLinus]

Did, or did not, Alec Baldwin fire the shot that killed Halyna Hutchins?

There needs to be no premeditation or intent. Did he or did he not?

No, he didn't. It was not his job to check the weapon. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but fact is, you and Hans Gruber are making yourself sound like fucking morons. You seriously have a mental defect if you cannot understand the situation as a whole.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

No, he didn't. It was not his job to check the weapon. You can argue until you are blue in the face, but fact is, you and Hans Gruber are making yourself sound like fucking morons. You seriously have a mental defect if you cannot understand the situation as a whole.

You are an idiot if you believe that crap. He fired the shot that killed Halyna. You just don't want him to be responsible for doing it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You are an idiot if you believe that crap. He fired the shot that killed Halyna. You just don't want him to be responsible for doing it.

and you desperately do

 

[imported_tajmahal]

and you desperately do

Logic and honesty requires it.

 

[LikeLinus]

You are an idiot if you believe that crap. He fired the shot that killed Halyna. You just don't want him to be responsible for doing it.

That's where you're wrong. I don't care what Alec Baldwin does. I'm at least intelligent enough to read what has been reported and to know the rules of weapons handling. I've worked in video production for 16 years. I'm not the one trying with every ounce of his being trying to crucify Alec at every chance. If I thought he was guilty of something, I'd say it. You have a modus operandi and WANT him to be guilty. There's a huge difference between our logic, or your lack there of. Grow up and get over it.

 

[IronWing]

Taj is just mad that Alec Baldwin teamed up with Kim Jong-il to host a peace conference.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Logic and honesty requires it.

two things that have long vacated your brain

 

[imported_tajmahal]

That's where you're wrong. I don't care what Alec Baldwin does. I'm at least intelligent enough to read what has been reported and to know the rules of weapons handling. I've worked in video production for 16 years. I'm not the one trying with every ounce of his being trying to crucify Alec at every chance. If I thought he was guilty of something, I'd say it. You have a modus operandi and WANT him to be guilty. There's a huge difference between our logic, or your lack there of. Grow up and get over it.

If you say so, Alec Baldwin did not pull the trigger on the gun that killed Halnya.

 

[nickqt]

Anyone arguing with a treasonous shitbag who has openly advocated murdering illegal immigrants has lost the argument by engaging.

Just throwing that out there. Ya got trolled. Real hard.

 

[MixMasterTang]

Did, or did not, Alec Baldwin fire the shot that killed Halyna Hutchins?

There needs to be no premeditation or intent. Did he or did he not?

Did, or did not, Kyle Rittenhouse fire the shot that killed Anthony Huber?

There needs to be no premeditation or intent. Did he or did he not?

 

[sportage]

Now children....
These accidents happen. Stuntmen are killed on set all the time, and Vic Morrow was decapitated, and Brandon Lee was shot and killed on set. Unless someone purposely messed with the gun and intentionally loaded a real bullet, this Rust incident will probably get treated pretty much as the incident on the set of Twilight Zone: The Movie. Charges filed, court hearing, but in the end ruled an accident. Accidents happen on movie sets, space shuttles explode, airplanes crash, police shoot innocent bystanders, Twin Towers collapsed with rescuers still inside, and a kid can die from E coli tainted Jack-In-The-Box hamburger. All tragic events, but still we feel that someone must be to blame or must pay. The bottom line, shit happens. This Rust incident was a tragic mistake, not a cold blooded murder. If this case were an intentional murder, then they will figure it out.

 

[Vic]

Logic and honesty requires it.

And the law requires mens rea.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Anyone arguing with a treasonous shitbag who has openly advocated murdering illegal immigrants has lost the argument by engaging.

Just throwing that out there. Ya got trolled. Real hard.

And the law requires mens rea.

Only if.......ONLY IF he's being criminally prosecuted. There needs to be no intent in a negligent homicide case or if you are just stating the simple fact that he fired the shot that resulted in a persons death.

mens rea

www.law.cornell.edu

"
The MPC and Mens Rea
Most states use the MPC's classification for various mentes reae. The MPC organizes and defines culpable states of mind into four hierarchical categories:

1. acting purposely - the defendant had an underlying conscious object to act
2. acting knowingly - the defendant is practically certain that the conduct will cause a particular result
3. acting recklessly - The defendant consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustified risk
4. acting negligently - The defendant was not aware of the risk, but should have been aware of the risk

Thus, a crime committed purposefully would carry a more severe punishment than if the offender acted knowingly, recklessly, or negligently. The MPC greatly impacted the criminal codes of a number of states and continues to be influential in furthering discourse on mens rea."

 

[pmv]

I won't, i've accepted that money, influence, political pull and celebrity status usually give the elite a get out of jail card.

You understate your position. You don't merely 'accept' that, you like that the world is that way and want to keep it that way. Hence your support for Trump and the right.

 

[HumblePie]

Not going to read all this. My take is there is a lot of fault and blame to go around. The ultimate responsibility is on Alec here though as he pulled the trigger. Basic rules of gun safety taught to anyone that has taken any sort of training, which Alec has, are these.

1) Treat every gun as loaded unless you physically check for yourself

2) Never point the gun at anything you don't want being shot

Those are the two simple rules for basic gun safety. Alec failed on both of them. He played a stupid game and everyone is going to win stupid prizes. The rest of the story is how much "blame" everyone else gets for it in terms of their individual responsibilities assumed by their positions for safety on the set and more so for gun safety on the set. Of course, if it can be discovered, the actual person that loaded a live round is also going to share some of the blame.

 

[JD50]

Oh god here we go ^

 

[HumblePie]

Oh god here we go ^

I am glad you don't like statements of fact. Really continues to assure me of how bad this board is. Alec was criminally negligent here along with others in this case. At this point there is no public known evidence that it was intentional to have someone killed, so criminal negligence charges are basically what anyone is likely to get. Of course the whole wrongful death civil charges are going to sting a lot of people from that production. It's a sad tragedy and some people are going to pay. Some other people will feel like not enough justice has been done and others will feel like too much was done. That is typically how these types of cases shake out.

 

[HomerJS]

Not going to read all this. My take is there is a lot of fault and blame to go around. The ultimate responsibility is on Alec here though as he pulled the trigger. Basic rules of gun safety taught to anyone that has taken any sort of training, which Alec has, are these.

1) Treat every gun as loaded unless you physically check for yourself

2) Never point the gun at anything you don't want being shot

Those are the two simple rules for basic gun safety. Alec failed on both of them. He played a stupid game and everyone is going to win stupid prizes. The rest of the story is how much "blame" everyone else gets for it in terms of their individual responsibilities assumed by their positions for safety on the set and more so for gun safety on the set. Of course, if it can be discovered, the actual person that loaded a live round is also going to share some of the blame.

Want to bet on how the court rules on your theory? By ultimate do you mean primarily? I still say the hired expert bears primary responsibility since actors are never assumed to be qualified to handle a gun. Baldwin does bear some responsibility since he pulled the trigger but it will not be criminal.