Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenged to a debate for $10,000 or proceeds to charity

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JSt0rm

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Her ideas will eventually need to take a national stage, and with it challenges from both her own party’s center and the far right.

Republicans know that there is still a wedge between the centrist and Sanders wings of the DNC, and they are using that wedge to dampen the blue wave.

Thats fine but she should be debating other politicians who have skin in the game. Some shock jock neocon teaparty guy is only going to be looking for sound bites to pummel her with.
 

UglyCasanova

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Thats fine but she should be debating other politicians who have skin in the game. Some shock jock neocon teaparty guy is only going to be looking for sound bites to pummel her with.


I would hope our politicians aren’t afraid to defend their positions no matter who it’s against. I wish the anti climate change politicians had to defend their positions for instance, and not just against other politicians. They answer to and serve the public, why would the only debate that matters be against others in the political class?
 

Ackmed

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Her response was pathetic. She tried to play a victim, when she claimed Repubs were scared of her to debate. She's challenged and tries to equate that to sexual harassment. Which belittles people who have actually been sexually harassed. She is scared, because she knows she would get owned. She has owned herself so many times in the past few week, without any one's help. He is much smarter than her, knows politics much better than her.She is really just clueless, and is the worst thing that the Dems need right now. She's dividing them and its going to hirt them. Which is one reason CNN separated themselves from her recently.
 

Blackjack200

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So if you just started a car insurance company in your state, would you allow people to open new policies with your company after they wreck? Would this be profitable for you to continue to pay out?

The bofa rider protects the insurance company in this case. There’s a ratio test for premiums paid in versus claims paid out.
 

Blackjack200

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Her response was pathetic. She tried to play a victim, when she claimed Repubs were scared of her to debate. She's challenged and tries to equate that to sexual harassment. Which belittles people who have actually been sexually harassed. She is scared, because she knows she would get owned. She has owned herself so many times in the past few week, without any one's help. He is much smarter than her, knows politics much better than her.She is really just clueless, and is the worst thing that the Dems need right now. She's dividing them and its going to hirt them. Which is one reason CNN separated themselves from her recently.

I love that $10,000 is not enough money to get a woman to talk to Ben Shapiro.
 

fskimospy

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I would hope our politicians aren’t afraid to defend their positions no matter who it’s against. I wish the anti climate change politicians had to defend their positions for instance, and not just against other politicians. They answer to and serve the public, why would the only debate that matters be against others in the political class?

You don’t really believe that. Should Obama have gone and debated Trump and Alex Jones about his birth certificate? Should the president debate people who think aliens are anally probing hicks?
 

Jhhnn

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I would hope our politicians aren’t afraid to defend their positions no matter who it’s against. I wish the anti climate change politicians had to defend their positions for instance, and not just against other politicians. They answer to and serve the public, why would the only debate that matters be against others in the political class?

And how does Ben Shapiro gain the standing to debate Ocasio-Cortez? By being the darling of the Alt-right & talking shit in the Media?

Step up & actually run for office, Ben. Do something besides trying to own the Libs.
 

Jaskalas

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She never once said to "abolish college", those are your words and ridiculous. In my opinion, I do partly agree with you that the internet SHOULD make college way more affordable as everything moves online if the colleges don't collude to keep prices high. So maybe that problem will just fix itself. How much will AOCs college for all cost? You provide no numbers. I'll estimate $20T.

I say abolish the hundred million dollar institutions, we don't need them. And no, thanks to Basic Income I have no need or desire to see College funded beyond that. Work on reducing the cost, then let people apply with what they have. Reform, not "free college". Accomplishes the goal, minus the $20T in straw you put up.

As for what she says, that is less important than what she wants. I believe she'll accept whatever realistic reform is offered that solves the problem. Her support for reform is what counts.

"This is large and expensive, at first." = Your Housing for all program. No numbers here? Large and expensive at first = what, 100T to buy everyone without a home a place to live? Loans? wtf. Who.is.paying.for.this? You say that the government will make money off of housing for all? How are they making money off of fed loans? AOCs position is that the housing should be free, yet you're talking about making money off of loans. Loans = private home ownership. Private home ownership is not what AOC wants, that leaves some people "oppressed" (the horror, I know) since they won't have housing. So you're not really addressing what she wants, b/c she says nothing about Fed loans for people to pay mortgages.

Fed steps in and stops your foreclosure. They become the lender. You are not kicked out. Payments resume and go to them. As a minimum monthly payment, they can take a third of UBI. The two programs compliment each other. Especially when, in 18 years, average people stop taking out loans. It is "free" because people do not have to privately earn the income to keep the roof over their head.

It pays for itself the same way every home loan is eventually paid off. Only this one does not need to make a profit, it just has to break even, or soak some costs. The entire goal of the program is to secure housing so people are not kicked out. It's going to cost a hefty sum up front, the same way a bank does when it buys the home and lends it to the homeowner. It's not rocket science to understand that, eventually, every home purchased is eventually paid for. Especially if UBI is helping pay for it.

For UBI - You forgot to add inflationary costs. If everyone is getting $1000/month, do you actually believe that goods will cost the same?

Inflation? You fail to understand the difference between printing money or simply distributing the already existing amount.

We haven't even gotten to government jobs for all.

Given what automation is about to do... that's a laugh. Though there could be some proposal as to what we should do with the masses of unemployed, and not every job will be lost initially. There is opportunity here, but I'd need to see the details before I endorse any plan. The basic disconnect is people still talk about jobs. And yes, today that matters. Tomorrow? Not so much... My eyes are towards that horizon.

The problem is that if we've already raised taxes 25% to give everyone your UBI, where is the money for everything else coming from?

You attributed false plans with false costs in with "everything else".

UBI costs around $4 trillion. Today's federal budget is... $4 trillion. Given that it is the cornerstone, and many other reforms revolve around it - we'd have to start there. We would have to raise taxes to a degree. I think a total 35% rate pays for UBI + everything else that is not the elephant in the room.

We have not talked about Health Care.
 

UglyCasanova

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You don’t really believe that. Should Obama have gone and debated Trump and Alex Jones about his birth certificate? Should the president debate people who think aliens are anally probing hicks?


No, but Obama should certainly have been expected to field questions about the platform he was running on. I don’t think his platform was birth certificates and anal probes.
 

UglyCasanova

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Right, all based on the name.


Incorrect, and you know this. The name is irrelevant, you can call them whatever you like. The core of what it is fundamentally is radically different. But this is a far tangent to the thread though so I’m willing to drop it.
 

woolfe9998

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No, but Obama should certainly have been expected to field questions about the platform he was running on. I don’t think his platform was birth certificates and anal probes.

"Fielding questions" is an entirely different thing than participating in a "debate."

Honestly, if I were a politician, I would debate no one who wasn't my opponent in the actual race. I would, however, "field questions," for example, in a town hall format.

As for debate, why tip off potential opponents by debating ordinary citizens? Even if you do well in the debate, you're showing your cards to future opponents for the real debates.
 

UglyCasanova

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de·bate
dəˈbāt/
noun

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


This shouldn’t be something our officials are afraid of. They are the leaders that we entrust with representing us, we shouldn’t run defense for them. I don’t expect any politician to actually do it because, well, they’re politicians. They want their job and power and money and they’ll lie to you (and themselves) to get it. But debate isn’t a four letter word and is a fantastic way to ferret out the best ideas.
 
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Jhhnn

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"Fielding questions" is an entirely different thing than participating in a "debate."

Honestly, if I were a politician, I would debate no one who wasn't my opponent in the actual race. I would, however, "field questions," for example, in a town hall format.

Total goalpost shift, huh?
 
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If by great, you mean in the dumbest possible way. Even by Libtard standards, it was a dumb response. She is going into the world of politics and her response to debating her political platform is the claim of sexual harassment. If she is elected, I feel sorry for any male constituents that would send her any unsolicited communications.
well you got the speedy stamp of approval, so that tells you all you really need to know.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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de·bate
dəˈbāt/
noun

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


This shouldn’t be something our officials are afraid of. They are the leaders that we entrust with representing us, we shouldn’t run defense for them. I don’t expect any politician to actually do it because, well, they’re politicians. They want their job and power and money and they’ll lie to you (and themselves) to get it. But debate isn’t a four letter word and is a fantastic way to ferret out the best ideas.

Nice try, but "fielding questions" is something entirely different than debate. For purposes of our discussion here, we can skip your misguided attempt at formal definition and just stick with whatever Ben Shapiro is proposing here, because that is the entire issue, whether she should accept his proposal or not.

No one here is arguing a politician shouldn't field questions. For crissakes.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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de·bate
dəˈbāt/
noun

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


This shouldn’t be something our officials are afraid of. They are the leaders that we entrust with representing us, we shouldn’t run defense for them. I don’t expect any politician to actually do it because, well, they’re politicians. They want their job and power and money and they’ll lie to you (and themselves) to get it. But debate isn’t a four letter word and is a fantastic way to ferret out the best ideas.

And now, the obfuscation. I mean, what fear? And what obligates Ocasio-Cortez to give this twit the time of day?
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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Nice try, but "fielding questions" is something entirely different than debate. For purposes of our discussion here, we can skip your misguided attempt at formal definition and just stick with whatever Ben Shapiro is proposing here, because that is the entire issue, whether she should accept his proposal or not.

No one here is arguing a politician shouldn't field questions. For crissakes.


Ok. He asked one.
 

UglyCasanova

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And now, the obfuscation. I mean, what fear? And what obligates Ocasio-Cortez to give this twit the time of day?


Not sure, why did she say Republicans are afraid to debate her and then when one offers decline to do so.
 

UglyCasanova

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She says she is a socialist, he asked a very reasonable question that gets to the core of what she claims to be. I would hope she could answer.
 

Jhhnn

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Not sure, why did she say Republicans are afraid to debate her and then when one offers decline to do so.



there's only one debate invitation she need consider & that's from Anthony Pappas. The rest is just alt-right trolling.

I'm sure she'll debate plenty of Repubs once she's in Congress.

Poor Ben! All he's accomplished is getting her tire tracks on his back.
 

Jhhnn

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She says she is a socialist, he asked a very reasonable question that gets to the core of what she claims to be. I would hope she could answer.

Loaded questions are not reasonable, by definition. They're accusations.
 
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