Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez challenged to a debate for $10,000 or proceeds to charity

[UglyCasanova]

You’re right about that. Trump is a third party candidate that used the Rep platform to get into office. Same if Bernie would have won. 2016 showed that the public is tired of the two parties (one party) and it was time to burn it down.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's been discussed repeatedly, over the course of years at this point. If you choose not to know, it's will full ignorance, and it's on you to find out now. Burst your own bubble

Start with the witch Hunt she was part of.

He's too busy scapegoating Hillary to address the induced insanity that led to Trump's election.

 

[zzyzxroad]

You’re right about that. Trump is a third party candidate that used the Rep platform to get into office. Same if Bernie would have won. 2016 showed that the public is tired of the two parties (one party) and it was time to burn it down.

Ok but Burnie has morals and Trump does not.

 

[Jaskalas]

So name some. Should be incredibly easy. Emails were hacked, but those aren’t lies.

Uranium One.

 

[UglyCasanova]

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ormant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.​

Hmm

 

[fskimospy]

It’s not a diversion, Jordan Peterson is crafting the same framework that Shapiro is. They frequently have discussions with each other just google it. There’s a large swath of America that identifies with this. They are tired of the looney left and the right. Like I said before Shapiro and Peterson and others are shaping the mindset of a third party, people who don’t consider themselves Democrat or Republican. And yeah the libs are terrified of it.

I doubt it. Young people are becoming more liberal, not more conservative. Insofar as the war of ideas for young people goes liberals are winning big time.

So sure, guys like this might be winning over the 4chan crowd but they are losing everyone else because...well...their arguments are bad.

 

[Jhhnn]

You’re right about that. Trump is a third party candidate that used the Rep platform to get into office. Same if Bernie would have won. 2016 showed that the public is tired of the two parties (one party) and it was time to burn it down.

As if burn it down is any way to run a country. The fact that Trump & his Russian pals convinced conservatives that it is speaks to a much deeper problem created by decades of poisonous right wing agitprop. If conservative small town voters are unhappy with the effects that nearly 40 years of trickle down economics have wreaked on their communities they need to quit voting for the party that promulgates it.

Dance around it all you want but the GOP is now the party of Trump. What he saw when he looked out over the GOP base was an irrational cult in search of a leader so he gave them one. It's the story of every witch hunt & lynching in the history of the world.

 

[fskimospy]

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ormant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.​

Hmm

So someone was trying to lobby the Clintons? SHOCKER.

The uranium one conspiracy theory is right up there with birtherism when it comes to levels of batshit craziness. If you spend more than ten seconds thinking about it the whole thing falls apart.

 

[zzyzxroad]

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ormant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.​

Hmm

You a fan of John Solomon?

 

[fskimospy]

You a fan of John Solomon?

Lol at the author of that piece.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Solomon

He has been accused of biased reporting in favor of conservatives, and of repeatedly manufacturing faux scandals.[/quote]

Seems like a credible source to me.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So someone was trying to lobby the Clintons? SHOCKER.

“Someone” is an interesting choice of words. Why not specify that the someone in question is Russia, which is what makes it relevant. Russia does not have our best interests in mind. It doesn’t matter if their vector of influence is a corrupt puppet President or politicians shielded by layer upon layer of lobbyists, middle men and consultants.

 

[fskimospy]

“Someone” is an interesting choice of words. Why not specify that the someone in question is Russia, which is what makes it relevant. Russia does not have our best interests in mind. It doesn’t matter if their vector of influence is a corrupt puppet President or politicians shielded by layer upon layer of lobbyists, middle men and consultants.

Because foreign governments attempting to exert influence is something that happens all the time.

The Uranium One conspiracy theory is based on the idea that the Russian government exerted some sort of influence over the Clintons which caused her to act improperly, thus leading to Russian control of uranium reserves that would not otherwise have happened. That’s the accusation.

There is zero evidence that this occurred and evidence aside the accusation literally makes no logical sense as Clinton didn’t even control whether or not that company could take control of the uranium mines. It is irrational nonsense that for some reason, like birtherism, has still caught on in conservative media despite its irrationality.

 

[Jhhnn]

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ormant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.​

Hmm

And... here... we... go! Into a rehash of all the lies conservatives believe about Hillary. It's the last ditch effort at duh-version, every time.

 

[Jaskalas]

Uranium One.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ormant-makes-clinton-allegations-in-testimony

Hmm

Hmm, it's like you didn't even try. What you did is a diversion. It does not address the actual claim, or the falsehoods behind it.

1) Of the $145 million, almost all of it was donated while President Bush was in office. "Quid pro quo" without the power to deliver?
2) Clinton sat on the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). In short, this wasn't hers to "give". Our entire government approved Russian ownership of the company. The potential to bribe an individual on that committee seems pointless.
3) Some yellow cake was subsequently exported to Canada. For European power stations. The horror!

 

[zzyzxroad]

“Someone” is an interesting choice of words. Why not specify that the someone in question is Russia, which is what makes it relevant. Russia does not have our best interests in mind. It doesn’t matter if their vector of influence is a corrupt puppet President or politicians shielded by layer upon layer of lobbyists, middle men and consultants.

So you believe in the uranium one conspiracy?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I think she would hold her own. But it's not an appropriate "debate." She's a Congresswoman now. Shapiro, as someone said, is a quick-mouthed little twerp.

One more point. We don't have "debates" anymore as either the Founders would've inclined, or serious people of the past. We have World-Wide-Wrestling Smackdowns. That's what the degenerate political audiences these days, at least on the Right, want to see.

Trump will get dragged all over the floor in any debate if it is only controlled with a set of reasonable rules, and his nonsense isn't tolerated. "Foul, Foul, Foul!" You can shoot the umpire, but with no umpire, there's just a melee -- not a game.

 

[zzyzxroad]

I think she would hold her own. But it's not an appropriate "debate." She's a Congresswoman now. Shapiro, as someone said, is a quick-mouthed little twerp.

One more point. We don't have "debates" anymore as either the Founders would've inclined, or serious people of the past. We have World-Wide-Wrestling Smackdowns. That's what the degenerate political audiences these days, at least on the Right, want to see.

Trump will get dragged all over the floor in any debate if it is only controlled with a set of reasonable rules, and his nonsense isn't tolerated. "Foul, Foul, Foul!" You can shoot the umpire, but with no umpire, there's just a melee -- not a game.

I don't know much about her but recently watch an interview she gave and she seems like she could hold her own against him.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So you believe in the uranium one conspiracy?

No, because it is a conspiracy.

 

[UglyCasanova]

She's a Congresswoman now.

O rly?

 

[zzyzxroad]

No, because it is a conspiracy.

Then I don't get the point of your post especially given the rest of the post you were responding to.

 

[zzyzxroad]

O rly?

You giving up on defending the uranium one conspiracy?

 

[Jhhnn]

No, because it is a conspiracy.

Then why did you introduce it to this thread?

 

[Jaskalas]

Then why did you introduce it to this thread?

I'm quite certain I did that, as a direct reply to this:

What lies were spread?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm quite certain I did that, as a direct reply to this:

My mistake.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You giving up on defending the uranium one conspiracy?

Not saying it’s true or not true (or more likely shades of both). The people responsible for investigating it did their best to run cover and bury it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uranium-one-is-a-curious-case-1518564360

Which makes it interesting that the FBI, under its then-chief Robert Mueller, appears to have sat on the case—only getting around quietly to announcing a plea deal with the Russian executive five years later, in 2015. It is not necessarily wrong for the FBI to consider the impact on national-security policy of any criminal case that it intends nevertheless to pursue to conviction. But the fact remains: The FBI handled the Uranium One matter in a manner that avoided making immediate trouble for the policy and political interests of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.​