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poofyhairguy

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Meh...Am I the only one not excited about this phone?

As the last major Android phone flagship line that has MicroSD slots and removable batteries as a tradition, this phone is a leader for me until proven otherwise.
 

dguy6789

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Well I am glad you are one of the many Samsung could feed absolute trash to and is easily satisfied.

CRT -> IPS -> AMOLED. Get with the times lol. Not being able to display black was unacceptable in 2012 let alone now. The people that cling to IPS now remind me of the people who clung to CRT and said LCD would never catch on. It's the exact same thing. AMOLED is superior in far too many metrics for LCD to be a reasonable substitute anymore. IPS is like the budget display tech of 2013.
 

Graze

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CRT -> IPS -> AMOLED. Get with the times lol. Not being able to display black was unacceptable in 2012 let alone now. The people that cling to IPS now remind me of the people who clung to CRT and said LCD would never catch on. It's the exact same thing. AMOLED is superior in far too many metrics for LCD to be a reasonable substitute anymore. IPS is like the budget display tech of 2013.

I don't care if it cures cancer once the ones produced by Samsung has that blue tint they can keep it.
 

dawheat

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Well I am glad you are one of the many Samsung could feed absolute trash to and is easily satisfied.

Jesus, calm down with the hyperbole. You may not like the S3, but to call it trash is just ignorant.
 

ponyo

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I haven't seen a post by Dari in ages since I put him on ignore. Now his brother and alternate account shows up.
 

Dari

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CRT -> IPS -> AMOLED. Get with the times lol. Not being able to display black was unacceptable in 2012 let alone now. The people that cling to IPS now remind me of the people who clung to CRT and said LCD would never catch on. It's the exact same thing. AMOLED is superior in far too many metrics for LCD to be a reasonable substitute anymore. IPS is like the budget display tech of 2013.

Yeah right. Keep believing that lie. SAMOLED is clearly inferior to IPS.

Anyway, as for the GS4, I wonder if the reason why there is little news is because, like last year, all the review sites already have their brand new Galaxy in hand. Then, as soon as Samsung started its ridiculous event at noon, all the sites posted their reviews at 12:01PM. Just like last year there was a lot of anticipation followed by a quick deflation as people saw that Samsung and the review sites were in cahoots all along. IMHO, it was a smart move by Samsung because it forced the review sites into a self-censorship because Samsung KNEW they had the GS3 and they KNEW Samsung KNEW they had it so there was very little news unless a review site wanted to be locked out of the next Samsung announcement. It seems to be happening again where there is very little news. This is obviously very different from an Apple anticipated announcement where there are rumors and leaks reported on an hourly basis. But, since GS3, we get very little news. I think if anyone wants to see the GS4 before it is announced on Thursday they should just go to The Verge or Anandtech or Engadget's office. It's there. Guaranteed.
 
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Dari

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I haven't seen a post by Dari in ages since I put him on ignore. Now his brother and alternate account shows up.

You think I would start a new account just so you can read my opinion? Me thinks you think too highly of yourself.
 

Graze

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Jesus, calm down with the hyperbole. You may not like the S3, but to call it trash is just ignorant.

I guess I am not the biggest fan of that company and the S3 didn't offer anything more than the HTC One X did at its launch.
Samsung just does more advertising and a much bigger budget to push their phones.
I met someone a few nights ago and we exchanged numbers, when I pulled out my phone she asked what it was, I said it was a Google Nexus 4 and tried to explain what it. She had a Galaxy S3 and didn't know Android was the OS.
I simply could not believe it!!


I haven't seen a post by Dari in ages since I put him on ignore. Now his brother and alternate account shows up.

Well put me on your ignore list, I could give a Sh**t!
 
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grkM3

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Yeah right. Keep believing that lie. SAMOLED is clearly inferior to IPS.

Anyway, as for the GS4, I wonder if the reason why there is little news is because, like last year, all the review sites already have their brand new Galaxy in hand. Then, as soon as Samsung started its ridiculous event at noon, all the sites posted their reviews at 12:01PM. Just like last year there was a lot of anticipation followed by a quick deflation as people saw that Samsung and the review sites were in cahoots all along. IMHO, it was a smart move by Samsung because it forced the review sites into a self-censorship because Samsung KNEW they had the GS3 and they KNEW Samsung KNEW they had it so there was very little news unless a review site wanted to be locked out of the next Samsung announcement. It seems to be happening again where there is very little news. This is obviously very different from an Apple anticipated announcement where there are rumors and leaks reported on an hourly basis. But, since GS3, we get very little news. I think if anyone wants to see the GS4 before it is announced on Thursday they should just go to The Verge or Anandtech or Engadget's office. It's there. Guaranteed.

you ever hear of a nda? every major release does this.Intel,AMD,Nvidia all send out samples to review sites and will get sued if they leak out the specs and did you ever think for a second apple leaked out the iphone 5 specs early to slow sales of the gs3?

do you honestly think a company the size of apple cant keep there specs safe when Samsung can even with sending out 1000s of review models

I will bet you that if the gs4 is a smash and is selling like mad apple will leak out a bigger iphone to stop people leaving if the bigger s4s screen is a hit.
 

jpeyton

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I'll throw my hat into the ring. Despite the naysayers, dguy is right: OLED is the display technology of the future.

While OLED is steadily advancing towards better color reproduction (thus addressing the primary complaint of OLED screens), IPS will never be able to address it's one major flaw: it requires a backlight.

Transmissive displays are old tech. And as we unarguably march towards thinner displays, more power efficient displays, and maleable/bendable displays, OLED will become the defacto standard.

You can't envision it now, simply because we're used to carrying around 2013-sized smartphones; the advantages of an OLED screen aren't maximized right now with current phone designs.

So technically Dari is only half-wrong. Current Samsung's OLED smartphone screens aren't superior on an overall scale to certain competing IPS displays, but they are approaching parity very quickly, and the future of smartphone design will force all manufacturers to abandon IPS screens.
 
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Dari

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you ever hear of a nda? every major release does this.Intel,AMD,Nvidia all send out samples to review sites and will get sued if they leak out the specs and did you ever think for a second apple leaked out the iphone 5 specs early to slow sales of the gs3?

do you honestly think a company the size of apple cant keep there specs safe when Samsung can even with sending out 1000s of review models

I will bet you that if the gs4 is a smash and is selling like mad apple will leak out a bigger iphone to stop people leaving if the bigger s4s screen is a hit.

No one is forced to accept the product and, therefore, can keep reporting on rumors and leaks. But, if they accept it then they have to accept the NDA that comes along with it and, as I said, it makes them self-censor any leaks or rumor out there. Of course, they may let a big outlet like the NY Times report on the eye-scrolling "leak". This is no different from Apple using the Wall Street Journal to report leaks and rumors. It's all synthetic and uninteresting. It also deprives the review sites of increase viewership since they have to self-censor for a month or weeks, only to report their review at exactly the same time when everyone else is. IMHO, it's a stupid way to run a business.
 

grkM3

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No one is forced to accept the product and, therefore, can keep reporting on rumors and leaks. But, if they accept it then they have to accept the NDA that comes along with it and, as I said, it makes them self-censor any leaks or rumor out there. Of course, they may let a big outlet like the NY Times report on the eye-scrolling "leak". This is no different from Apple using the Wall Street Journal to report leaks and rumors. It's all synthetic and uninteresting. It also deprives the review sites of increase viewership since they have to self-censor for a month or weeks, only to report their review at exactly the same time when everyone else is. IMHO, it's a stupid way to run a business.

its a hard launch my friend and its not a stupid way as Samsung is worth almost as much as google now so they are doing something right.there market cap was 160 billion last april right before the gs3 launched and now is worth almost 230 billion just from the galaxy s3 and note 2 sales alone

they are posting 25 billion dollar net profits each quarter while apple lost 230 billion since the launch of the iphone 5

and you sign the nda before you get the phone

I just read online that Samsung is blowing 5 billion dollars just in marketing pushing the gs4 this year,did you see how much air time they had on the super bowl? that was like a million a second and that 5 billion is worth more than 3 amd/atis put together and they are blowing that on just marketing.I think Samsung knows what there doing!

the iphone 5 was fully leaked with pictures of exactly what the phone looks like and not based on rumors or leaks
 
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badb0y

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its a hard launch my friend and its not a stupid way as Samsung is worth almost as much as google now so they are doing something right.there market cap was 160 billion last april right before the gs3 launched and now is worth almost 230 billion just from the galaxy s3 and note 2 sales alone

they are posting 25 billion dollar net profits each quarter while apple lost 230 billion since the launch of the iphone 5

and you sign the nda before you get the phone

Lolwut?
 

Dari

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Oct 25, 2002
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I'll throw my hat into the ring. Despite the naysayers, dguy is right: OLED is the display technology of the future.

While OLED is steadily advancing towards better color reproduction (thus addressing the primary complaint of OLED screens), IPS will never be able to address it's one major flaw: it requires a backlight.

Transmissive displays are old tech. And as we unarguably march towards thinner displays, more power efficient displays, and maleable/bendable displays, OLED will become the defacto standard.

You can't envision it now, simply because we're used to carrying around 2013-sized smartphones; the advantages of an OLED screen aren't maximized right now with current phone designs.

So technically Dari is only half-wrong. Current Samsung's OLED smartphone screens aren't superior on an overall scale to certain competing IPS displays, but they are approaching parity very quickly, and the future of smartphone design will force all manufacturers to abandon IPS screens.

I think you're wrong. If what you say is true then all major manufacturers would be hard at work on OLED displays. But that is simply not the case. Samsung bought its way into OLED and they are still having problems with the technology.. The technology has its advantages but it also has major weaknesses, namely no white and displays that are not very bright. Also, it does not last long. LCDs may be backlit but they have a lot of leg in them. If you don't believe me, then you have to ask yourself why Samsung invested in Sharp, a leader in small screen devices and one that is advancing LCDs with new tech like IGZO.
 

Dari

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its a hard launch my friend and its not a stupid way as Samsung is worth almost as much as google now so they are doing something right.there market cap was 160 billion last april right before the gs3 launched and now is worth almost 230 billion just from the galaxy s3 and note 2 sales alone

they are posting 25 billion dollar net profits each quarter while apple lost 230 billion since the launch of the iphone 5

and you sign the nda before you get the phone

I just read online that Samsung is blowing 5 billion dollars just in marketing pushing the gs4 this year,did you see how much air time they had on the super bowl? that was like a million a second and that 5 billion is worth more than 3 amd/atis put together and they are blowing that on just marketing.I think Samsung knows what there doing!

I said it was smart of Samsung and stupid of the review sites...

Also, I have no idea where you're getting your numbers from but Samsung does not make $25b in profit per quarter. Not even Apple makes that much per quarter.
 

grkM3

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I said it was smart of Samsung and stupid of the review sites...

Also, I have no idea where you're getting your numbers from but Samsung does not make $25b in profit per quarter. Not even Apple makes that much per quarter.


sorry I ment total net profit from the gs3s launch to now and was making over 20 billing in sales per quarter.

Either way there market cap went from 160B to almost 230B in less then a year and will prolly break 300B with the gs4 and note 3 this year

I am in the middle of setting up an account on the London stock exchange to put about 10k into Samsung as I know they will kill this year with the gs4 and note 3
 
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Dari

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sorry I ment total net profit from the gs3s launch to now and was making over 20 billing in sales per quarter.

Either way there market cap went from 160B to almost 230B in less then a year and will prolly break 300B with the gs4 and note 3 this year

I seriously doubt it. In 2007 their market value was $173B. Then it went down. Then it went up. You think if Apple's market value can plummet Samsung's cannot? Especially with the smartphone market become more and more saturated? Look around you, who does not have a smartphone? You don't think, with Samsung being #1, there is only one place to go? They will not reach $300B considering they are a conglomerate (unlike Apple) and they are in a lot of industries that are 1) capital-intensive and 2) are being chased by ruthless Chinese entrepreneurs.

EDIT: Invest your money wisely. Conglomerates don't have a good track record when it comes to market value. Also, the company is extremely large, which makes it susceptible to political-economic movements.
 
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jpeyton

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I think you're wrong.
Sharp is the only company fully invested in transmissive screens. At CES there were new OLED displays from LG, Sony and Samsung (all the big players). IGZO will allow LCDs to be thinner, more power efficient, etc., thus extending its life. But at some point, you won't be able to sandwich and LCD and its backlight in a thinner package.

On the other hand, we already have working examples of paper-thin OLED displays that are completely bendable.

OLED is the future. Samsung is wise for investing so heavily it in early on, and they'll be best equipped to capitalize on the shift in display technology a several years down the road.

Anyone who saw an OLED 2k/4k set at CES said viewing it was a revelation compared to any LED/LCD on the market.
 

grkM3

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I seriously doubt it. In 2007 their market value was $173B. Then it went down. Then it went up. You think if Apple's market value can plummet Samsung's cannot? Especially with the smartphone market become more and more saturated? Look around you, who does not have a smartphone? You don't think, with Samsung being #1, there is only one place to go? They will not reach $300B considering they are a conglomerate (unlike Apple) and they are in a lot of industries that are 1) capital-intensive and 2) are being chased by ruthless Chinese entrepreneurs.

in 2007 Samsung was not making smart phones and did not have the number 1 android sell phone and android has 73% world market share.Iv read on many sites that Samsung is building 100 million gs4s and that is there target for this year.

It has plenty of room to go up as for the first time ios users are really moving over to android and the phone that is doing that is the gs3 and note 2.There is a lot of ios users over at macroums really waiting to finally leave apple for the gs4 and Ill do a friendly bet that there market cap will soar,amybe not to 300 billion this year but it will def grow with the hype the gs4 has,I mean they blew 5 billion just in marketing for it so expect to see a gs4 add on tv every 5 min

don't forget that samung has its own fabs and is building the apple a6 soc and making money off that and back in 07 Samsung did not have any of that,they are by far the best mobile fab right now and are about to be the first company to sell the first true arm15 cores using the full specs and not a hybrid a9/15 setup.

they could sell there exynos 5 soc to everyone and sit back and make money also so I have faith in Samsung this year
 
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Dari

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in 2007 Samsung was not making smart phones and did not have the number 1 android sell phone and android has 73% world market share.Iv read on many sites that Samsung is building 100 million gs4s and that is there target for this year.

It has plenty of room to go up as for the first time ios users are really moving over to android and the phone that is doing that is the gs3 and note 2.There is a lot of ios users over at macroums really waiting to finally leave apple for the gs4 and Ill do a friendly bet that there market cap will soar,amybe not to 300 billion this year but it will def grow with the hype the gs4 has,I mean they blew 5 billion just in marketing for it so expect to see a gs4 add on tv every 5 min

don't forget that samung has its own fabs and is building the apple a6 soc and making money off that and back in 07 Samsung did not have any of that,they are by far the best mobile fab right now and are about to be the first company to sell the first true arm15 cores using the full specs and not a hybrid a9/15 setup.

they could sell there exynos 5 soc to everyone and sit back and make money also so I have faith in Samsung this year

I think you just proved my point with the many examples you just gave as to why they're not a good investment. I'll let you figure it out. But, do as you wish.
 

Dari

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Sharp is the only company fully invested in transmissive screens. At CES there were new OLED displays from LG, Sony and Samsung (all the big players). IGZO will allow LCDs to be thinner, more power efficient, etc., thus extending its life. But at some point, you won't be able to sandwich and LCD and its backlight in a thinner package.

On the other hand, we already have working examples of paper-thin OLED displays that are completely bendable.

OLED is the future. Samsung is wise for investing so heavily it in early on, and they'll be best equipped to capitalize on the shift in display technology a several years down the road.

Anyone who saw an OLED 2k/4k set at CES said viewing it was a revelation compared to any LED/LCD on the market.

You are confusing OLED for small screens and OLED for larger screens. The tech behind the two are different. You cannot just scale up, lol. If you could, Samsung would be the leader in OLED televisions, not LG. And they would be producing millions and they would have shipped last year, before LG and they would have the superior OLED tv (they don't).
 
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grkM3

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I think you just proved my point with the many examples you just gave as to why they're not a good investment. I'll let you figure it out. But, do as you wish.


Your telling me that a company about to release one of the most anticipated android phones using a next gen arm 15 soc and is expected to sell 100 million phones and a company that has a p/e price to earnings ratio of 9.8 is a bad buy?

investing in BBRY is a bad buy and even apple right now is a hold stock
 
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