All about the money

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Linflas
Just look at some of the attitudes displayed just in this thread and ask yourself if she ever had a scintilla of a chance at justice.

We aren't on the jury, so thats not even relevant. Regardless, we have formed our opinions based on what has been presented to us in a similar way to that of a jury. To me, this thing just doesn't add up.

Kobe, as a successful rich basketball player is a fvcking tail magnet...if this girl weren't willing, there would be another one right around the corner. On the other hand, he has EVERYTHING to lose by doing something stupid like raping a girl...his wife, his career because if he was sent to jail in his prime he'd lose a lot of that, his image of course. It just doesn't make sense.

The girl on the other hand, has a plausible motive for false accusations...money. And false accusations are more common than you might think. You don't hear about those...you see "so and so is on trail for rape" and a couple months later maybe a news brief on the back page of the paper saying he was found innocent....if the guy even gets that. Its a sad state of affairs when women do this, because it undermines the prosecution in tons of other cases where the woman really was raped. Not trying to defend rapists here...but just because you're accused of something doesn't mean you did it.

So to start with, the situation just doesn't add up...but that isn't everything...crime doesn't always make sense. But then we have the girl abandoning the criminal suit for the more lucratic civil suit...which just comes off as a pure money grab to me and really she's showing her hand with this. The civil suit is easier to win and is almost garenteed a cash payout...Kobe will most likely just throw money at the problem and settle out of court to get the sh|t over with. Its a waste of his time to deal with it. Doesn't reflect well on the girl.

Do you think a cross section of the potential jury pool is any different? Only 2 people know for certain what happened in that room that night. Everything anyone posting here is basing their conjecture and conclusions on has come from all the sensationalist reporting done since the allegations were first made public.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too bad the blame is always put on the woman

To bad the accused is guilty until proven innocent.

he'll get off. how do you figure he is guilty right now?
his lawyers have to prove his innocence
her lawyers have to prove his guilt

isn't that the way it is supposed to go?

Boy you really are a tool.

You really do NOT understand how the the Justice system is supposed to work? you are not supposed to PROVE your innocence the prosecutor is supposed to PROVE your gilt.

Fvuck go take a basic 8th grade goverment class for gods sake before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

that sir, was totally uncalled for.

Actually, he's right. It is a basic part of our justice system. The burden of proof is on the prosecution.

thank you. i do appreciate the clarification.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too bad the blame is always put on the woman

To bad the accused is guilty until proven innocent.

he'll get off. how do you figure he is guilty right now?
his lawyers have to prove his innocence
her lawyers have to prove his guilt

isn't that the way it is supposed to go?

Everyone else has already answered this post thoroughly. His lawyers have to prove nothing. But it sounds like you already have it all figured out.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: yllus
Can someone explain to a layman why you are allowed to sue both criminally and civilly on the same case in the current legal system? I can't see any possible advantages to this.

I'd like to know this as well.

criminal case is just about punishing the person that commited the crime. the civil case allows the victim to get compensation from the perpetrator.

criminal case is not by the victim but by the state. civil case is by the victim.

 

[agnitrate]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Perhaps you'd like to prove them wrong by stating exactly how "in more ways than one" the OJ Simpson trial has any relevance on this case whatsoever.

-silver

 

Aw how cute, f a star and then sue them for money.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: fivespeed5

Originally posted by: pyonir
might as well. I doubt he'll get convicted of anything. Might as well take the 51% rule in civil court (or is it 50%?) and get the money out of it. I hope she wins some.

I hope she doesn't win any. It just means that if you have sex with someone, claim rape, and sue you'll get some type of money. Bad precedence

Wouldn't that make her an extremely high-class hooker?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

that sir, was totally uncalled for.

You are right. I should not have pointed out that you don't have an 8th grade education.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Perhaps you'd like to prove them wrong by stating exactly how "in more ways than one" the OJ Simpson trial has any relevance on this case whatsoever.

-silver

nah, i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole for stating my opinion.
if you want my reply to why i think there are similarities - PM me.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Linflas
Just look at some of the attitudes displayed just in this thread and ask yourself if she ever had a scintilla of a chance at justice.

We aren't on the jury, so thats not even relevant. Regardless, we have formed our opinions based on what has been presented to us in a similar way to that of a jury. To me, this thing just doesn't add up.

Kobe, as a successful rich basketball player is a fvcking tail magnet...if this girl weren't willing, there would be another one right around the corner. On the other hand, he has EVERYTHING to lose by doing something stupid like raping a girl...his wife, his career because if he was sent to jail in his prime he'd lose a lot of that, his image of course. It just doesn't make sense.

The girl on the other hand, has a plausible motive for false accusations...money. And false accusations are more common than you might think. You don't hear about those...you see "so and so is on trail for rape" and a couple months later maybe a news brief on the back page of the paper saying he was found innocent....if the guy even gets that. Its a sad state of affairs when women do this, because it undermines the prosecution in tons of other cases where the woman really was raped. Not trying to defend rapists here...but just because you're accused of something doesn't mean you did it.

So to start with, the situation just doesn't add up...but that isn't everything...crime doesn't always make sense. But then we have the girl abandoning the criminal suit for the more lucratic civil suit...which just comes off as a pure money grab to me and really she's showing her hand with this. The civil suit is easier to win and is almost garenteed a cash payout...Kobe will most likely just throw money at the problem and settle out of court to get the sh|t over with. Its a waste of his time to deal with it. Doesn't reflect well on the girl.

Do you think a cross section of the potential jury pool is any different? Only 2 people know for certain what happened in that room that night. Everything anyone posting here is basing their conjecture and conclusions on has come from all the sensationalist reporting done since the allegations were first made public.

So...what exactly is the point you are argueing? Are you saying that we here on anandtech are the same as the jury members and are opinions or feelings on the matter should carry as much weight as the jury members? Like it or not, cases like these are decided by juries...I don't think you want to place us on the same level as the jury because then you're going to disprove the bolded statement you made.

I don't think we are the same as jury members and as such any hot headed things we've said about the alleged victim are not detrimental to their case since we have no say on its outcome. And as such, we should be free to run our mouths off about it as much as we want.

Every person brings baggage and bias to their jury seat, some more than others.

Whats your point?

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Perhaps you'd like to prove them wrong by stating exactly how "in more ways than one" the OJ Simpson trial has any relevance on this case whatsoever.

-silver

nah, i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole for stating my opinion.
if you want my reply to why i think there are similarities - PM me.

"i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole"
ROTFLMAO

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Didn't you just call ohtwell a dumbass like 10 seconds ago?

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Perhaps you'd like to prove them wrong by stating exactly how "in more ways than one" the OJ Simpson trial has any relevance on this case whatsoever.

-silver

nah, i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole for stating my opinion.
if you want my reply to why i think there are similarities - PM me.

Go figure. mosh taps out yet again.

 

mosquerade: are you arguing these points because you're a woman?

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: agnitrate

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ohtwell

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: moshquerade
debate intelligently or don't debate at all.

Try taking your own advice instead of jumping to "flamebait" or responses like those posted above. You have yet to make any real point and I doubt you will.

minendo, when someone calls me a name it is flamebait. they are flaming me so i will take the bait and give it back.

I don't get it. You don't like to be called names, but you jump at the opportunity to call others names.


: ) Amanda

i was defending why calling someone a name is flamebait

Perhaps you'd like to prove them wrong by stating exactly how "in more ways than one" the OJ Simpson trial has any relevance on this case whatsoever.

-silver

nah, i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole for stating my opinion.
if you want my reply to why i think there are similarities - PM me.

Go figure. mosh taps out yet again.

No, it's more of the misogynist attitude around here. Most likely attributed to geeks not being able to acquire a womans company therefore fostering a hatred towards the same.

 

[Ynog]

Just curious, how many people believe that Mike Tyson raped Desiree Washington.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: SampSon
mosquerade: are you arguing these points because you're a woman?

Why yes, yes she is.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: SoylentGreen

No, it's more of the misogynist attitude around here. Most likely attributed to geeks not being able to acquire a womans company therefore fostering a hatred towards the same.

bs, Mosh asked for it. she dealt out just as much as she took, never supported her initial statement and then begged out. :roll:

 

[moshquerade]

eh, you can continue the pigpile on mosh.
feel free - gotta pass the time at work somehow.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Ynog
Just curious, how many people believe that Mike Tyson raped Desiree Washington.

well considering he was found guilty (though hear he had a dumba$$ for a lawyer) i guess yeah.

But i really do not know the facts in the case. so i can't say i don't believe he did it.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
nah, i'm tired of being ripped a new a$$hole for stating my opinion.

What opinion? You mean that blanket statement about women always being blamed for all crimes with nothing to back it up but some weak unsubstantiated tie in with the OJ Simpson trail?

That was bullsh|t and you got called on it.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
too bad the blame is always put on the woman, after all Nicole Simpson asked to be murdered :roll:

give me a break :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Ynog
Just curious, how many people believe that Mike Tyson raped Desiree Washington.

I definately think he did.

 

Originally posted by: moshquerade
eh, you can continue the pigpile on mosh.
feel free - gotta pass the time at work somehow.

That usually happens when you open your mouth and silly stuff comes out.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
eh, you can continue the pigpile on mosh.
feel free - gotta pass the time at work somehow.

how ironic, Mosh is "playing" the victim in a thread about a woman that was supposedly "raped".

oh btw, mosh, to help you out a bit, those quotes for the word raped above are accurate and true UNTIL KOBE IS PROVEN GUILTY.

that's what innocent until proven guitly means.