All of Duke's Lacrosse Team Passes DNA Test

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Ulfwald
While they are not out of the woods, this new evidence, or lack of it for the prosecution, puts a serious hole in the strippers story.

I bet she was looking for a payoff from Duke.

Certainly a possibility. If that's the case, I'd like to see her prosecuted.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Amplifier

Her story of rape implied either latex, semen, something would be found but there was none. So why would there be injuries to her vagina? Because she's a prostitute, yes most escorts/strippers have sex for money. Furthermore she won't even press charges!

If you're a lawyer I understand your need to look at every angle. But this case is CLOSED.

As I said, we shall see. That being said, there are non-latex condoms, and rape kits (the tests given to rape complainants) often come up negative even where there is a confession. The injuries suffered by a rape victim, to the extent they exist (many rape victims show none) are not suffered in consensual intercourse. Moreover, you're presuming this woman is a prostitute with no evidence to support your case.

This is the kind of case that brings out the worst in people, including the posters here. You're demonizing this woman without all the facts. I find it pathetic.

just like she demonized the whole team falsely. that is what is pathetic.

i can see you wanting to go to bat for her, but it's painfully obvious that this woman was not raped. in fact it has been determined she hadn't had sex that night and up to two days prior to that night. no DNA evidence of any kind was found on her anywhere.

also, none of her DNA was found in the bathroom where she said the rape took place.

her injuries will be shown to have occurred prior to her entering the house. they have evidence to back that up also.

i know any good lawyer wants to still see a case here. i would like a good lawyer to tell me what this woman should be charged with for falsely reporting an incident.

 

[thelanx]

WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

i know any good lawyer wants to still see a case here. i would like a good lawyer to tell me what this woman should be charged with for falsely reporting an incident.

I believe it would be N.C. Stat. 14-225 - False reports to law enforcement agencies or officers. It's a misdemeanor. The players could presumably sue her civilly for defamation, but no attorney will want the case on a contingency, since the damages are speculative and she is more than likely judgment-proof.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

How would it have gotten there? A rape would not likely cause her to bleed significantly.

 

[thelanx]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

That's not my point. You might want to know that, and I do too. The fact I'm pointing out is that the media is sensationalizing both sides of the issue. The boys aren't guilty yet given what the media has released (and are probably innocent given the information we do know), but it isn't true that there was no DNA on the girl. There was no DNA from the athletes on the girl. Just want people to get the facts straight and not randomly spew FUD in a media fueled frenzy. She probably accused the wrong people, but please don't say there was absolutely no DNA, because there is(Hers at the very least).

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

Maybe she was raped by Duke Lacrosse team impersonators :roll:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

How would it have gotten there? A rape would not likely cause her to bleed significantly.

DNA from two of the players was found in the bathroom. it was consistent with the two players who normally share that bathroom. so you are saying this DNA could only have come from blood?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

That's not my point. You might want to know that, and I do too. The fact I'm pointing out is that the media is sensationalizing both sides of the issue. The boys aren't guilty yet given what the media has released (and are probably innocent given the information we do know), but it isn't true that there was no DNA on the girl. There was no DNA from the athletes on the girl. Just want people to get the facts straight and not randomly spew FUD in a media fueled frenzy. She probably accused the wrong people, but please don't say there was absolutely no DNA, because there is(Hers at the very least).

ferchrissakes, we all know her own friggin DNA is on her.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

DNA from two of the players was found in the bathroom. it was consistent with the two players who normally share that bathroom. so you are saying this DNA could only have come from blood?

They live there. It was more than likely from hair residue (men shed like cats in springtime), or from skin or blood residue from a razor. What does this have to do with the rape victim (who presumably didn't shave or brush her hair there)?

 

[thelanx]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

That's not my point. You might want to know that, and I do too. The fact I'm pointing out is that the media is sensationalizing both sides of the issue. The boys aren't guilty yet given what the media has released (and are probably innocent given the information we do know), but it isn't true that there was no DNA on the girl. There was no DNA from the athletes on the girl. Just want people to get the facts straight and not randomly spew FUD in a media fueled frenzy. She probably accused the wrong people, but please don't say there was absolutely no DNA, because there is(Hers at the very least).

ferchrissakes, we all know her own friggin DNA is on her.

I'm saying there could be other people's DNA, just not the team's. Unless they sequence every piece of DNA found and match it with her, there could be someone else who did commit the rape.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

So you're saying she wasn't even at the party? Because chances are, she probably changed or used the bathroom at some point... if she was there.

 

[thelanx]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

DNA from two of the players was found in the bathroom. it was consistent with the two players who normally share that bathroom. so you are saying this DNA could only have come from blood?

They live there. It was more than likely from hair residue (men shed like cats in springtime), or from skin or blood residue from a razor. What does this have to do with the rape victim (who presumably didn't shave or brush her hair there)?

That's true, although given her statements and her broken nails in the bathroom, it would have been likely that some hair or skin residue was around. In fact, even if no rape occured, it is likely some DNA is around. Which begs the question, did the forensics team do a good job collecting DNA?

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: SampSon
A black stripper making false accusations and playing the race card, who woulda thought? :roll:
Worthless whore scum, they should bring her to court.

Yeah those fvcking black people, when will they ever learn?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

DNA from two of the players was found in the bathroom. it was consistent with the two players who normally share that bathroom. so you are saying this DNA could only have come from blood?

They live there. It was more than likely from hair residue (men shed like cats in springtime), or from skin or blood residue from a razor. What does this have to do with the rape victim (who presumably didn't shave or brush her hair there)?

Men also masturbate in the bathroom.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

DNA from two of the players was found in the bathroom. it was consistent with the two players who normally share that bathroom. so you are saying this DNA could only have come from blood?

They live there. It was more than likely from hair residue (men shed like cats in springtime), or from skin or blood residue from a razor. What does this have to do with the rape victim (who presumably didn't shave or brush her hair there)?

what i was trying to say is there are other ways her DNA would've shown up besides blood. her exposed skin and therefore skin cells would have had contact with some surface, and also we normally shed up to 100 hairs per day. it's quite probably if she were raped that her DNA would be in there somewhere.

look, i know you are a lawyer, and it's your job to put doubt out there, but all signs really do point to this woman fabricating a story. she's just another Tawana Brawley.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

So you're saying she wasn't even at the party? Because chances are, she probably changed or used the bathroom at some point... if she was there.

she was there for 30 minutes. she had shown up intoxicated or in some way impaired, and they threw her out.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

That's not my point. You might want to know that, and I do too. The fact I'm pointing out is that the media is sensationalizing both sides of the issue. The boys aren't guilty yet given what the media has released (and are probably innocent given the information we do know), but it isn't true that there was no DNA on the girl. There was no DNA from the athletes on the girl. Just want people to get the facts straight and not randomly spew FUD in a media fueled frenzy. She probably accused the wrong people, but please don't say there was absolutely no DNA, because there is(Hers at the very least).

ferchrissakes, we all know her own friggin DNA is on her.

I'm saying there could be other people's DNA, just not the team's. Unless they sequence every piece of DNA found and match it with her, there could be someone else who did commit the rape.

i will repeat: no other DNA was found on her.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

So you're saying she wasn't even at the party? Because chances are, she probably changed or used the bathroom at some point... if she was there.

she was there for 30 minutes. she had shown up intoxicated or in some way impaired, and they threw her out.

Wow, that's the first i heard of this. Wasn't there another stripper that was with her? And they tried to leave first, but were convinced to come back?

You've got to be really good coworkers/friends to be willing to take it this far.

 

[Babbles]

Sucks that this filthy lying skank managed to ruin a lot of people's lives.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

what i was trying to say is there are other ways her DNA would've shown up besides blood. her exposed skin and therefore skin cells would have had contact with some surface, and also we normally shed up to 100 hairs per day. it's quite probably if she were raped that her DNA would be in there somewhere.

look, i know you are a lawyer, and it's your job to put doubt out there, but all signs really do point to this woman fabricating a story. she's just another Tawana Brawley.

I think you've been watching too much CSI. Not every crime lab is proficient enough to find individual skin cells, and this is not a big-city lab.

I see this kind of case as a kind of Rorshach test - we read into it our own predispositions about humanity. Many posters here see it as exonerating their negative views on women and minorities. Not surprisingly, as a woman, you are immediately skeptical of the accuser's motives (ironically, as defense attorneys quickly learn, women are the most defense-friendly jurors in rape cases).

I am just picking at the seams because I'm interested in the truth. I have no idea if a crime was committed here or not, but I sure as hell don't take a defense attorney's word as gospel in this situation.

 

[thelanx]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: thelanx
WTF are people going on about. People randomly spewing no dna, no dna, case closed. Stop for a moment and think about this, they swabbed the athletes' cheeks for dna. You people claiming there was no dna or latex residue, do you not think her epithelial cells came off when they swabbed her vagina? Of course there is dna, at the very least her dna, there just wasn't a match to any of the athletes, so it is still possible she was raped. One of the lawyer's statements might have confused you people, but unless he gets more specific, I'm inclined to think he's spreading sensationalist crap.

explain why her DNA was *not* found in the bathroom where the "rape" took place.

That's not my point. You might want to know that, and I do too. The fact I'm pointing out is that the media is sensationalizing both sides of the issue. The boys aren't guilty yet given what the media has released (and are probably innocent given the information we do know), but it isn't true that there was no DNA on the girl. There was no DNA from the athletes on the girl. Just want people to get the facts straight and not randomly spew FUD in a media fueled frenzy. She probably accused the wrong people, but please don't say there was absolutely no DNA, because there is(Hers at the very least).

ferchrissakes, we all know her own friggin DNA is on her.

I'm saying there could be other people's DNA, just not the team's. Unless they sequence every piece of DNA found and match it with her, there could be someone else who did commit the rape.

i will repeat: no other DNA was found on her.

I'm questioning that claim, unless they provide details that they matched every piece of DNA found and matched it conclusively to her. Imagine if her friend used her cell phone, hair brush or makeup, there'd be dna left over.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

what i was trying to say is there are other ways her DNA would've shown up besides blood. her exposed skin and therefore skin cells would have had contact with some surface, and also we normally shed up to 100 hairs per day. it's quite probably if she were raped that her DNA would be in there somewhere.

look, i know you are a lawyer, and it's your job to put doubt out there, but all signs really do point to this woman fabricating a story. she's just another Tawana Brawley.

I think you've been watching too much CSI. Not every crime lab is proficient enough to find individual skin cells, and this is not a big-city lab.

I see this kind of case as a kind of Rorshach test - we read into it our own predispositions about humanity. Many posters here see it as exonerating their negative views on women and minorities. Not surprisingly, as a woman, you are immediately skeptical of the accuser's motives (ironically, as defense attorneys quickly learn, women are the most defense-friendly jurors in rape cases).

I am just picking at the seams because I'm interested in the truth. I have no idea if a crime was committed here or not, but I sure as hell don't take a defense attorney's word as gospel in this situation.

Do you think the response would be different if this was a white, brown or yellow stripper?

I think its mostly guys getting mad at bias in the court system against men. The only racist comment I heard was from Sampson.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: moshquerade

what i was trying to say is there are other ways her DNA would've shown up besides blood. her exposed skin and therefore skin cells would have had contact with some surface, and also we normally shed up to 100 hairs per day. it's quite probably if she were raped that her DNA would be in there somewhere.

look, i know you are a lawyer, and it's your job to put doubt out there, but all signs really do point to this woman fabricating a story. she's just another Tawana Brawley.

Not surprisingly, as a woman, you are immediately skeptical of the accuser's motives (ironically, as defense attorneys quickly learn, women are the most defense-friendly jurors in rape cases).

I've heard of that! They're just more critical of other women (ie they shouldn't have wore that, they put themselves in that position, etc). I also heard (psych prof told me these) that they almost never choose people with education... you won't find doctors, people with MBAs or PhDs either. They think too critically and aren't as easily swayed by simple attorney manipulations.