All of Duke's Lacrosse Team Passes DNA Test

[MrDingleDangle]

wow if it comes out that its true that one or both of these players never even attended the party then this DA may have just ended his career

 

[Amplifier]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
wow if it comes out that its true that one or both of these players never even attended the party then this DA may have just ended his career

Doubtful. This is pandering to the black vote at it's worst.

 

[NFS4]

Looks like at least one of the guys accused is innocent as hell. Bank card records, taxi ride, swiping his card at his dorm. All timestamped

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: TGregg

Originally posted by: DonVito
Yow! That is a lot of bail. Their families must have either posted it or paid a bail bondsman $40K, non-refundable, to post it for them. Their lawyers will cost tens of thousands more. This is going to be one expensive dorm party whether they're convicted or not.

And it sounds like at least one of the accused may not even have been there. That'd really suck to have to post bail and spring for a lawyer for something that happened at a party that you didn't even freaken attend.

Yup, pretty much. Hopefully soon the truth will come out and those guys (the innocent ones if anything happened) can get on with their lives.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: TGregg

Originally posted by: DonVito
Yow! That is a lot of bail. Their families must have either posted it or paid a bail bondsman $40K, non-refundable, to post it for them. Their lawyers will cost tens of thousands more. This is going to be one expensive dorm party whether they're convicted or not.

And it sounds like at least one of the accused may not even have been there. That'd really suck to have to post bail and spring for a lawyer for something that happened at a party that you didn't even freaken attend.

Yup, pretty much. Hopefully soon the truth will come out and those guys (the innocent ones if anything happened) can get on with their lives.

With the evidences that one of the player wasn't even at the scene at the time, the judge should really throw the case out. New digital photos also suggest this whole thing is a big lie. The prosecutor should really start thinking about charging the accuser of making false police report instead of going forward with the case. Too bad for the families of the two who got charged who will have to shell out thousands for lawyers.

 

[Xecuter]

Still, the American legal system destroys people's reputation if they are accused of something and found not guilty anyways

::sigh::

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Players SUSPENDED.

>>Two lacrosse players arrested on rape and kidnapping charges have been suspended by Duke University, a source familiar with the investigation told ESPN on Wednesday

Reade Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., will be suspended until the case is resolved, the source said.

Attorney Bill Cotter, who represents Finnerty, said his client has left Durham, although he wouldn't say where he went. Attorney Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, declined to answer questions about his client, including his whereabouts and whether he has been suspended.<<

espn.com

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Xecuter
Still, the American legal system destroys people's reputation if they are accused of something and found not guilty anyways

::sigh::

It's really not the "legal system," it's the media and the public interest in these kinds of scandals. Luckily, from my perspective, we have a First Amendment in this country, and IMO the good of that far outweighs the bad.

FWIW, I don't agree that the suspects in this case have had their reputations destroyed - if anything the public sentiment seems to be one of skepticism toward the accuser.

 

[NFS4]

This is friggin' ridiculous. Watched Scarborough country tonight.

The one guy, Reade Seligmann left that party at 12:14...that was the time he was picked up by a cab. Cab driver was interviewed tonight and said he picked him up. Cabbie has computer records of picking him up. Cabbie then drove him to the ATM. ATM has records of him using his card. And TOMORROW, the defense will produce pictures FROM THE ATM showing that he was there at the stated time.

Considering that this woman was supposedly raped some time after 12:30 or so, how the hell did this guy get fingered?:|:|:|:|

Oh, and pics of the chick:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12366767/

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Players SUSPENDED.

>>Two lacrosse players arrested on rape and kidnapping charges have been suspended by Duke University, a source familiar with the investigation told ESPN on Wednesday

Reade Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., will be suspended until the case is resolved, the source said.

Attorney Bill Cotter, who represents Finnerty, said his client has left Durham, although he wouldn't say where he went. Attorney Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, declined to answer questions about his client, including his whereabouts and whether he has been suspended.<<

espn.com

Stop with the hype and fearmongering. It is standard practice for a college to suspend anyone during a felony case.

"The two players were suspended Wednesday until the investigation is concluded, CNN reported. The university declined to comment, but it has historically suspended students charged with a felony."

 

[gettinbranded2003]

DA must have something up his sleeve. That is the only explanation.

He can't see these pictures and all and continue on if he does not. If he has something, he'll go on. If he does not, he'll drop.

Simple as that. Lets wait for ALL of the facts.

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Players SUSPENDED.

>>Two lacrosse players arrested on rape and kidnapping charges have been suspended by Duke University, a source familiar with the investigation told ESPN on Wednesday

Reade Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., will be suspended until the case is resolved, the source said.

Attorney Bill Cotter, who represents Finnerty, said his client has left Durham, although he wouldn't say where he went. Attorney Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, declined to answer questions about his client, including his whereabouts and whether he has been suspended.<<

espn.com

Stop with the hype and fearmongering. It is standard practice for a college to suspend anyone during a felony case.

"The two players were suspended Wednesday until the investigation is concluded, CNN reported. The university declined to comment, but it has historically suspended students charged with a felony."

What hype and fearmongering? Everything in my post was 100% true. Read the link.

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Collin Finnerty, one of two Duke lacrosse players charged with rape and kidnapping Tuesday, could face a separate trial on assault charges in Washington, D.C., that could put him in jail for six months.

Because of his arrest in Durham, N.C., the U.S. Attorney's Office might revoke Finnerty's diversion program at a hearing next week and try him for misdemeanor assault, principal assistant U.S. Attorney Channing Phillips told USA TODAY on Tuesday. The charges could bring 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.

"That decision is under review," Phillips said. The U.S. Attorney's office will make the call before a status hearing on Finnerty's case April 25, Phillips added. The hearing was scheduled before Finnerty's arrest in Durham.

"If it goes to trial, we expect Collin to be exonerated in that case," Steven J. McCool, Finnerty's attorney in the matter, said Tuesday.

Finnerty, 19, and two friends were arrested Nov. 5 in Washington after allegedly attacking a man outside a bar. Finnerty entered a diversion program and was ordered to perform 25 hours of community service within six months.

Under diversion, prosecutors agree to drop criminal charges if defendants complete assigned obligations within a set time. But Phillips said prosecutors can revoke diversion if a defendant is arrested again within the court-set period.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/.../2006-04-19-finnerty_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Good writeup of the defense here:
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5515998

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Players SUSPENDED.

>>Two lacrosse players arrested on rape and kidnapping charges have been suspended by Duke University, a source familiar with the investigation told ESPN on Wednesday

Reade Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., will be suspended until the case is resolved, the source said.

Attorney Bill Cotter, who represents Finnerty, said his client has left Durham, although he wouldn't say where he went. Attorney Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, declined to answer questions about his client, including his whereabouts and whether he has been suspended.<<

espn.com

Stop with the hype and fearmongering. It is standard practice for a college to suspend anyone during a felony case.

"The two players were suspended Wednesday until the investigation is concluded, CNN reported. The university declined to comment, but it has historically suspended students charged with a felony."

What hype and fearmongering? Everything in my post was 100% true. Read the link.

While literally true, the wording was designed to mislead and sensasionalize (sp) the story. The second word is SUSPENDED. Gee, nope, nothing there. The wording makes no mention of the fact that it is standard practice to do so, instead, by omission it makes it appear that it is infact some horrible punishment.

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Players SUSPENDED.

>>Two lacrosse players arrested on rape and kidnapping charges have been suspended by Duke University, a source familiar with the investigation told ESPN on Wednesday

Reade Seligmann, a sophomore from Essex Fells, N.J., and Collin Finnerty, a sophomore from Garden City, N.Y., will be suspended until the case is resolved, the source said.

Attorney Bill Cotter, who represents Finnerty, said his client has left Durham, although he wouldn't say where he went. Attorney Kirk Osborn, representing Seligmann, declined to answer questions about his client, including his whereabouts and whether he has been suspended.<<

espn.com

Stop with the hype and fearmongering. It is standard practice for a college to suspend anyone during a felony case.

"The two players were suspended Wednesday until the investigation is concluded, CNN reported. The university declined to comment, but it has historically suspended students charged with a felony."

What hype and fearmongering? Everything in my post was 100% true. Read the link.

While literally true, the wording was designed to mislead and sensasionalize (sp) the story. The second word is SUSPENDED. Gee, nope, nothing there. The wording makes no mention of the fact that it is standard practice to do so, instead, by omission it makes it appear that it is infact some horrible punishment.

Your post is incredibly devoid of any substance. No, it is not misleading, and Yes, there is something there: The players were suspended until the case is resolved. It is a horrible punishment.

Oh and...THE ARTICLE I QUOTED *DID NOT* SAY THIS WAS COMMON PRACTICE.

As I said earlier: READ the link.

 

[TGregg]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
DA must have something up his sleeve. That is the only explanation.

He can't see these pictures and all and continue on if he does not. If he has something, he'll go on. If he does not, he'll drop.

Simple as that. Lets wait for ALL of the facts.

That's the thing. If the DA really has some serious evidence that he has not revealed, I'm routing for him. However, he has already shown himself to be a tool of racists - he stated the DNA tests would point to a perp and they did not.

If he has no new evidence, then I'm calling him a racist. Willing to arrest and try people solely because of race.

 

[TGregg]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Oh and...THE ARTICLE I QUOTED *DID NOT* SAY THIS WAS COMMON PRACTICE.
As I said earlier: READ the link.

Yeah. Read the link, geez. Of course, he already said it didn't say that. So did you read his post, or just go off on a nut?

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
While literally true, the wording was designed to mislead and sensasionalize (sp) the story. The second word is SUSPENDED. Gee, nope, nothing there. The wording makes no mention of the fact that it is standard practice to do so, instead, by omission it makes it appear that it is infact some horrible punishment.

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Originally posted by: TGregg
[However, he has already shown himself to be a tool of racists - he stated the DNA tests would point to a perp and they did not.

I thought he said he was waiting for them to come back before pressing charges, not that they would show anything in particular.

Anyway, how does that make him a tool of racists? Anyone black charging anyone white with a crime and the people who support them are racists? Thats not right, just like it is not right in the reverse.

If the guys are guilty, they will be acquitted and the DA's career will be over. All of them-->the alleged victim and the alleged perps have shady backgrounds, so it won't be as if anyone had a crystal clear reputation suddenly dirtied.

Question: As the alleged victim has made no public statements, and because the DA is the one that chose to bring charges against these particular men based on his own judgement, does that mean they have no legal recourse against her in the event that this is all a sham?

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Originally posted by: TGregg

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Oh and...THE ARTICLE I QUOTED *DID NOT* SAY THIS WAS COMMON PRACTICE.
As I said earlier: READ the link.

Yeah. Read the link, geez. Of course, he already said it didn't say that. So did you read his post, or just go off on a nut?

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
While literally true, the wording was designed to mislead and sensasionalize (sp) the story. The second word is SUSPENDED. Gee, nope, nothing there. The wording makes no mention of the fact that it is standard practice to do so, instead, by omission it makes it appear that it is infact some horrible punishment.

The point is...he has no argument. Neither, it appears, do you.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
DA must have something up his sleeve. That is the only explanation.

He can't see these pictures and all and continue on if he does not. If he has something, he'll go on. If he does not, he'll drop.

Simple as that. Lets wait for ALL of the facts.

Sure the DA will charge the players with rape by teledildonic.

Or the DA can't admit a mistake after initially claiming "there's no doubt a sexual assault took place".

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Question: As the alleged victim has made no public statements, and because the DA is the one that chose to bring charges against these particular men based on his own judgement, does that mean they have no legal recourse against her in the event that this is all a sham?

She filed a rape claim that started the investigation, she should really be jailed if there is no new evidence to support her story.

 

[gettinbranded2003]

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Question: As the alleged victim has made no public statements, and because the DA is the one that chose to bring charges against these particular men based on his own judgement, does that mean they have no legal recourse against her in the event that this is all a sham?

She filed a rape claim that started the investigation, she should really be jailed if there is no new evidence to support her story.

The state filed the charges.

Should the grand jury also be jailed? The DA?

Both had an opportunity to say "This story doesn't add up" but declined. Now the guys will get to prove their innocence in court. Thats the way the criminal justice system works.

 

[TGregg]

Originally posted by: TGregg

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Oh and...THE ARTICLE I QUOTED *DID NOT* SAY THIS WAS COMMON PRACTICE.
As I said earlier: READ the link.

Yeah. Read the link, geez. Of course, he already said it didn't say that. So did you read his post, or just go off on a nut?

Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
While literally true, the wording was designed to mislead and sensasionalize (sp) the story. The second word is SUSPENDED. Gee, nope, nothing there. The wording makes no mention of the fact that it is standard practice to do so, instead, by omission it makes it appear that it is infact some horrible punishment.

I guess the answer is yes, I did go off on a rant and I ain't gonna take it back no matter how stupid I appear.

 

[Epic Fail]

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003

Originally posted by: yamadakun

Originally posted by: gettinbranded2003
Question: As the alleged victim has made no public statements, and because the DA is the one that chose to bring charges against these particular men based on his own judgement, does that mean they have no legal recourse against her in the event that this is all a sham?

She filed a rape claim that started the investigation, she should really be jailed if there is no new evidence to support her story.

The state filed the charges.

Should the grand jury also be jailed? The DA?

Both had an opportunity to say "This story doesn't add up" but declined. Now the guys will get to prove their innocence in court. Thats the way the criminal justice system works.

She made a police report that said she was raped and it is a crime under the criminal justice system if the claim is false.

The standard needed for a grand jury to indict someone is very low, this particular grand jury indicted 99% of the cases presented to them. If the DA continues to prosecute the case with clear evidence that those charged are innocent, hopefully he will be jailed but that's unlikely.