All sorely misguided DEMS.... solute your new President of the United States.... "BUSH"

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[fragarific]

Def, are you reserving the above reply so you can add any comments later?

 

[jmcoreymv]

Id say veryape put it very well.

 

[apoppin]

<<How so?>>

I meant by the Supreme Court's own action of stopping the recount is what put it beyond the Dec 12 deadline.

The dissenting justices - four - clearly pointed this out. All four of them were united against the majority - five. It is a very bad thing to have no unamimous decision in a case of this magnitude. The US Supreme Court is now just as open to criticism and claims of partisianship as the Florida Supreme Court.

In effect, the US Supreme Court decided the Presidency.

This is the worst way to become President. Bush clearly has his work cut out for him.

BTW, is anyone else having trouble with the slow loading of these forums or is it my ISP? I am going to have to drop out of this discussion as it taking forever to load.

 

[jhu]

hmmm...i won't salute dick. i might salute bush. too bad we don't have breast

 

[veryape]

I'm having problems with it loading slowly too.

 

[Futuramatic]

veryape-

Nobody KNOWS anything. And to get HYPER-TECHNICAL, recounting invalid/illegal votes is NOT part of Florida law. Let us assume that the voting machine malfunctioned... it was still the RESPONSIBILITY of the voter to recheck their ballots. They did not, and thus cast an invalid vote. Check Florida law (as it was written BEFORE the election), and you will see it yourself.

 

[Cybordolphin]

VeryApe.

Your wrong. This country does not elect based on # of votes. Perhaps you have The United States of America confused with somewhere else.

Here we go by the &quot;Electoral Vote&quot; system.

Gore lost. Bush has won. Perhaps Al Gore does not want to accept the rules by which we elect or president either. What do you think?

Take Gore and the party with ya. We promise to not let the door hit your asses on the way out.

 

[etech]

The court's unsigned opinion said seven justices agreed that there were constitutional problems with the recount ordered by the Florida court, but that they disagreed on the remedy.

All seven said that the way the recounts were being done was wrong. It was obvious to all seven that Gore was manufacturing votes where there were none.

 

[Futuramatic]

apoppin-

Perhaps the USSC deliberating this case took time, but in the END, the fact that the laws in Florida provided Dec 12 as the end date was only ONE of the arguements made against hand recounts in the majority opinion (and accompanying &quot;ammendment&quot; by 3 of the justices).

Why would you want a court of justices that all agree? I would think that a mix of attitudes and beliefs would be GOOD for a panel of justices. It allows for the issue to be viewed from more than just one angle. Everyone agreeing all the time does not allow for all the facets of an arguement to be examined.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< JellyBaby... GREAT waffle job!!! Your party would be proud of your post! >>

Cybordolphin,

I'm not registered with either the R or D party but no matter.

It will be interesting to see how long it takes the left to stop whining and begin thinking about our country. Even though the Rs may control the top office and congress, we all need to work together to build a better america: Rs, Ds, Ls, Is alike.

That said the ball will soon be in Bush's court but the behavior of the Ds will not go unnoticed.

 

[veryape]

Lets not mince words. If you want to pretend that you don't in your heart of hearts know that Al Gore had more people vote for him then bush,then there is no point in debating this matter. For god sakes,why do you think Bush was so intent on not having the undervotes in all the counties counted(republican counties included),with observers from both parties. Well i'll tell you why. Because he knows that if all votes are included in the count that he will lose.


cyberdolphin,read my post. I said in Florida,not just the US. I know how the electoral college works and realize that its how the votes are counted,even though its 200yrs old and needs to be revamped. I'm talking about Florida.

 

[Futuramatic]

veryape-

They are not votes unless legally cast. The VOTERS did not follow the rules, hence they were invalid votes. More voters in Florida TRIED to vote for Gore (well, those who were not ripped off by the media screwing up), but that does not mean they VOTED for Gore. They had a responsibility, they failed that responsibility. Just like a Democrat to want credit for the effort, not the results.

EDIT: If the media had not screwed up and called hte poles closed in Florida and prematurely projected, Bush would have won. Too many people in the western handle of the state (Bush country) gave up due to irresponsible media coverage.

 

[Zucchini]

supreme court stops the count, then says there isn't enough time to finish.

Supreme court says that there was no standard, yet a standard set down by the florida supreme court would be unconstitutional %#@@^#@!#@%^

The justices that sided with bush were all appointed by republicans.

 

[Futuramatic]

Zuchinni-

Read the decision (and not just the dissent). ONE of the reasons that the recount was stopped was lack of time, not the ONLY reason. There were 3 principle reasons if I remember.

The lack of a standard was not an oversight, and making new election law after the election and trying to &quot;backdate it&quot; is in clear violation of Section 5 of hte US Code. The laws of Florida were never written to include the counting of illegal ballots, but the FL SC saw that it did not EXPRESSLY prohibit it, and thought that meant that they could allow it, thus making new law.

 

[etech]

VeryApe, under what standard were the recounts to be conducted. The &quot;divine the voter intent&quot; was completely open to fraud.

I believe that Gov. Bush won the election based on the election rules as they were on Nov. 7th. I also believe that if the ballots were fairly counted that he won. I also believe that if the democrats had recounted the ballots as they were in Palm Beach that Gov. Bush would of lost the election, not because he did not have more votes but the democrats were fabricating them out of non-votes.

 

[veryape]

Whatever,if winning on a technicallity is cool with you then so be it. I obviously live on a different set of principles. Its called honor and if Bush had any he would have in the beginning said to Gore that he wanted a Full hand recount if there were to be a hand recount. But instead he relied on stealing the election by running out the clock with his protests and appeals. America will notice what he has done and will not accept him.

Just answer this for me,who had more people try to vote for them,even counting those &quot;fools&quot; who made the mistake of making a mistake. God forbid someone makes a mistake,not that republicans would ever make a mistake,being so perfect and all. Death and banishment to all rthose fools who can't even cast a vote right.

 

[etech]

Red, President Bush will have to have the carpets cleaned in the Oval Office, but only because of the stains of his predecessor are still there.

 

[Futuramatic]

Red-

Name the last President that was not the butt of countless jokes

Clinton also came into the White House as fodder for late night talk show monologues. GWB will be no different.

etech - man you are cruel

 

[PCAddict]

Seeing &quot;Fast Eddie&quot; Rendell calling for Gore to concede has convinced me that this is finally over. He's no fat lady, but he'll do. I anticipate waking up tomorrow to news reports of a Gore/Lieberman concession.

 

[etech]

Changing the rules after the game is started is known as cheating where I come from, I guess it's just a technicallity to some.

 

[Cybordolphin]

Uh... no Ape.

Because it was a stupid idea to begin with. There was no reason to recount them EVER. Except that it was close.... and AL Gore was a sore loser.... and was hoping to overturn the results. The reason(s) for it being &quot;stupid&quot;, are too numerous to list here.

He pretended and lied to the simple minds, and stated that he wanted to do a recount &quot;in the interest of American's&quot;.

Now THAT was a joke.

He wanted the recount... because he wanted to &quot;win&quot;. Period.

Unfortunately some not so bright person's out there... took him literally (amazing the number stupid people in the world... huh?).

They are slowly beginning to see how &quot;stupid&quot; the idea was, and that Al Gore was only interested in winning. You can still see the lesser minds... still kind of holding on to the &quot;in the interest of American's&quot; (stupidity). But, alas that will fade in time. Simple minds have a very short attention span. Thank god.

Also... please don't say that because you think that Gore had more of the &quot;popular&quot; vote in Florida... he should be president. That would be like me saying that because Bush had more of the &quot;popular&quot; vote in Tennessee... that would make Bush the president. It just does not, and can not ever work the way you see it. Ever. That is why we have created the voting system to work the way it does. You can't change the way we elect our president. Certainly not during the election.

Sorry.

 

[ride525]

It's sad the undervotes won't be counted....at least in time to make a difference in this election....

It will be interesting to see if they are counted afterwards, and who getst the most....

 

[Michael]

veryape - in my heart of hearts, I believe that Bush had more votes than Gore did in Florida.

1) Military ballots that almost for sure were for Bush were disqualified because they did not have post marks which were not the fault of the voter.

2) Using a reasonable standard where there was far less disagreement about what a vote was, PBC determined that there were far fewer ballots in which they could determine the clear intent of the voter.

3) Gore brought this on himself. He sought to control both the standard and the place of the counts. He delayed the protest phase and he had a very poor, selective case in the constest phase. Remember, Gore sued the PBC board and cost them a day trying to force dimples down their throats and then delayed them for a whole morning doing a presentation even after the circuit court judge refused to direct the board to count dimples.

4) The vote was 7-2 that the current scheme of manual counts was uncontitutional. 2 of the 7 felt that something could be salvaged from the affair and 5 seriously doubted that it could.

The threat of counting after the election is a hollow one. Only the people who already hate Bush will care about whatever Democrat sponsored group announces that Gore won.

For the first time, I feel it is time for Gore to concede. I was unhappy that he did not earlier, but I repected his right to protest and contest because it was close. It is over now.

Michael

 

[Cybordolphin]

Ride525,

Undervotes don't count. Get used to that. That's the way it works. If you can't properly function at the voting poles, and you create an undervote.... tough s#$t. The rest of America does not have time or desire to try and figure out what you were thinking. If you can't paddle the boat... then get out. If you can't figure out the rules for voting. Don't.

If you made a mistake at the pole while voting (looking at the skirt in the booth next to you.... and you're strength suddenly left the arm you were using to punch your vote), then follow the rules posted in front of your face! Or take your &quot;voting right&quot; .... right the hell home.

And don't whine if your vote does not get heard. You screwed up. Too bad.