All sorely misguided DEMS.... solute your new President of the United States.... "BUSH"

[SuperTool]

What really amazes me is how partisan these forums are, and the American populus in general. I am guilty too.
But it really does seem like winning at all costs, for both parties. First impeachment, now this. A clean victory here for either guy might have wiped the slate clean, but this mess just divided everyone even more.

 

[BoberFett]

<< The fact that you and the majority of the electoral college voted for Bush... >>

Thank you for finally admitting the truth.

<< speaks volumes about the stupidity of the American people. >>

And if Gore had been elected we'd all look like geniuses? I think not.

 

[Cybordolphin]

Typing,

Idiot...

Don't you just love those guys that pop in to point out typos... for lack of anything better to add or say.

Like some of us give a rats ass about our typing. Even those of us that make a living at writing. A word misspelled here or there... who gives a s$&amp;t.

Hell just look at my call sign.... (Cyberdolphin was taken fool).

 

[I'm Typing]

I never stated that a majority of the electoral college went to Gore. I also never thought that any candidate should use unlawful means to win an election. The purpose of the courts is to resolve such issues.

Now that they have been resolved, Bush has no choice but to accept the Presidency. If Bush had been a smart man, he would have conceded a long time ago. You can bet that whoever becomes President is going to find it impossible to succeed, much less get re-elected. Bush may have had a chance in '04...now he has a snowball's chance in hell of being a two term President.

 

[jjm]

I don't think we need to insult people.

Thorn, it actually takes a 2/3 majority to break a filibuster. It makes no difference what Cheney or Lott want to do. The majority leader, however, can set the agenda. But that becomes useless unless the agenda includes bills that the minority will let pass. The only way to get the minority to play along is to water down the bills to accommodate their interests. If I were you, I might think twice about banking that tax cut just yet.

Even though I want my tax cut, it will not happen. The best you can hope for is that there will be some fixes at the margin - marriage penalty perhaps. Thorn, you underestimate the ability of the minority to block legislation. And the President is unable to make changes in tax laws by Executive Order. In fact, nearly everything Dubaya campaigned on requires Congressional approval first.

Oh, by the way, Dubaya's tax cut proposals don't take full effect until after four years. And he has proposed that they be linked to continuing budget surpluses. In typical political fashion, his proposals were smoke and mirrors anyway. You didn't really believe you would see an immediate cut did you? Go read his proposals. You might find they were a lot less than you might have hoped, and there are lots of delays and caveats.

 

[Thorn]

<< Judging by the quality of your posts, your inability to spell, and the fact that you cannot construct a valid sentence speaks volumes about you. The fact that you and the majority of the electoral college voted for Bush speaks volumes about the stupidity of the American people. >>


Gotta love those personal attacks! Woohoo! Is that the best you can do? How pathetic. You need to take lessons in character assassination from Gore's people. Everyone knows that they're the true masters.


<< I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for this country. >>


Then get on the plane with Alec Baldwin, Bassinger, and the rest. I've heard Canada's really nice this time of year. There's some &quot;Compassionate Conservatism&quot; for you.

I feel sorry for the Americans who swallowed the Democrats/Gore's crap during his lie-infested, pitiful campaign.

 

[SuperTool]

<< You need to take lessons in character assassination from Gore's people. Everyone knows that they're the true masters. >>


I thought that was the republicans during the impeachment...

 

[DefRef]

If Bush had been a smart man, he would have conceded a long time ago.

Huh? I don't think quitting when YOU'RE AHEAD and when YOU'VE WON is a sign of a &quot;smart man&quot;.

It's just like when the Goreistas said that Bush could've asked for his own recounts to counter their vote fraud operations. WTF should you recount a VICTORY?!?

 

[Michael]

As asked, I read the whole opinion. I also read all the briefs and listened to the oral arguments.

I agree with the majority opinion (7-2) and with the smaller majority (5-4). I cannot see any way to get a proper count done by 12/18. Sending two slates of electors to be looked at by Congress just moves the conflict from the Supreme Court to Congress. After the fight that would occur, there would be no chance of any cooperation in the government.

The only tax cut I would like from the government is an elimination of the marriage tax penalty. Cuts in the capial gains taxes and the estate taxes would be nice but I do not see them to be as urgent.

The bitter fight to the end should put pressure on Bush to try and pass or change laws that there is widespread agreement on. Outlawing punchcard voting for Federal offices would be a good start.

Michael

 

[JellyBaby]

<< What really amazes me is how partisan these forums are >>

SuperTool,

I hadn't noticed. But if a D or R political official happened upon some of these threads, he would rejoice. Failing all else, they'd prefer to keep the nation polarized and divided. It makes controlling elections more easy, propaganda doesn't need to be rewritten, and third-party threats can be kept on the back-burner.

I recently realized why the donkey is the democrat's symbol: they all whine like mules. Really, folks, it's time to move on for the good of the country. The real issue here is whether we should forgive Gore/Lieberman and the democrats for attempting a legal coup, and how to improve our voting system. Bush has 4 years to prove the Rs are &quot;good stuff&quot;. We need to give him a chance to do it.

 

[Thorn]

Yep, you're right about breaking a filibuster (just looked it up). It's been a while since I took civics and for some reason I'd thought it was a majority. You have my apologies.

But I still feel that W can get the tax cuts he wants. You'd figure he wouldn't have any choice or he'll lose grass-roots support like his dad did.

Ok, ok. No slam-dunk (I got a little overly excited). But he has to do what he's promised somehow or another. I'm sure he remembers what happened 10 years ago.

 

[JellyBaby]

<< But I still feel that W can get the tax cuts he wants. >>

Thorn,

If the economy doesn't snowboard into recession, you'll certainly see tax cut legislation move. However, historically the Rs begin with cuts for those with the greatest wealth and work their way down the food chain. It'll be interesting to see if W sticks with his promise to provide simultaneous relief to everyone.

 

[Thorn]

<< I thought that was the republicans during the impeachment... >>


If the Reps were, then Clinton would've been history.

 

[AndrewR]

If the Democrats decide to filibuster every Republican item and hold up Congressional business, then they will have to answer to the American voters when nothing is being done. If the sole reason for failure to pass legislation is Democratic filibustering, then the Republican chances in 2002 legislative elections will be wonderfully optimistic.

That's probably the best thing that could happen for the next two years on the course to strengthen the Republican majority. Sure, the Gore-istas will support it, but that's only 25% of the population.

 

[SuperTool]

<< I recently realized why the donkey is the democrat's symbol: they all whine like mules. Really, folks, it's time to move on for the good of the country. >>


Moving on starts with stopping this bashing on both sides, so no need to polarize things by calling Dems whining mules. The war is over, so no need to fire more shots.


<< Bush has 4 years to prove the Rs are &quot;good stuff&quot;. We need to give him a chance to do it. >>


I couldn't agree more. I am being open minded, and if I see that Republicans are keeping the far right at bay, and doing good for the country as a whole in the next four years, I will have no problem voting for them in the next election. But if it's just going to be about forcing their far right agenda into laws while they have the opportunity, then it will be tough to be sympathetic to the R's in 2002 and 2004.

 

[SuperTool]

<< If the Reps were, then Clinton would've been history. >>


Last time I checked, the Reps just couldn't convict Clinton in the senate, and not because they didn't try hard enough, but because there was no way they could get 66 votes.

 

[Thorn]

<< If the economy doesn't snowboard into recession, you'll certainly see tax cut legislation move. However, historically the Rs begin with cuts for those with the greatest wealth and work their way down the food chain. >>


Yay! ( j/k) Seriously though, I really want those capital gains tax cuts. April is a very harsh time of year.


<< It'll be interesting to see if W sticks with his promise to provide simultaneous relief to everyone >>


Elimination of the marriage tax is one of the big keys there.

 

[cxim]

andrew... there is much more involved in the senate than filibuster alone...

senators with senority can &amp; do control legislation with numerous rules...

It is a very different game than the House of Rep.

 

[Thorn]

<< Last time I checked, the Reps just couldn't convict Clinton in the senate, and not because they didn't try hard enough, but because there was no way they could get 66 votes. >>


Sorry, wasn't speaking about removal. Just about public opinion. I knew there was no way they could get Clinton removed from office. But they could have made him look much worse.

 

[SuperTool]

I think senators are more careful of being partisan. They represent whole states, not just one district, so their constituencies are more diverse, and they can't just go around being partisan unless they come from a largely democratic or republican states.

 

[DefRef]

The Republicans sandbagged the impeachment trial. They refused to call witnesses and look at any evidence. They sold out the House Managers and wonder why those same reps lost their elections this year.

It also set the stage for this little nightmare we just concluded. Since the Democrats learned that NOTHING they do will be punished, it gave them the green light to go buck wild and try to steal the election. Failing that, they'll just start the &quot;Bush is illegitimate and has no mandate and must give us power&quot;, war chant.

GOP IS SUCK!

(Too bad the people will never vote for the party that they'd support if they knew the facts about: Libertarian)

 

[Thorn]

I really did want to vote for Brown... but my fear of a Gore White House got the better of me.

 

[konichiwa]

I voted Libertarian.

 

[I'm Typing]

I have to laugh when someone like YOU accuses ME of &quot;resorting to personal attacks.&quot; Funny how some people can &quot;dish it out&quot; without even knowing it, then whine because they cannot &quot;take it.&quot;

Cybordolphin: How you speak (and type) is a representation of who you are and how you conduct yourself. If you want to give others the impression that your grammar lessons stopped at the second grade, so be it...but do not assume others &quot;know&quot; you can do better, and &quot;choose&quot; to write at that level. If you want to substitute laziness for lack of skill, either way you look baaaad.

 

[Harvey]

Cybordolphin -- <<ll sorely misguided DEMS.... solute your new President of the United States.... &quot;BUSH&quot;>>

Please be so kind as to osculate upon my glutial cheeks.