All Statues and Monuments must come down

[Vic]

Imagine being so authoritarian that you would intentionally deny people the right to even vote on what statutes and monuments are in their cities, even when those statutes and monuments are to peoples ancestors' oppressors, and then are so fucking disconnected that you can't understand why people might be upset about that (and instead make up bizarre paranoid conspiracy theories about the left and or chicken little about Mt Rushmore coming down, etc). I mean, just imagine.

 

[ewdotson]

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand hole, you'll be buried and not even know it.

People with actual power in this country:

- Insanely far-right conservatives, with the caveat that "conservative" in this era has somehow been re-defined into "authoritarian plutocrat"
- Moderates who can, at least some of the time, be shamed into respecting basic human rights
- Like three actual leftists who still aren't actually all that far left by world-wide standards and don't even have all that much power

 

[mikeymikec]

People with actual power in this country:

- Insanely far-right conservatives, with the caveat that "conservative" in this era has somehow been re-defined into "authoritarian plutocrat"
- Moderates who can, at least some of the time, be shamed into respecting basic human rights
- Like three actual leftists who still aren't actually all that far left by world-wide standards and don't even have all that much power

With any vaguely lefty proposal being labelled by the crazies as some kind of Soros-inspired/funded/organised conspiracy theory.

It reminds me of the (~10 year old) son of one of my American relatives confidently asserting when Obama became President that "we'll all be living out of huts shortly". I wonder where he got that idea from. I wonder if his parents felt embarrassed when that little nugget escaped their echo chamber.

 

[sportage]

BOTH of these flags and symbols need to go bye bye. BOTH of these symbols are offensive to many people. Nazi paraphernalia offensive for Jews and Confederate paraphernalia offensive for blacks. And after all, BOTH the Nazis and the Confederacy LOST THEIR WAR, so why celebrate any of it? Especially now?

Guess what people.....
After Hitler killed himself and the Nazis lost world war two, GUESS WHO it was that destroyed the majority of the Nazi paraphernalia across Germany? AMERICAN SOLDIERS occupying Germany.
YES! It was the same US troops that won WWII that also tore down those Nazi Swastika's and Nazi Iron Eagles from German property. So..... it would be only just for our national guard and our US military to take the lead with tearing down and destroying offensive Confederate statues, Confederate symbols, Confederate flags, and Confederate paraphernalia from across America.

I find it incredibly inconceivable that considering the confederacy lost the war and considering that an American president paid the ultimate price having been assassinated over that war, I find it inconceivable that any Confederate statue would have been allowed to be constructed after the fact. That would be like the Germans reconstructing Nazi flags and Nazi symbols across Germany years later after Germany lost WWII. Since the fall of Hitler, Nazi anything has been a big no no and intolerable within Germany, so HOW people in our southern states could have allowed Confederate shit to go up to celebrate the Confederacy is absolutely insane. And... only goes to prove that the south did not give a damn about freedom nor the freeing of slaves. And now we know after all of these years, now we know that a lot of people including this current president of the United States feels the same way. They still hold an endearing love of the Confederacy and obviously have a big problem with slaves having been set free. If Donald Trump had his way, slaves would still be slaves and would be the slaves constructing Trump branded buildings and Trump branded resorts across America.

YES... all of it really does need to come down. AND.... I think white people should have no say in what comes down and what stays up. That should be entirely up to the sons and daughters of those once oppressed and once enslaved.

 

[Starbuck1975]

This is pointless to continue. You've literally said nothing in response to my counterpoints regarding your opinions of "destruction inherently carries an interpretation of history to anyone who tolerates the act", and you're supplying nothing to justify your argument otherwise.

The destruction of monuments is directly tied to BLM, and the justifiable extension of the systematic racism argument is to destroy symbols of slavery.

What is the rational justification for destroying monuments to Grant? What about monuments to Lincoln that portray slavery in a historically accurate way? Or Founding Fathers who may have been slave owners? In Madison, WI, a state senator was assaulted by protestors for attempting to take a picture of their attacking a statue...of an abolitionist.

It’s not pointless to continue once you acknowledge that the examples cited are not outliers.

 

[pcgeek11]

meanwhile in Great Britian -- View attachment 24062

What an idiot. LOL

 

[kage69]

Catchy, I like it

 

[dmcowen674]

6-26-2020

Tourists have been blocked from the Island where the Statue is for quite some time now.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France


Statue of Liberty has always been a symbol of America’s white colonial legacy, a gift given by colonial France just to piss off colonial Britain.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France

 

[dmcowen674]

6-26-2020

The South Dakota Governor is not happy about losing the Tourism dollars but doesn't look like she will be able to stop it from being taken down.

Mount Rushmore should be 'removed,' tribal president says ahead of Trump visit

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – As President Donald Trump prepares to visit Mount Rushmore next week, a South Dakota tribal president is preparing a memo of disapproval.
Oglala Sioux President Julian Bear Runner says the president failed to consult with tribal leaders about the visit to the Black Hills, which the Sioux consider part of their Great Sioux Reservation, land that was never ceded to the United States. Bear Runner said Trump's visit requited government-to-government consultation between the tribes and the federal government.

And one other thing: Bear Runner thinks Mount Rushmore should come down.

Mount Rushmore was created to draw tourism to South Dakota and its carving took place between 1927 and 1941. Sculptor Gutzon Borglum intended for Mount Rushmore to stand for America's greatness, and it's referred to as the Shrine of Democracy. However, stories in recent years have highlighted Borglum's ties to white supremacy, possibly joining the Ku Klux Klan, his Confederate sculpture funded by the KKK and that the tribes have argued for generations that the land was stolen from them.

“Mount Rushmore is a symbol of white supremacy, of structural racism that’s still alive and well in society today,” said Nick Tilsen, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe and the president of a local activist organization called NDN Collective. “It’s an injustice to actively steal Indigenous people’s land then carve the white faces of the conquerors who committed genocide.”

 

[mikeymikec]

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France


Statue of Liberty has always been a symbol of America’s white colonial legacy, a gift given by colonial France just to piss off colonial Britain.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France

LOL

 

[ch33zw1z]

6-26-2020

The South Dakota Governor is not happy about losing the Tourism dollars but doesn't look like she will be able to stop it from being taken down.

Mount Rushmore should be 'removed,' tribal president says ahead of Trump visit

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. – As President Donald Trump prepares to visit Mount Rushmore next week, a South Dakota tribal president is preparing a memo of disapproval.
Oglala Sioux President Julian Bear Runner says the president failed to consult with tribal leaders about the visit to the Black Hills, which the Sioux consider part of their Great Sioux Reservation, land that was never ceded to the United States. Bear Runner said Trump's visit requited government-to-government consultation between the tribes and the federal government.

And one other thing: Bear Runner thinks Mount Rushmore should come down.

Mount Rushmore was created to draw tourism to South Dakota and its carving took place between 1927 and 1941. Sculptor Gutzon Borglum intended for Mount Rushmore to stand for America's greatness, and it's referred to as the Shrine of Democracy. However, stories in recent years have highlighted Borglum's ties to white supremacy, possibly joining the Ku Klux Klan, his Confederate sculpture funded by the KKK and that the tribes have argued for generations that the land was stolen from them.

“Mount Rushmore is a symbol of white supremacy, of structural racism that’s still alive and well in society today,” said Nick Tilsen, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe and the president of a local activist organization called NDN Collective. “It’s an injustice to actively steal Indigenous people’s land then carve the white faces of the conquerors who committed genocide.”

I'm totes coo with this one. Even as a child I thought this particular display of human hubris was not cool.

 

[CZroe]

I'm pretty sure they're both facetious.

 

[ewdotson]

6-26-2020

Tourists have been blocked from the Island where the Statue is for quite some time now.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France


Statue of Liberty has always been a symbol of America’s white colonial legacy, a gift given by colonial France just to piss off colonial Britain.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France

You understand you're basically posting an Onion article here, right?

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[ewdotson]

I'm totes coo with this one. Even as a child I thought this particular display of human hubris was not cool.

And even if someone is cool with the monument themselves, I don't see how one could hold it against the Lakota for hating it.

 

[mikeymikec]

You understand you're basically posting an Onion article here, right?

It's in the same spirit as the thread started, why not finish it that way?

 

[CZroe]

You understand you're basically posting an Onion article here, right?

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Did you somehow miss this?

These have to come down too View attachment 22882

Of course he understands. He's sharing this facetious stuff to make his point about how ridiculous this is getting. That's how being facetious works.

That said, at one point people were facetiously referring to Washington statues while saying "what's next?" Joke's on them now.

 

[kage69]

6-26-2020

Tourists have been blocked from the Island where the Statue is for quite some time now.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France


Statue of Liberty has always been a symbol of America’s white colonial legacy, a gift given by colonial France just to piss off colonial Britain.

“Racist Statue of Liberty” to be Dismantled, Returned to France

So that's where the racist reactionaries are now with this? The statue of Liberty is now no different than a monument honoring traitors and promoting white supremacy?

I'm used to you guys offering laughable bullshit arguments, but this one is special. Wow.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” Yep, sounds really racist. Haha.

Is this your new thing? To try and wrestle the Retard Crown from the likes of brandonbullshit and Rim Job? Here I was thinking your old posts were pathetic, I want to say you knew what satire was back then.

 

[brianmanahan]

It's in the same spirit as the thread started, why not finish it that way?

dmcowen is a living onion article

 

[snoopy7548]

I wonder how many times OP has visited these beloved statues and monuments.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I wonder how many times OP has visited these beloved statues and monuments.

Have you seen gas prices?

 

[CZroe]

Have you seen gas prices?

So many levels.

 

[brycejones]

Have you seen gas prices?

At the current rate of increase gas will be like $39374749 a gallon at some point. In fact I think it was that much at a gas station down the street this morning but I forgot to take a picture of it. I didn’t get gas because I wanted some vinegar and didn’t have my ID.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I wonder how many times OP has visited these beloved statues and monuments.

If his supporters want to visit a statue...A Trump statue went up in Union Square...

https://twitter.com/x/status/766293927955542016

 

[Amused]

It was the idiot of the village that warned Elie Wiesel and the people of his village what was coming.

But maybe you would listen to a pretty girl instead

Um, no. We should take down statues glorifying the confederacy for the SAME reason Germany took down all statues and monuments to the Nazis and Hitler. This is NOT censorship. The history of the Nazis and Hitler are well known. Yet we do not glorify him with monuments.

False equivalencies are false.

NO ONE IN THE GOVERNMENT is censoring ANYTHING. Society is deciding we will not tolerate the glorification of monsters. And private property owners are deciding they will not tolerate monsters advocating hate on their property. So no. Zero equivalency whatsoever. Equate us to postwar Germany removing all monuments to the Nazis. Period.

Oh, and STFU because you really make yourself sound utterly clueless here.

 

[brianmanahan]

If his supporters want to visit a statue...A Trump statue went up in Union Square...

ughhhhhhh