All Statues and Monuments must come down

[ch33zw1z]

Guys, Dave's just back so he can finally be right about gas prices going up when the oil market stabilizes. Then again wouldn't it be funny if that doesn't happen because some electric vehicle breakthrough kills tons of the demand for oil.



America, world Antifa would be better.

I'm not so sure that's true at this point. It's more like the police because we just go around beating on whoever the eff we want with little to no oversight. We're definitely not loosely organized either. Either way, we should focus on our problems more.

 

[Stokely]

Statues of confederate traitors and losers that were put up right when the Jim Crow laws were getting enacted, or when the Civil Rights protests of the 60s were going on? There's no historical value in those, they had one purpose and that was as propaganda tools to try to keep darkies in their place. Those should just be tossed in with the rest of the garbage.

I'm not sure why a statue of a traitor to the country would be put up at all (?) Unless it showed him in cuffs being led off to jail or with a noose around his neck, at best chuck them in a back room of a museum with a placard that says "don't do what this traitor did".

 

[zinfamous]

I remember watching a "reality" show with Egypt's minister of antiquities Zahi Hawass losing his shit when a student mentioned pyramids being built by slaves. He believes it isn't true, but it seems to me he has a "core belief" and confirmation bias. I recall seeing some other program where he also tries to dispel the notion of Egyptian monuments being built by slaves.

Yes, if it just comes from Hawass, it's worth being wary of the argument. But, I think the evidence people look at to dispel the slave narrative for the pyramids is that the towns that existed around the construction sights seem to have been not those to house slaves, but more like workers. Full-functioning villages with families and furnishings that don't seem to track with housing for slave labor of the time. At least, that's what I remember.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yes, if it just comes from Hawass, it's worth being wary of the argument. But, I think the evidence people look at to dispel the slave narrative for the pyramids is that the towns that existed around the construction sights seem to have been not those to house slaves, but more like workers. Full-functioning villages with families and furnishings that don't seem to track with housing for slave labor of the time. At least, that's what I remember.

Yes, but confirmation bias may cause experts to point to that while ignoring contradictory evidence. Even a "consensus" is questionable if experts need to toe the line to not lose favor with the minister of antiquities.

 

[dank69]

Is this where I sign the petition to save Paw Patrol?? Save Chase the Police Dog! He’s such a good little puppy. Chase is on the case!

Have you seen the episode where Chase snaps Chickaletta's neck for stealing corn?

 

[Greenman]

You've not met Dave before I take it?

Seems like most have forgotten him.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm not so sure that's true at this point. It's more like the police because we just go around beating on whoever the eff we want with little to no oversight. We're definitely not loosely organized either. Either way, we should focus on our problems more.

I said it would be better not that it was a better description of what we've been doing. For obvious reasons America being antifa right now is not remotely true, and hasn't been since WWII (we've enabled plenty of fascist shit since then). Which, the Russians were better antifa than us anyway. Of course that's because they basically were fascist cloaked in lies to motivate their people to be willing to die at high rates to take down the Nazis, so arguably they were pretty fascist as well.

 

[CZroe]

Nope just the racists confederate stuff that was put in place by racists during the jim crow era. I take it you don't know american history?

Educate yourself, it's the least you can do for our country.

...and Churchill statues in the UK? Those are getting vandalized too.

 

[CZroe]

Oh look, someone still want symbols that represent the subjugation of black people because we are so inferior. At least according to the Confederacy.

As for the pyramids, go bitch a[t] Egypt

I think he's inviting you to do so.

 

[CZroe]

So.. like it or not, tearing down disliked statues and monuments has a long history. And, being factual, the pyramids weren't built by slaves.

They were built over a hundred of years, thousands of years ago. I'm sure some were built using some slaves or other compelled/forced labor (prisoners).

 

[ch33zw1z]

They were built over a hundred of years, thousands of years ago. I'm sure some were built using some slaves or other compled/forced labor (prisoners).

Which really doesn't have anything to do with America allowing monuments built to commemorate slavery defenders.

 

[ultimatebob]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok. Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok. Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

I think that's a bit ridiculous. But, not in the same ballpark as a town voting to remove a monument to slavers from public property. Not destroyed, just not commemorated by the town and moved to a historical type of building.

We can remember our history without celebrating the negative parts of it.

I mean, the OP doesn't really have a point. Just a crazy 100% feels based knee jerk reaction that ignores any semblance of reasoned thought. Kinda like zero tolerance policies

 

[brycejones]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok.

No he is doesn't, taking down statues put up explicitly to commemorate racism is not PC run amok.

Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

This is PC run amok.

1 for 2.

 

[Vic]

I remember watching a "reality" show with Egypt's minister of antiquities Zahi Hawass losing his shit when a student mentioned pyramids being built by slaves. He believes it isn't true, but it seems to me he has a "core belief" and confirmation bias. I recall seeing some other program where he also tries to dispel the notion of Egyptian monuments being built by slaves.

Or maybe he's spent decades studying the issue, and it's your confirmation bias that leads you to believe you know more than the experts.
I have no doubt that there were slaves in ancient Egypt. However, the amount of labor required to build the pyramids was certainly much more than the ancient Egyptians had in slaves. The most likely explanation then, that accounts for the size of the labor force required, is that laboring on the pyramids for a few months of every year was a means by which many, if not most, ancient Egyptians paid their taxes to the pharaoh. Which was a common system in ancient times.

 

[Homerboy]

These have to come down too View attachment 22882

Actually current scholars don't think the pyramids were built by slaves. So you're wrong once again.

 

[pauldun170]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok. Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

If they are developers, then perhaps they are simply paying attention to "industry news" where the push to update terminology has been occurring for a few years now.

‘Master/Slave’ Terminology Was Removed from Python Programming Language

The terminology has been a point of contention in the tech community for nearly two decades and now it was just removed from one of the most popular programming languages in the world.

www.vice.com

Google Told Employees to Delete Politically Incorrect Language From Code

"The cost of not doing this is the harm done to other Googlers every time they encounter these terms," says the company's diversity and inclusion team.

reason.com

Insanity would be NOT preparing for an industry wide push.

Terminology, Power and Oppressive Language

This document argues for and describes alternatives that shift specific language conventions used by RFC Authors and RFC Editors to avoid oppressive terminology in the technical documentation of the RFC series. Specifically, this document details two sets of terms that are normalised on the...

tools.ietf.org

 

[Svnla]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok. Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

This is not new. A few years back when I worked for a large Fortune 500 company, an individual expressed dissatisfaction about the word "master" and "slave" when we discussed about the duplication/back up of hard drives in the computerized QC system.

 

[ultimatebob]

If they are developers, then perhaps they are simply paying attention to "industry news" where the push to update terminology has been occurring for a few years now.

‘Master/Slave’ Terminology Was Removed from Python Programming Language

The terminology has been a point of contention in the tech community for nearly two decades and now it was just removed from one of the most popular programming languages in the world.

www.vice.com

Google Told Employees to Delete Politically Incorrect Language From Code

"The cost of not doing this is the harm done to other Googlers every time they encounter these terms," says the company's diversity and inclusion team.

reason.com

Insanity would be NOT preparing for an industry wide push.

Terminology, Power and Oppressive Language

This document argues for and describes alternatives that shift specific language conventions used by RFC Authors and RFC Editors to avoid oppressive terminology in the technical documentation of the RFC series. Specifically, this document details two sets of terms that are normalised on the...

tools.ietf.org

"Master" is a still commonly used term for many technology products. It usually means the primary device or default option. Most modern tech products got rid of "slave" years ago, and replaced it with something like "worker" or "secondary".

Changing "master" to something else that is just going to cause industry confusion, mostly because you'll never get people to agree on what to replace it with. Even if you did think it was a good idea, where would it end... would you advocate changing the 1 or 0 designation in binary code to 1 or 7 or something because people suddenly thought that the number 0 was offensive?

 

[HomerJS]

The OP has a point, though. This IS political correctness run amok. Right now, I'm having to deal with some woke SJW software developers who want to rename the "master" branch in their Git source code repositories because they suddenly find that word offensive.

Anyone who actually knows how Git works knows that "master" is the main branch and that changing it would totally break most code build processes. It would be dozens of hours of work just to change that word in all existing and new code repositories, just to remove a word sometimes deals with slavery in a historical context? Insanity.

It is? Did you read the Cornerstone Address? Read it again and tell people like me why this is so PC.

 

[pauldun170]

"Master" is a still commonly used term for many technology products. It usually means the primary device or default option. Most modern tech products got rid of "slave" years ago, and replaced it with something like "worker" or "secondary".

Changing "master" to something else that is just going to cause industry confusion, mostly because you'll never get people to agree on what to replace it with. Even if you did think it was a good idea, where would it end... would you advocate changing the 1 or 0 designation in binary code to 1 or 7 or something because people suddenly thought that the number 0 was offensive?

I'm going to ignore the slippery slope aspect of your response.

If your developers are bringing up conversations occuring in the industry, instead of attacking them, why not approach it like a professional?

There is risk that industry naming conventions could cause impact. People on your team are naturally discussing it.

If the naming of your branches are going to screw up your builds, perhaps you should focus on making you processes more resilient and flexible instead of name calling people for bringing up adoption of new naming conventions.


Just to be clear, I do not agree that naming conventions need to be updated to remove "Master" nor does it concern me that there is a push to remove it.
Naming conventions, standards and industry practices change. Reserved words change.
What matters is being able to respond to change

 

[Svnla]

What if Trump was just a puppet and the Attorney General, William Bar, was the puppet master?

So i'm watching the TV show Blindspot where the fictional Director of all Federal Law Enforcement is in control and has evil intentions. hm.. director of all federal law enforcement sounds like the Attorney General, doesnt it? Would this better explain the Trump presidency? Life is stranger...

forums.anandtech.com

"master" in the tittle? Oh no he didn't. Do your things guys....

 

[WelshBloke]

The amount of straw in some of these arguments is going to set my hay fever off!
I'll end up sneezing and falling down the slopes that some of you seem to be excessively greasing.

 

[CZroe]

Which really doesn't have anything to do with America allowing monuments built to commemorate slavery defenders.

*sigh*

This wasn't the USA and neither was the vandalized Churchill statue I mentioned with "Racist" scrawled over it.

He's obviously talking about what's currently happening to monuments around the world and you are the one hung up on American monuments to commemorate slavery defenders.

I think that's a bit ridiculous. But, not in the same ballpark as a town voting to remove a monument to slavers from public property. Not destroyed, just not commemorated by the town and moved to a historical type of building.

We can remember our history without celebrating the negative parts of it.

I mean, the OP doesn't really have a point. Just a crazy 100% feels based knee jerk reaction that ignores any semblance of reasoned thought. Kinda like zero tolerance policies

He wasn't talking about voters "voting." Clearly. Why are you always so eager to dismiss?

 

[ch33zw1z]

*sigh*

This wasn't the USA. Neither was the vandalized Churchill statue I mentioned with "Racist" scrawled over it.

He's obviously talking about what's happening to monuments around the world and you are the one hung up on American monuments to commemorate slavery defenders.



He wasn't talking about "voters" voting. Clearly. Why are you always so eager to dismiss?

*Sigh* posting is such a chore for you, must be tough. As usual, your reply is riddled with assumptions. For someone who extrapolates information from the nonsense the OP posts it certainly seems like a challenge to address what I said.

I don't care what other countries have done to their statues. I care what my country does. Why you ask? Because I've never endorsed USA's imperialism.

So what's your plan? Gonna go SJW for Churchill? Maybe, I know it's sounds crazy, but just maybe you put energy into using the internet. It's seems wikipedia describes churchill's views on race, which could shed some light on why people don't like his views on race.

I could link it for you, but it's like 3 words to find it at the top of the list.

Anything else you'd like to hit yourself in the face with?