I thought art was supposed to make us uncomfortable, can be open to interpretation and provoke discussion? Are we not doing that anymore? Should we just let the mob irrationally and incorrectly censor history?
“In the center of the terrace…will arise a polished granite pedestal bearing an equestrian statue of Roosevelt with two accompanying figures on foot,I would default to the intent as communicated by the sculptor.
Wonder if this thread would have been posted if there wasn't a legitimate movement to remove confederate monuments built by racists? I believe people lump other fringe elements in because you can't defend their stance on that subject. Takes those out of the conversation and what are you left with?
Why are we supposed to be concerned about this fringe mob "irrationally and incorrectly censoring history" (because the people aren't allowed their monuments in your opinion apparently), but not concerned about the mob on the mainstream right-wing telling blatant lies in order to justify demanding more govt violence against peaceful protesters?
Oh wait, I know this one. It's because you're a water carrier for (if not part of) the latter group.
IMO, they concern troll for the express purpose of suppressing any discussion about those Republicans who want to keep monuments to white supremacy up.This is how you get people like Starbuck and pcgeek lamenting mean Democrats for wanting to tear down a Grant statue that should have stayed up while saying nothing about the Republicans who want to keep monuments to white supremacy up.
They don’t care about the topic, the concern trolling is what they need.
Hmm, all good points.IMO, they concern troll for the express purpose of suppressing any discussion about those Republicans who want to keep monuments to white supremacy up.
We see a lot of this here, in different ways and on different discussions, where certain posters will do almost anything to distract away from topics and discussions they don't discussed. Some concern troll, some make the discussion about themselves and their hurt feels, and others present false dilemmas (such as through gross overgeneralizations) in order to disempower the people from believing they have a choice in the decision making process.
I appreciate your concernWhy are we supposed to be concerned about this fringe mob "irrationally and incorrectly censoring history" (because the people aren't allowed their monuments in your opinion apparently), but not concerned about the mob on the mainstream right-wing telling blatant lies in order to justify demanding more govt violence against peaceful protesters?
Oh wait, I know this one. It's because you're a water carrier for (if not part of) the latter group.
I apologize for not conforming to the echo chamberlol, you are basically a human Slate.com. There is nothing you can’t concern troll or think up a contrarian take about.
Decided by who, the Ministry of Truth?“In the center of the terrace…will arise a polished granite pedestal bearing an equestrian statue of Roosevelt with two accompanying figures on foot,
one representing the American Indian
and the other the primitive African.
This heroic group…will symbolize the fearless leadership, the explorer, benefactor and educator….”
His intent was always fairly clear. The context has already been well established. It's value as an art piece has been decided and the debate has already occurred.
Chuck it
‘We should keep up offensive public monuments that denigrate minorities to encourage artistic debate’ is so Slate-y I wouldn’t have believed it was real if I hadn’t read your post myself.I apologize for not conforming to the echo chamber
And I appreciate your inability to refute my argument.I appreciate your concern
Decided by who, the Ministry of Truth?
Why not We the People, through a vote of those people actually affected?Decided by who, the Ministry of Truth?
Whataboutism isn’t an argument, its a logical fallacyAnd I appreciate your inability to refute my argument.
So the majority gets to decide the interpretation of art and history? Or did you just realize that’s what you’re doing.Why not We the People, through a vote of those people actually affected?
But it is funny that you're trying to pretend to be a victim of authoritarianism here while you're trying to prevent people in cities you don't live in from having a say in what monuments you would have them adorn their cities with. Or did you just not realize that's what you're doing?
I don’t care either way, I object to the sudden hyper sensitivity over statues, and the fact that people are now ripping down the same statues they probably passed repeatedly without ever paying them much thought. Local governments are allowing this to happen because it’s a useful distraction from their utter failure in addressing the underlying socio economic conditions driving the unrest.Decided by me and my friends.
I told them.
Everyone agreed that no one really gave a crap about it and that more people talked about "primitive Africans" than Roosevelt when looking at the statue.
People will miss the food carts out from than the actual statue.
Why the hell do you care if a museum wants to change up the entrance.. It's not like its a good statue. Millions of visitors a year and the thing gets more negative reaction than positive reactions and the majority of reactions is "thats what that thing is supposed to be? Roosevelt?"
If you want a tribute to Roosevelt, walk inside the fucking museum.
No, the majority gets to decide what statutes and monuments to adorn their cities with. Or how do you think the statues and monuments that are already there got there in the first place?So the majority gets to decide the interpretation of art and history? Or did you just realize that’s what you’re doing.
An accurate observation of your arguments and behavior is not whataboutism.Whataboutism isn’t an argument, its a logical fallacy
This should end the discussion but somehow I doubt it will.No, the majority gets to decide what statutes and monuments to adorn their cities with. Or how do you think the statues and monuments that are already there got there in the first place?
I gotta say, this straw man of yours was pathetic even by your low standards.
I don’t care either way, I object to the sudden hyper sensitivity over statues, and the fact that people are now ripping down the same statues they probably passed repeatedly without ever paying them much thought. Local governments are allowing this to happen because it’s a useful distraction from their utter failure in addressing the underlying socio economic conditions driving the unrest.
When you’re done beating up the straw people, let me knowYou believe that because you have no fucking clue what's driving the unrest.
Would it surprise you to find out that it's you? And by "you," I mean all the wingnut trolls, and their God-emperor, who do everything they can to keep the people in the cities down and then act like that's not what they're doing. What did you think was come of all that, from all your contemptuous patronizing concern?
When you and the rest of the Trump world are done labeling peaceful protesters as terrorists, traitors, and anarchists because you disagree with their speech, and are done sending in the police to beat and tear gas them, or insisting that statues and monuments to their ancestors' oppression be kept over them under the false guise of 'preserving history,' I'm sure the unrest will be over too.When you’re done beating up the straw people, let me know