All the more why women shouldnt drive SUV's ... not for the faint of heart.. its a bad accident..

[Electric Amish]

Here's the law for Utah..

amish

 

[Lucky]

Ahhh, your'e from Utah. I guess that explains it all. Sorry for insulting you, I should have known it was just a regionally genetic thing for you.. My apologies.

 

[OS]

<< Here's the law for Utah.. >>




Why do you have such a huge ass stick up your butt about the law? Do you not realize that the letter of the law may not necessarily be the right thing to do?

Creative sued Aureal out of existence. What Creative did was perfectly legal. But I would have to say that was a f*cked up thing to do. Also cheating on one's GF would be a perfectly legal thing to do. But in both those cases, I would hope you don't use the law as a guide for behavior.

 

[Electric Amish]

Whether right or wrong, the laws must be followed. Otherwise there is just chaos.

amish

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< If people have the right to break the law by speeding, don't I have the right to drive the speed limit? >>


If you want to forget about law technicalities for a moment, wouldn't it make a whole lot of sense for people to drive in the lane that suits their speed? If you are in a leftside lane and there are cars behind you (presumably tailgating), then why not move into a rightside lane?

I think there's a lot of ego at work. You've got peeps who don't want to move because they are following the letter of the law and you've got peeps who don't want to give in because they are following the natural flow of the road. The two clash and boom! aggressive driving, road rage, whatever.

That's why I advocate drivers to quit worrying about speed signage all the time and instead worry about making sure their car's perimeter is reasonably safe from other cars. It is a bit safer to speed up temporarily in order to move into a rightside side than it is to have somebody tailgate you all the way. The tailgater will not quit, that is not in their nature. So just move out of the way. It may not be "morally ideal", but it will take the lid off any steaming pots.

 

[Lucky]

<< Whether right or wrong, the laws must be followed. Otherwise there is just chaos.

amish >>




must.....refrain......from....saying....bad.....things....about....utah....

 

[OS]

People like electric amish are the reason why the Holocaust became historical fact. Follow exactly what the authority figure says and don't do otherwise. When Hitler commanded that six million jewish people be executed, a nation of electric amishes blindly followed what the authority figure told them to do.

You know amish, you make a perfect textbook pyschology case study of the authority figure model. I'd suggest you read up on Milgram's electric shock experiments.

 

[desy]

I'm a blocker
Even blocked a cop out once, he pulled me over and asked why? I said he was speeding, he agreed didn't have his lights on.
Cops can't speed if their lights aren't on, they are subjet to the same laws as you.
He was in a ghost car BTW
So in traffic it is recommended . . . that you pull over for faster traffic.
I don't care if somebody is speeding but I block those lane changers out damn I hate those guys.
Change lanes 20X to move up 10 cars almost cause 3 accidents and you pull up to em at the same light. Bravo . . .

 

[Nitemare]

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<< Just get in the left lane next to a car in the right lane and match their speed. No one can pass! This is especially fun with kids in Mustangs or other American muscle cars, because they get so mad not being able to drive fast. It's delicious!!! >>


Oh, so you're the type that pulls these stunts! :|:|:|

Left lane is for PASSING. You are BREAKING THE LAW! I hope a cop gives you a ticket. It's illegal here in PA to cruise in the left lane and block traffic...they passed this law because of bad drivers like you. You are doing nothing but encouraging road rage. Keep your personal vendettas off the highway.

I don't care if you have a tailgater behind you. He's wrong, but don't play civilian cop by "making a statement". Pull the heck over into the right lane before somebody loses it and everybody's sorry. >>

Fvcking eh. God I hate people that do that blocking sh*t! >>



That is why they made those 5 mph bumpers to give a little push for those that don't know to get over or speed up :Q

My peeve is those that won't get over and drive below the speed limit.

 

[BoberFett]

Now this is classic ATOT. Electric Amish is an inconsiderate driver, and now he's responsible for the Holocaust.

God I love this place!

 

[StageLeft]

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<< Here's the law for Utah.. >>




Why do you have such a huge ass stick up your butt about the law? Do you not realize that the letter of the law may not necessarily be the right thing to do?

Creative sued Aureal out of existence. What Creative did was perfectly legal. But I would have to say that was a f*cked up thing to do. Also cheating on one's GF would be a perfectly legal thing to do. But in both those cases, I would hope you don't use the law as a guide for behavior. >>

tru

 

[Electric Amish]

LMAO!!

From traffic laws to the Holocaust!! That's a pretty good leap!

So you're saying if you don't agree with a law you can just act like it doesn't apply to you because YOU don't think it's fair/right?? That "no murder" law really sucks, so I'm not going to follow it and kill people anyway.

Laws are kind of an all or nothing thing.



Mithrandir That would be nice and probably how it should be. Until they change the laws, though, we're stuck with what we have and are obligated to follow them.

amish

 

[raz]

I'm a part-time polish roadblocker. If I see someone coming up on me while I'm in the left lane I move over without even thinking about it...no problem. But if someone is being a jackass, without giving me and others any respect at all (i.e. riding my a$$ while coming up to a red light, or jerking his/her car into the left lane behind me when I barely get ahead of him/her) then they get the mandatory rolling road block. I don't have a problem with people driving faster than me...just don't be a jackass about it.

 

[OS]

<< So you're saying if you don't agree with a law you can just act like it doesn't apply to you because YOU don't think it's fair/right?? That "no murder" law really sucks, so I'm not going to follow it and kill people anyway.

Laws are kind of an all or nothing thing. >>



NO. What one does is create their own internal ethical framework, that way it is not as subject to external influences.

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< Whether right or wrong, the laws must be followed. Otherwise there is just chaos. >>


If I got held up at gunpoint for money, am I going to scoff at the robber and say "you can't pull the trigger because that would be illegal." LOL!

So if you are clogging the left lane and driving the speed limit, don't assume the law will protect you from road rage. Sometimes you have to think for yourself and act spontaneously to protect yourself from harm. The best way to protect yourself from tailgaters is to stay out of their way. Speed limit signs mean nothing if your car gets smashed from behind and you're dragged to the hospital...or worse.

I'm hardly saying that law has no effect/purpose, but you need to comprehend the limits of its enforcement.

 

[StageLeft]

<< LMAO!!

From traffic laws to the Holocaust!! That's a pretty good leap!

So you're saying if you don't agree with a law you can just act like it doesn't apply to you because YOU don't think it's fair/right?? That "no murder" law really sucks, so I'm not going to follow it and kill people anyway.

Laws are kind of an all or nothing thing.



Mithrandir That would be nice and probably how it should be. Until they change the laws, though, we're stuck with what we have and are obligated to follow them.

amish >>

Well all laws should be considered based on their own merits. Obviously the no-murder law is a good one. In fact it's excellent. But speeding laws? Not necessarily. An old man in a big crappy car will be less safe at 60 mph than a younger guy with professional driving experience in a high performance car going at 65. Would you disagree? i doubt it. My point is to illustrate that for logistical and practical purposes there is one speed that is set as the law and it is a blanket statement, so that there are not graded speed signs and everything is a massive mess. Once you understand this you understand that in some cases it is entirely reasonable and safe to speed a reasonable amount, and in no way immoral. The problem comes when some people are wrong about what they think is safe, but that is a separate issue.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< NO. What one does is create their own internal ethical framework, that way it is not as subject to external influences. >>



So, what if my "ethical framework" says that I should be able to kill people??

That's why we have laws. Not everyone has the same ethics or even the same common sense. The law is a common footing for all to base their ethics and common sense upon.

amish

 

[StageLeft]

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<< NO. What one does is create their own internal ethical framework, that way it is not as subject to external influences. >>



So, what if my "ethical framework" says that I should be able to kill people??

That's why we have laws. Not everyone has the same ethics or even the same common sense. The law is a common footing for all to base their ethics and common sense upon.

amish >>

Amish I highly doubt that your morals and actions are based only upon the letter of the law with no consideration for personal ethics (and until the law is PERFECT then nobody SHOULD base all their actions upon it). What you say is write as well. If you think it's ok to murder people you can go ahead but the rest of society will get you.

 

[OS]

<< So, what if my "ethical framework" says that I should be able to kill people??

That's why we have laws. Not everyone has the same ethics or even the same common sense. The law is a common footing for all to base their ethics and common sense upon. >>



So then what do you do when the law says you must be part of the Holocaust?

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

<< how do u not notice 2 people and parts of a motorcycle on top of your hood? >>

When the driver is doped up or otherwise brain-impaired.

 

[Forever42]

<< This isn't a reason why women should drive SUV's, it's a reason why NO ONE should drive SUV's. They're hazardous and they make people drive like arrogant maniacs. I'm constantly being tailgated by a@@holes in SUV's who think they can make me move if they ride my tail. I just slow down or create a Polish roadblock to screw them. >>




<< I don't see how I'm in the wrong if I'm going the speed limit. If I'm going the speed limit, why does anyone need to pass me?? Tha would mean they were breaking the law. >>



Oh, yes, yes! I love you people! I do the same thing and am damn proud of it. You people who are pissed about this shouldn't be speeding or shouldn't be on my ass. I do this if someone tails me, most definitely.

 

[Electric Amish]

<< So if you are clogging the left lane and driving the speed limit, don't assume the law will protect you from road rage. Sometimes you have to think for yourself and act spontaneously to protect yourself from harm. The best way to protect yourself from tailgaters is to stay out of their way. Speed limit signs mean nothing if your car gets smashed from behind and you're dragged to the hospital...or worse. >>



I don't care about myself.



<< So then what do you do when the law says you must be part of the Holocaust? >>



Move to a different country.




<< Well all laws should be considered based on their own merits. Obviously the no-murder law is a good one. In fact it's excellent. But speeding laws? Not necessarily. An old man in a big crappy car will be less safe at 60 mph than a younger guy with professional driving experience in a high performance car going at 65. Would you disagree? i doubt it. My point is to illustrate that for logistical and practical purposes there is one speed that is set as the law and it is a blanket statement, so that there are not graded speed signs and everything is a massive mess. Once you understand this you understand that in some cases it is entirely reasonable and safe to speed a reasonable amount, and in no way immoral. The problem comes when some people are wrong about what they think is safe, but that is a separate issue. >>



The speed limit is a maximum. You can go slower, to a certain extent, relative to your driving abilities and the impairment to surrounding traffic.

amish

 

[StageLeft]

The speed limit is a maximum that most people drive at regardless of vehicle, so it makes perfect sense to raise it, ideally, for certain other people. Since this isn't possible you should be willing to give them a bit of slack from a moral standpoint.



<< Oh, yes, yes! I love you people! I do the same thing and am damn proud of it. You people who are pissed about this shouldn't be speeding or shouldn't be on my ass. I do this if someone tails me, most definitely. >>

Do you really think they know why you're doing this? No. they sit there and fume and become potentially violent. To them you're just another a-hole in the passing lane. Unless there is some sort of commonly understood thing why people do what you do then there is no point to it.

Anyway you guys realize that you're breaking the law in an attempt to enforce another one, don't you?

 

[mithrandir2001]

Pllfffffft....well, all the air just came out of that balloon!

That's OK, I have to go home soon and don't want my blood pressure raised for the drive home (a Friday night, too...the worst!)

 

[extro]

<<Why would people want to pass if I'm going the speed limit??>>


Maybe because your car is a junker and they're afraid to be behind you?

Maybe they're taking a pregnant woman to the hospital, or someone who's seriously ill?

Basically, it's none of your business why they need to go faster than you. You're not a cop.

And maybe you're not going the speed limit in the first place? When's the last time you had your spedometer calibrated or checked the inflation of your tires?