"All the world will denounce the SONY", re. The Interview

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OrByte

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Don't know about all the North Korea hate. There is no published evidence that the Sony attack originated there. Besides isn't it obvious that anyone with a grudge against Sony would do their best to make it appear that the attack came from North Korea?

Perhaps a better question would be why was Sony such a soft target? After all:
Reportedly, the attack code wasn't very sophisticated.

... Craig Williams, senior technical leader for Cisco’s Talos Security Intelligence and Research Group, in an interview with Ars. “The code is simplistic, not very complex, and not very obfuscated.”

Though, I do think that the attack is significant irregardless of where the attack came from... The fact that a major organization like Sony could leave itself vulnerable to attack by code that is "...simplistic, not very complex..." seems like major management malpractice to me...

Just my perspective, I think that organizations like Sony have an obligation to have decent information security... Blaming some crazy Asian for Sony's problem doesn't seem productive... Leave your door unlocked long enough, some one is going to walk through it...

Continue with your revenge fantasy if you want, but you might want to ask one of the still living crewmen from the USS Pueblo how much US deterrence impacts North Korean behaviours...

Uno

revenge fantasy?

interesting post.....
 

TreVader

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I am pretty sure there were looney tunes shorts showing the characters killing Hilter.



The movie Hot Shot showed us dropping a bomb in Saddam's lap.



If Russia made a stupid comedy of trying to poison Obama and it going horribly wrong, I wouldn't care, but I think my outrage drive is broken.


Are you really comparing a cartoon to a $43,000,000 Hollywood production? To add to that, the examples you gave were incidental in the context of the cartoon and movie. The ONLY topic in this movie is assassinating Jong Un.
 
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I am pretty sure there were looney tunes shorts showing the characters killing Hilter.

The movie Hot Shot showed us dropping a bomb in Saddam's lap.

If Russia made a stupid comedy of trying to poison Obama and it going horribly wrong, I wouldn't care, but I think my outrage drive is broken.

Don't forget Naked Gun, where the film opens with Leslie Nielsen beating the shit out of the Ayatollah, Gaddafi, Gorbachev, Arafat, Castro and some other heads of state considered enemies of America at the time. And of course there's Team America: World Police. Using real leaders in film (and doing horrible things to those leaders) is not a new thing.
 

TreVader

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Don't forget Naked Gun, where the film opens with Leslie Nielsen beating the shit out of the Ayatollah, Gaddafi, Gorbachev, Arafat, Castro and some other heads of state considered enemies of America at the time. And of course there's Team America: World Police. Using real leaders in film (and doing horrible things to those leaders) is not a new thing.


If you can't understand the difference between a movie where the whole plot line centers around the assassination of a sitting world leader and a move where there is a single scene where amongst a scene with many other world leaders one gets killed, or between that and fucking puppets, then as I said before you are an idiot and I can do nothing for you.

I'm all for patriotism but you are defending the Hollywood wing of a Japanese company that idiotically endangered its own employees and our citizens and caused a diplomatic clusterfuck. There is nothing patriotic about this and Sony deserves to be massively fined for this.
 
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If you can't understand the difference between a movie where the whole plot line centers around the assassination of a sitting world leader and a move where there is a single scene where amongst a scene with many other world leaders one gets killed, or between that and fucking puppets, then as I said before you are an idiot and I can do nothing for you.

I'm all for patriotism but you are defending the Hollywood wing of a Japanese company that idiotically endangered its own employees and our citizens and caused a diplomatic clusterfuck. There is nothing patriotic about this and Sony deserves to be massively fined for this.

Freedom of speech allows people to say monstrously stupid things, like, for example, making a movie joking about killing the current leader of a real country, or this load of horseshit that you just posted. That's the whole point of freedom of speech; the idea that unpopular or downright stupid opinions have value too. I thought this movie looked absurd, I thought Sony was dumb to make it, and, frankly, I'm not bummed out in the slightest that it won't be taking up valuable screen real estate at my local multiplex. But I also think Sony's response to a terrorist threat is ridiculous and undermines the whole point of freedom of speech. That's one of the fundamental values that makes us better than North Korea; we shouldn't let them scare it out of us. Because, in the truest sense of a silly phrase, if we change our values out of fear of reprisal, the terrorists win.
 
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If you can't understand the difference between a movie where the whole plot line centers around the assassination of a sitting world leader and a move where there is a single scene where amongst a scene with many other world leaders one gets killed, or between that and fucking puppets, then as I said before you are an idiot and I can do nothing for you.

I'm all for patriotism but you are defending the Hollywood wing of a Japanese company that idiotically endangered its own employees and our citizens and caused a diplomatic clusterfuck. There is nothing patriotic about this and Sony deserves to be massively fined for this.

Once again, have you seen Team America World Police?
 

TreVader

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Freedom of speech allows people to say monstrously stupid things, like, for example, making a movie joking about killing the current leader of a real country, or this load of horseshit that you just posted. That's the whole point of freedom of speech; the idea that unpopular or downright stupid opinions have value too. I thought this movie looked absurd, I thought Sony was dumb to make it, and, frankly, I'm not bummed out in the slightest that it won't be taking up valuable screen real estate at my local multiplex. But I also think Sony's response to a terrorist threat is ridiculous and undermines the whole point of freedom of speech. That's one of the fundamental values that makes us better than North Korea; we shouldn't let them scare it out of us. Because, in the truest sense of a silly phrase, if we change our values out of fear of reprisal, the terrorists win.

Freedom of speech does not cover yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Why? Because *it endangers people's safety*. That is EXACTLY what Sony has done here.
 

unokitty

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revenge fantasy?

interesting post.....

Maybe its just me. But I think that the North Koreans has shown themselves to be dangerous. And I wouldn't blame them if the viewed the US as a 'paper tiger.'

Pueblo incident provides some context. USA Today
The electronic spy ship Pueblo, which sat in international waters off the coast of North Korea, was on its first voyage there when a group of North Korean ships and aircraft attacked it Jan. 23, 1968, and forced its captain to bring the ship to the port of Wonsan.

For almost a year, the ship's crew, led by Cmdr. Lloyd "Pete" Bucher, was tortured and interrogated by the North Koreans. They suffered from near-starvation and post-traumatic stress disorder.

..."Thanks to the traitorous radioman, the Russians knew the tactics American aircraft carriers would use in wartime and how to sabotage U.S. spy satellites," Cheevers said.

•The previously classified NSA history that calls the loss of the Pueblo one of the worst security breaches ever...

After 11 months of torture and starvation, the crew of the Pueblo was released in December 1968 after a series of negotiations with the North Koreans and a false apology by the United States...
The US tolerated the capture of one of its warships along with the imprisonment and torture of its crew.

Anyone that thinks that the US will have a kinetic response to the Sony hack lacks an understanding of history...

Then again perhaps, "What man learns from history is that man doesn't learn from history."

Uno
 
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Freedom of speech does not cover yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Why? Because *it endangers people's safety*. That is EXACTLY what Sony has done here.

There is not a single legal scholar, lawyer, judge or legislator who would agree with your interpretation of the limits of the first amendment that offending a world leader in a different country meets the criteria to have speech restricted. Not a single one. You are demonstrably wrong about your understanding of free speech. I'm not arguing that it wasn't stupid of Sony to make this picture; I'm saying that legally, they have the right to. Their capitulation to terrorist threats is absurd.
 

HTFOff

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Freedom of speech does not cover yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Why? Because *it endangers people's safety*. That is EXACTLY what Sony has done here.




Sony didn't pull the movie because they constantly dwell on the well being of random movie goer's or for fear of possible litigation against them.

There is no credible threat right now.

They pulled the movie because these guys have sony by the balls at the moment. They yielded.

The hell you tombout.
 
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Freedom of speech does not cover yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Why? Because *it endangers people's safety*. That is EXACTLY what Sony has done here.

Actually yes it does.

In 1969 that ruling was changed to speech that is false and specifically directed with the intention to start a riot.
 

dainthomas

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Freedom of speech does not cover yelling "fire" in a movie theater. Why? Because *it endangers people's safety*. That is EXACTLY what Sony has done here.
Hyperbole much?

Now making a movie that offends someone is "endangering people's safety" if some unbalanced crackpot threatens people? Here's an idea, why not actually blame the person doing the threatening? Pretty crazy, I know.

Unless of course you believe that Sony should have divined that a logical consequence of making this Seth Rogan movie is that North Korea declare war on the United States.
 

justoh

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It's more like simply crying in a movie theater, because your ridiculous leader is being understandably mocked.
 

TreVader

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Hyperbole much?

Now making a movie that offends someone is "endangering people's safety" if some unbalanced crackpot threatens people? Here's an idea, why not actually blame the person doing the threatening? Pretty crazy, I know.

Unless of course you believe that Sony should have divined that a logical consequence of making this Seth Rogan movie is that North Korea declare war on the United States.


Lol. Yes I think that Sony should have "divined" this attack in the same way that someone "divines" the possibility of hitting the ground when jumping off a high place.

Why don't you make a movie about assassinating Putin. If you actually had any money to do that, and tried, you would not live long. Hence why this has never been done before.

But you dumb fucks are so caught up in your "patritiotic" bloviating so who cares if Americans die, right? It's not like your fat ass has anybody to go to the movies with anyway!
 

corwin

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Can you tell the difference between a puppet and a person? Or "world" and "just North Korea"?


Kim Jong Un can.
And can you tell the difference between a shitty comedy that is pure fiction and a country making a video seriously threatening to nuke your dumb ass?

Kim Jong Un can.
 

lozina

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Couldn't SONY get sued if they did not call off the movie and there was some attack - knowing there was a threat to public safety?
 

dainthomas

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Lol. Yes I think that Sony should have "divined" this attack in the same way that someone "divines" the possibility of hitting the ground when jumping off a high place.

Why don't you make a movie about assassinating Putin. If you actually had any money to do that, and tried, you would not live long. Hence why this has never been done before.

But you dumb fucks are so caught up in your "patritiotic" bloviating so who cares if Americans die, right? It's not like your fat ass has anybody to go to the movies with anyway!
Just to be clear, you think it's okay for North Korea to engage in cyber-terrorism and murder if something REALLY makes them mad? Gotcha.
 
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