All this time, I never realized it.. Star Trek Next Generation theme song is STOLEN!

MDesigner

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I was playing some MAME games (if you don't know, don't ask) and I loaded up Vanguard.. an old space arcade game from 1982--and lo and behold, I hear the Star Trek: The Next Generation theme song! (if you have Vanguard, load it up and hear for yourself!)

Someone should notify SNK (the company that made Vanguard) and tell them to sue whoever produces ST:TNG.
 

kru

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actually the theme song was ripped off from Star Trek the Motion Picture which came out in 1979.

if anyone should be sued it should be SNK for ripping off the Star Trek theme song.
 

Valhalla1

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umm.. I thought it was like an old ass orchestral piece written forever ago.. as in - anyone can use it


 

MDesigner

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Really? I thought Star Trek (the original series) had its own theme song. The Next Generation has a totally different theme song. Star Trek has the spooky "oooooohooooooooh" theme song.
 

NFS4

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<< Really? I thought Star Trek (the original series) had its own theme song. The Next Generation has a totally different theme song. Star Trek has the spooky &quot;oooooohooooooooh&quot; theme song. >>


You're thinking about the TV series, not Star Trek The Motion Picture. The TNG theme song indeed is in ST TMP
 
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MDesigner

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Ah, you're right.

Looks like SNK ripped off Star Trek then! Damn.. not as big a lawsuit now.
 

Valhalla1

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once again I need to bring up the question - I was under the impression that the theme song was like a mozart piece or something, paramount (star trek TNG) doesn't own the music piece, how could they sue over it?
 

NFS4

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<< once again I need to bring up the question - I was under the impression that the theme song was like a mozart piece or something, paramount (star trek TNG) doesn't own the music piece, how could they sue over it? >>


Nobody is suing anybody...they are just being facetious.
 

kru

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Valhalla1: it isn't public domain. the theme song was written specifically for the star trek motion picture by Jerry Goldsmith. found this snippet on a site regarding the theme song:

&quot;Goldsmith brought back to life his original Star Trek: The Motion Picture theme, which had earned him an Academy Award nomination in 1979 and an Emmy in 1987 (for the TNG TV show).&quot;
 

UberNeuman

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Don't forget that Vanguard also ripped off Queen. &quot;Attack Of The Hawk Men&quot; is heard in the game. Still a good game, but I like Gyruss better...
 

MDesigner

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You're right about that song from Flash Gordon. I thought that sounded familiar.

It's a good thing SNK didn't put any Metallica songs in their video game!
 

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The funniest part is that the US national anthem melody is an old British pub song and Francis Scott Key only changed the words. A report on that on Twenty-Twenty a few years ago was hilarious. Most US citizens who they interviewed did not know that historical fact.

Anacreon origins
The score

I
To Anacreon in Heaven, where he fat in full glee,
A few fons of Harmony fent a petition,
That He their Infpirer and Patron would be;
When this anfwer arrived from the Jolly Old Grecian
&quot;Voice, Fiddle, and Flute,
&quot;no longer be mute,
&quot;I'll lend you my Name and infpire you to boot,
&quot;And, befides, I'll infruct you like me to entwine
&quot;The Myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's Vine.


II
The news through OLYMPUS immediately flew;
When OLD THUNDER pretended to give himfelf Airs
&quot;If thefe mortals are fuffer'd their Scheme to perfue,
&quot;The Devil a Goddefs will ftay above the Stairs.
&quot;Hark, already they cry,
&quot;In tranfports of Joy,
&quot;Away to the Sons of ANACREON we'll fly,
&quot;And there, with good Fellows, we'll learn to entwine
&quot;The Myrtle of VENUS with BUCCUS'S Vine.


III
&quot;The YELLOW-HAIRED GOD and his nine fufty Maids
&quot;From Helicon's Banks will incontinent flee,
&quot;IDALIA will boaft but of tenantlefs Shades,
&quot;And the bi-forked Hill a mere Desart will be
&quot;My Thunder, no fear on't,
&quot;Shall foon do it's Errand,
&quot; and, dam'me! I'll fwinge the Ringleaders, I warrant,
&quot;I'll trim the young Dogs, for thus daring to twine
&quot;The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCUS'S Vine.


IV
APOLLO rose up; and faid, &quot;Pr'ythee ne'er quarrel,
&quot;Good King of the Gods, with my Vot'ries below:
&quot;Your Thunder is ufelefs.&quot; - then, fhewing his Laurel,
Cry'd, &quot;Sic evitabile fulmen, you know!
&quot;then over each Head
&quot;My Laurels I'll fpread;
&quot;So my Sons from your Crackers no Mifchief fhall dread,
&quot;Whilst fnug in their Club-Room, they jovially twine
&quot;The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCUS'S Vine.


V
Next MOMUS got up, with his rifible Phiz,
And fwore with APOLLO he'd cheerfully join
&quot;The full Tide of Harmony ftill shall be his,
&quot;But the Song, and the Catch, &amp; the Laugh fhall be mine
&quot;Then, JOVE, be not jealous
Of thefe honeft Fellows.
Cry'd JOVE, &quot;We relent, fince the Truth you now tell us;
&quot;And fwear, by OLD STYX, that they long fhall entwine
&quot;The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCUS'S Vine.

VI
Ye fons of ANACREON, then, join Hand in Hand;
Preferve Unanimity, Friendfhip, and Love!
'Tis your's to fupport what's fo happily plann'd;
You've the Sanction of Gods, and the FIAT of Jove.
While thus we agree
Our Toaft let it be.
May our club flourish happy, united and free!
And long may the Sons of ANACREON intwine
The Myrtle of VENUS with BACCUS'S Vine.
Play the melody.



To Anacreon In Heaven (Ralph Tomlinson et alii)

 

DigDog

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wtf you been drinking.
the Vanguard "powerup" theme is from Flash Gordon, released 1 year prior.
 

Torn Mind

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Stealing shows a lack of ethics although not necessarily(edit) a lack of talent on (the) thief.

Mozart might have crossed the line to make the Magic Flute. Time and ignorance have led the common classical fan to think the theme is original when it is by Clementi. However, the development of said theme is all Mozartian. The "flow like oil" bar-to-bar. The fact the instruments are essentially singers, and weaved together contrapuntally. That's the difference between a talent like Clementi and a exceptional talent like Mozart.

Likewise, the soundtrack of Chrono Trigger is essentially influenced by 80's pop but made into its own by Mitsuda. Sirius from the Alan Parsons Project contributed the rhythm used in most of the "Time" pieces. Rick Astley for Robo's theme, and Mariah Carey's Dreamlover for Peaceful Days and "Epilogue - To Good Friends" draws inspiration from Music Box, the track.
 
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"Sirius from the Alan Parsons Project contributed the rhythm used in most of the "Time" pieces. "


If you're talking about Dark Side of the Moon, that was released in '73 with Parsons as the Sound Engineer. Sirius didn't come out until '82

I don't know what other 'Time' pieces you might mean.
 

Torn Mind

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"Sirius from the Alan Parsons Project contributed the rhythm used in most of the "Time" pieces. "


If you're talking about Dark Side of the Moon, that was released in '73 with Parsons as the Sound Engineer. Sirius didn't come out until '82

I don't know what other 'Time' pieces you might mean.

The music from the video game Chrono Trigger, Corridors of Time. The rhythmic similarity is there. The mood is clearly the "Zen-like" quasi-Eastern feel of some 80s pop, of which Belinda Carlisle's Circle in The Sand also is "quasi-Eastern" from its instrumentation.

Excerpt from "Death Sea - Tower of Ruin":

The Epilogue - "To Far Away Times - Chrono Trigger Ending Theme (HQ)".
https://youtu.be/y_S6z1LsGM8?si=AgkrMKFIXRYzaHjs
Shares the same rhythm, the mood is drastically different.

Sirius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feoHV5JUbuo

Most brazen is Robo's Theme and the Rick Astley-sung songs of Never Gonna Give You Up and Together Forever. I notice the intro to Robo's Theme bares considerable similarlty to the backing accompaniment in the middle section where there is no singing in Together Forever. Unlike the others, which could be argued as "inspired by", the nature of Robo's Theme would cross the line in plagiarism, to giving Astley would get a cut if Astley was aware and ever chose to sue.


Robo's theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLis3WHJzMk
Together Forever instrumental middle section: https://youtu.be/E9de-cmycx8?si=LETbDAOmKBib_ev-&t=119


A redditor noticed more than I did(because he listened to more than I have so far):
https://www.reddit.com/r/chronotrig...s_chrono_triggers_music_plagiarised_where_do/

As a tangent, image or "anti-image" matters in the selling of music. There are those who buy the latest, and then those who pride themselves on buying anything but the latest mainstream. Regardless, the cold truth, is that it is not merits of the music, but the "image" that sanitizes some consumers. Both viewpoints are mere selling points for companies.
So some think they're all better because they listen to "composers" instead of "pop" but it's "disguised and adapted" pop in video game music if we're talking Chrono Trigger.
 
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