All those running pirated Windows XP - read this!

[sc0tty8]

Resistant means that it would not be able to be pirated, thats why MS had the activation procedure, but people found a way to get around that. M$ shot themselves in the foot when they where demoing it. They demo'd it to compnies that said they can not demo it if it requires activation to work. I read about that. Beta testers shared the ISO'z and such. Did you know you can install win98 w/o a serial?? You can install almost ANY M$ product w/o the serial. I have access to the beta site(cuz I did some beta testing) and they got programs/workarounds on how to have it by-pass the serial for like OEM licenses.

 

[DeRusto]

Originally posted by: wjsulliv


Especially considering the following:
The first person/business running a legal install of XP who has their computer shut down by this update, will sue microsoft to hell and back, for crashing their computer and messing up their files/business.

large businesses and corporations can obtain special versions of winxp which do not need to be activated. there is no activation because it is known that these will be liscensed for use on a large amount of computers.

this means two things:
a) corporations will not be screwed by someone else using their activation code
b) measly hackers can get ahold of such copies for their own, very easy, personal use. no fuss, no hassle of activation..its that simple

 

[wjsulliv]

DeRusto, you confuse me.

Are you suggesting that Corporate editions of XP will not be effected by this lockout/shutdown?

It was my understanding, from reading the artile and otherwise, that there was a corporate copy of XP out there that everybody seems to have. And thus all installs running that cd-key were going to be black listed?

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: DeRusto

Originally posted by: wjsulliv
a) corporations will not be screwed by someone else using their activation code
b) measly hackers can get ahold of such copies for their own, very easy, personal use. no fuss, no hassle of activation..its that simple

First 'b', yes pretty easy to get ahold of. But your wrong about 'a', it does screw over the corporation. Microsoft winds up revoking their license key and reissuing it, they become responsible for redistributing the new key within the enterprise.

Bill

 

[Nothinman]

How many of you people saying Windows isn't worth what MS chargers have ever done any programming? I would venture to say none of you.

How can you judge the worth of something when you have no idea how it works or how much work it took to produce?

 

[DeRusto]

what i have said is true as far as my copy goes

and at least as far as my knowledge goes

i have taken into understanding that there is a corporate editon that does not require the activation in order to work, it still takes a cd key but the activation has been taken out of the process.

unless the upgrade checks based on the cd key and not whether it has been activated multiple times i dont see how this can affect the corporation. but i dont see how this can be affective since they cannot tell how many people have used the cdkey unless it has been used to obtain an activation code..

as far as i can tell, my logic is not flawed..but if it is, please dont hesitate to correct me

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
How many of you people saying Windows isn't worth what MS chargers have ever done any programming? I would venture to say none of you.

How can you judge the worth of something when you have no idea how it works or how much work it took to produce?

This the most sane comment made in this entire thread.........

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: DeRusto
what i have said is true as far as my copy goes
and at least as far as my knowledge goes
i have taken into understanding that there is a corporate editon that does not require the activation in order to work, it still takes a cd key but the activation has been taken out of the process.
unless the upgrade checks based on the cd key and not whether it has been activated multiple times i dont see how this can affect the corporation. but i dont see how this can be affective since they cannot tell how many people have used the cdkey unless it has been used to obtain an activation code..
as far as i can tell, my logic is not flawed..but if it is, please dont hesitate to correct me

Your correct, the corporate version doesn't activate. However, the upgrade check is not going to be based on the number of activations, but rather on the 'well known' cd keys (license keys) that are floating around.
Bill

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8

Originally posted by: Nothinman
How many of you people saying Windows isn't worth what MS chargers have ever done any programming? I would venture to say none of you.

How can you judge the worth of something when you have no idea how it works or how much work it took to produce?

This the most sane comment made in this entire thread.........

programming is hard. pay for software so that i can get paid more when i get out of college. yeahn.

 

[flawedexistence]

I was going to let this whole thing slide but..................................why should I pay for my legit copy of XP and not say anything about you cheapsters who can't fork out the cash. The points about spending a lot of $$ on upgrades and then swiping the OS are very well taken. If all you boneheads hate Microsoft so much, why don't you use Linux? Oh, I remember! It doesn't work as well! Gee! What a revelation. MS can charge whatever they want, antitrust considerations not withstanding. This is called capitalism or the free market. Just what makes you think you're entitled to a free OS? Software piracy diminishes all of us; and I really don't give a rat's behind what MS has been convicted of in Europe................Whew! Sorry for the rant, but ye gods, has everyone lost their minds?

 

[rc5]

So what punishment do you guys think a home pirated XP user should get? Life sentence? 1 million dollars fine? And how much damage does he do? Given that's totally for personnal use.

Back 19th century, some poor soul did get 25-30 years in jail because he stole 2 slices of breads and tried to flee several times.

 

[THUGSROOK]

maybe if WinXP was worth paying for ppl would actually pay

i tried WinXP using a "free" copy. i hated it, deleted it w/in 24hours. threw the cd in the trash.
(sure glad i didnt pay for it)

Win98SE rules

 

[Nothinman]

Saying Win98SE rocks completely ruins your credibility...

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Saying Win98SE rocks completely ruins your credibility...

What credibility <- NOTE SMILEY

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
maybe if WinXP was worth paying for ppl would actually pay

i tried WinXP using a "free" copy. i hated it, deleted it w/in 24hours. threw the cd in the trash.
(sure glad i didnt pay for it)

Win98SE rules

You have got to be kidding....I wasn't to keen on XP myself when I started using RC1 and RC2, but I have found myself sticking with XP on a daily basis from now on(unless I decide to fire up the mac instead). On very few occasions do I ever have to boot into Win98 anymore as WinXP rarely, if ever gives me errors. I just can't see comparing the two. Spend some time with it, turn off the visual crap, figure out the differences, and you will see what I mean.

 

[hungrygoose]

It's call IP laws (Intelectual Property), and copyright laws. Copying sofware from them is no differant than copying music, copying patents. Your stealing something that someone made (an idea) not something physical, I dont know what country you live it but I'm sure they have copyright laws. Your arguement that copying it is not stealing it is very narrow minded and I hope that someday you either grow up or you spend a long time inventing something and than someone else copies your idea (steals it from you) so you can see why there are such things as copyright laws and patients.

-Spy

actually, if you read those copyright laws, that you so ademantly claim to know, you would see that copying software or music, for backup purposes, is perfectly legal....as long as you do not distribute the product, you are ok......so if i buy win98se and make ten copies of it, i have not broken any laws....just so long as i don't give someone else a copy, or intall a copy on another system

get your sh*t straight b4 u attempt to make someone appear stupid!

 

[Natej]

I'am ready for lindows

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: hungrygoose

It's call IP laws (Intelectual Property), and copyright laws. Copying sofware from them is no differant than copying music, copying patents. Your stealing something that someone made (an idea) not something physical, I dont know what country you live it but I'm sure they have copyright laws. Your arguement that copying it is not stealing it is very narrow minded and I hope that someday you either grow up or you spend a long time inventing something and than someone else copies your idea (steals it from you) so you can see why there are such things as copyright laws and patients.

-Spy

actually, if you read those copyright laws, that you so ademantly claim to know, you would see that copying software or music, for backup purposes, is perfectly legal....as long as you do not distribute the product, you are ok......so if i buy win98se and make ten copies of it, i have not broken any laws....just so long as i don't give someone else a copy, or intall a copy on another system

get your sh*t straight b4 u attempt to make someone appear stupid!

This whole thread is clearly about copying software for use, not for backup purposes. The backup point was already made, and Spy's post didn't attempt to refute that at all. So, it appears to me that his 'sh*t' is straight, and your just posting to argue.

Bill

 

[Zebo]

Stealing = Stealing

While this is true, stealing from the thieves guild is not exactly the same as ripping off a group of nuns. Microsoft has stolen and runs an illegal monopoly and uses lawyers and it's power to fight off their illegal actions. Same thing we should all do if ever caught doing something illegal (When you get caught warezing for instance )

BTW- Is'nt stealing considered theft of a tangible object while copyright violations is warez music/software? If you steal $150 worth of gas from Texaco they are actually out the price they paid for the gas and it's no longer available for sale. But if you download a copy of Word it has cost Microsoft nothing other than perhaps a potential loss of a sale to you. Clear difference IMO.

 

[Zebo]

MR. Bombastic wrote: Workin' is a twat.

I know you hav'nt been here long but that statement shows what a total looser you are. Workin' is one of the most helpful and most knowledgeable people here at the forums. And cause you don't agree with his well thought out response you come back with an insult (a bad one at that). Uncool looser.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

But if you download a copy of Word it has cost Microsoft nothing other than perhaps a potential loss of a sale to you. Clear difference IMO.

Umm...I beg to differ on that one. It cost Microsoft money to pay employees to develop Word, excel, etc. And don't forget the cost of manufacturing the cd, case labeling, manuals, packaging, and paying yet more employees to box it up and ship it. It's called an investment, and Microsoft wants to make a profit on that investment just like any other company.. SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, looses when the software is downloaded or "borrowed" instead of bought. Everybody is so hung up on Gates' income amount that they forget that there is actuall people there that work hard for their income. Plain and simple, when Microsoft makes more, the employees also make more...When the employees make more, they spend more, like going on vacations and such. That in turn benefits all in a local community(MY local community BTW). To say stealing software hurts no one is absolute bull$h!t.

Think about it..

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
But if you download a copy of Word it has cost Microsoft nothing other than perhaps a potential loss of a sale to you. Clear difference IMO.

Umm...I beg to differ on that one. It cost Microsoft money to pay employees to develop Word, excel, etc. And don't forget the cost of manufacturing the cd, case labeling, manuals, packaging, and paying yet more employees to box it up and ship it. It's called an investment, and Microsoft wants to make a profit on that investment just like any other company.. SOMEBODY, SOMEWHERE, looses when the software is downloaded or "borrowed" instead of bought. Everybody is so hung up on Gates' income amount that they forget that there is actuall people there that work hard for their income. Plain and simple, when Microsoft makes more, the employees also make more...When the employees make more, they spend more, like going on vacations and such. That in turn benefits all in a local community(MY local community BTW). To say stealing software hurts no one is absolute bull$h!t.

Think about it..

I don't warez and I already said it's still illegal. I was trying to draw the distinction of theft and intellectual propery/copywrite violations and they are there.. And almost everyone feels as long as your not trying to profit from the software sales/business or otherwise ther IS a clear FEELING of diffference between the two crimes. Which is why an accountant at XYZ company has little qualms about taking his copy of WORD home and installing it on his home PC. And at the same time this same individual would never smash your car window out and grab the $150 he see's in your ash tray at lunch.. happens every day.. From a moralistic and logical viewpoint these crimes are no different but since agiain MS looses absolutly nothing (since the accountant would have forgone the $350 Word purchase just to "check-it-out") they are victimless unlike my example where the gas station actually "lost" the gas.. Sure I would like everyone to purchase their CD's, mp3's, software but in real life things don't quite work out to what's right and wrong. See any microsoft case study is you don't believe me.

 

[GonzoDaGr8]

Carbonyl,

I understood what you were getting at and by no means was ranting on you personally. I just happened to quote part of your sentence in my soap-box speech/rant. I still feel that I make a point in my post and it pisses me off to no end to see others try to justify stealing software. Just for the record, I am in no way a big pro-Microsoft guy. I have in the past and still do disagree with many of their business practices, but a lot of their software I do like/use and I can't stand some peoples justification of piracy..

 

[HowDoesItWork]

Nothingman

"It kind of pisses me off since I really haven't seen much difference other than stability since Win 95."

If you've actually used Win95 and NT and you can't notice a stability difference you've got issues. Just normally use the Win95 box for a few weeks and I bet you reboot it several times a week, maybe even several times a day, NT can go months without rebooting, although eventually it will need rebooted; I'm not sure what MS does but they seem to make systems that really can't stand up to constant interactive usage."

Come on, you quote part of my passage and then didn't even read it? I said "...haven't seen much difference OTHER than stability..." meaning that stability was the only difference I have really seen. Yes, Win 98SE and NT are much more stable than Win 95. But that fits in with my racket comment. Microsoft will basically force you to upgrade OS due to support (or lack there of). And in the case of being forced from 3.1 to Win95 MS added insult to injury by releasing a crappy, unstable OS. Basically forcing you to upgrade to the next OS just to be decent stability..

I understand the legal point of copying software, but the EULA even seems to go beyond that. If I have read it correctly (I will go back and read it again, maybe I have misunderstood), having a gaming machine up in the game room and a computer in my home office both with Win 2000 installed (one purchased copy) is illegal even if the machines are never in use at the same time. The simple fact that the software is installed on two different computers is illegal, even if the computers are owned by the same person and never in use at the same time. (just as an ethics exercise, I'm not claiming this represents the normal 'pirating' scheme, though it is very close to my situation.)

 

[wjsulliv]

Can anybody shed some light on the rumored KEYGEN?

Not where can I find it, but does it work?