Allen officially concedes!

[SoulAssassin]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/09/va.senate/index.html

I think most of us knew this was coming but he sucked it up and conceded. Everything seemed to be going in this direction and there wasn't anything to indicate he was going to make up the vote so +1 for him for saving us having to drag this out until the end of the year.

Let the dancing and drinking begin! :music::beer:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Let the dancing and drinking begin! :music::beer:

BFT :thumbsup:

Unless of course you are Republican :laugh:

 

[jpeyton]

BOO YAH!

What a total asskicking.

 

[senseamp]

 

[Crackle19]

Democrats take Congress...NCAA Football on TV tonight...almost the weekend...time to drink!!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Let the dancing and drinking begin! :music::beer:

BFT :thumbsup:

Unless of course you are Republican :laugh:

Now it becomes time for put up or shut up.
6 years of :wine:; now lets see if anything has been learned and can the Dems deliver the goods.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper


Now it becomes time for put up or shut up.
6 years of :wine:; now lets see if anything has been learned and can the Dems deliver the goods.

I see the GOP talking points alredy made it to P&N. We'll see how many vetoes Bush starts signing, one in six years...

 

[herkulease]

I wonder with Allen conceding or any other candidate for that matter. will the registar of voters stop recounting even if they were forced to do so by law?

what I mean is say between candidate a and b. the margin is close enough that an automatic recount is triggered. As the recount is underway, Candidate A the one who was losing in the original count concedes. Does the recount stop right there or will it continue until it finishes?

 

[GoPackGo]

When do we get turned into Cybermen?

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Let the dancing and drinking begin! :music::beer:

BFT :thumbsup:

Unless of course you are Republican :laugh:

Now it becomes time for put up or shut up.
6 years of :wine:; now lets see if anything has been learned and can the Dems deliver the goods.

I expect based on GOP response so far, we'll have 2 more years of the :wine:, just from the other side.

Hey, you do know that critisizing the govt is encouraging terrorism right? Well, that's what you guys have been saying all these years at least, new rules?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Let the dancing and drinking begin! :music::beer:

BFT :thumbsup:

Unless of course you are Republican :laugh:

Now it becomes time for put up or shut up.
6 years of :wine:; now lets see if anything has been learned and can the Dems deliver the goods.

So what exactly are you saying? If we agree to put up, you'll agree to shut up?

 

[Jeff7]

From the article:

Allen has offered to help Webb transition to the job and the two will have lunch next week to talk about issues, Webb said.

I would so love to have a transcript of exactly what is actually said there.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

I expect based on GOP response so far, we'll have 2 more years of the :wine:, just from the other side.

Hey, you do know that critisizing the govt is encouraging terrorism right? Well, that's what you guys have been saying all these years at least, new rules?

Don't forget, "America: Love it or leave it."
I expect anyone who said that, and is now discontent, to take their own advice.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: herkulease
I wonder with Allen conceding or any other candidate for that matter. will the registar of voters stop recounting even if they were forced to do so by law?

what I mean is say between candidate a and b. the margin is close enough that an automatic recount is triggered. As the recount is underway, Candidate A the one who was losing in the original count concedes. Does the recount stop right there or will it continue until it finishes?

A concession is a gesture, not a legally binding act. The count will continue and once certified, if the margin is close enough to trigger an automatic recount, a recount will occur. If the margin is large enough, no recount will be triggered.

Allen conceeding is basically him saying "I will accept the results as they stand, without challenge."

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx

I expect based on GOP response so far, we'll have 2 more years of the :wine:, just from the other side.

Hey, you do know that critisizing the govt is encouraging terrorism right? Well, that's what you guys have been saying all these years at least, new rules?

Don't forget, "America: Love it or leave it."
I expect anyone who said that, and is now discontent, to take their own advice.

That's probably the dumbesst thing I've seen on this forum since the election. Are you trying to tell us that the last six years that democrats spent discontented about the state of the country, they didn't love the country? Eesh...

Contentment != Love

 

[HBalzer]

Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

This nation is falling apart and the elections prove there are more stupid people in this country than smart ones.

The economy is probably the best it?s ever been, Unemployment is the lowest it?s been in years, we haven?t had any terrorist attacks since sept 11th and yet so many Americans were deceived into thinking the Democrats can do it better.

Now I don?t agree with how the war is being handled and agree some things needed to change. Pull the troops out in a year regardless is not the answer.

I almost feel sorry for the democrats, they promised so many lies they will never be able to live up to. Let?s say in 2 years we have a Democrat president and they have full control. Then the economy starts to drop, unemployment goes up, gas prices rise or stay the same, people even poor people with kids realize they have to pay hundreds more in taxes because the child credit is cut in half among other things, Iraq is still a disaster with no end in sight, and we get attacked again by terrorist.

I prey none of this happens, but if it even half of it does democrats will no longer stand a chance in politics.

 

[nageov3t]

good to see the election get resolved quickly and not dragged out till Christmas.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

This nation is falling apart and the elections prove there are more stupid people in this country than smart ones.

The economy is probably the best it?s ever been, Unemployment is the lowest it?s been in years, we haven?t had any terrorist attacks since sept 11th and yet so many Americans were deceived into thinking the Democrats can do it better.

Now I don?t agree with how the war is being handled and agree some things needed to change. Pull the troops out in a year regardless is not the answer.

I almost feel sorry for the democrats, they promised so many lies they will never be able to live up to. Let?s say in 2 years we have a Democrat president and they have full control. Then the economy starts to drop, unemployment goes up, gas prices rise or stay the same, people even poor people with kids realize they have to pay hundreds more in taxes because the child credit is cut in half among other things, Iraq is still a disaster with no end in sight, and we get attacked again by terrorist.

I prey none of this happens, but if it even half of it does democrats will no longer stand a chance in politics.

This nation is falling apart and some things needed to change but it makes no sense to change the party in power? Ok...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

Well, there is history to back these people. What has changed dramatically in this country's election process since the 2004 elections? Nothing. Yet suddenly you don't hear mass reports of "voter disenfranchisement." Why is that?

Perhaps it's because it could've been BS in the first place.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

Well, there is history to back these people. What has changed dramatically in this country's election process since the 2004 elections? Nothing. Yet suddenly you don't hear mass reports of "voter disenfranchisement." Why is that?

Perhaps it's because it could've been BS in the first place.

I agree, actually, the complaints about voter fraud in 2004 were probably mostly BS. But what does that have to do with anything? Past results are not indicative of future performance, and Webb was not involved at all in 2004 unless I miss my guess.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

This nation is falling apart and the elections prove there are more stupid people in this country than smart ones.

The economy is probably the best it?s ever been, Unemployment is the lowest it?s been in years, we haven?t had any terrorist attacks since sept 11th and yet so many Americans were deceived into thinking the Democrats can do it better.

Now I don?t agree with how the war is being handled and agree some things needed to change. Pull the troops out in a year regardless is not the answer.

I almost feel sorry for the democrats, they promised so many lies they will never be able to live up to. Let?s say in 2 years we have a Democrat president and they have full control. Then the economy starts to drop, unemployment goes up, gas prices rise or stay the same, people even poor people with kids realize they have to pay hundreds more in taxes because the child credit is cut in half among other things, Iraq is still a disaster with no end in sight, and we get attacked again by terrorist.

I prey none of this happens, but if it even half of it does democrats will no longer stand a chance in politics.

This nation is falling apart and some things needed to change but it makes no sense to change the party in power? Ok...

I'd say it is a fairly common and generally correct practice to make judgments of what people will do based on what they have done in the past. That may be why so many people have apparently been repeating the same thing.

Nonetheless, I agree with you it is not a real big issue and yet it was the only one you commented on. I know you are probably going to say something like it is the only real issue you made, but you may surprise me and respond to my other point.

Do you not think this could be really risky for the Democratic Party, after many have promised to bring the troops home, and reduce gas prices.

If I was going to enter office I wouldn?t want to enter when the economy is the best it?s ever been. Chances are good it is going to go down, be it the democrats fault or not. Also, is it not risky that there could be another terrorist attack under the democrats watch?

People may not like the war in Iraq, but they really won?t like it if the economy fails or we are attacked by terrorist again. That would surely swing things back to the Republicans.

These are all hypothetical but very possible, are you as a democrat not worried a slight mess up could end your party forever?

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

This nation is falling apart and the elections prove there are more stupid people in this country than smart ones.

The economy is probably the best it?s ever been, Unemployment is the lowest it?s been in years, we haven?t had any terrorist attacks since sept 11th and yet so many Americans were deceived into thinking the Democrats can do it better.

Now I don?t agree with how the war is being handled and agree some things needed to change. Pull the troops out in a year regardless is not the answer.

I almost feel sorry for the democrats, they promised so many lies they will never be able to live up to. Let?s say in 2 years we have a Democrat president and they have full control. Then the economy starts to drop, unemployment goes up, gas prices rise or stay the same, people even poor people with kids realize they have to pay hundreds more in taxes because the child credit is cut in half among other things, Iraq is still a disaster with no end in sight, and we get attacked again by terrorist.

I prey none of this happens, but if it even half of it does democrats will no longer stand a chance in politics.

This nation is falling apart and some things needed to change but it makes no sense to change the party in power? Ok...

I'd say it is a fairly common and generally correct practice to make judgments of what people will do based on what they have done in the past. That may be why so many people have apparently been repeating the same thing.

Nonetheless, I agree with you it is not a real big issue and yet it was the only one you commented on. I know you are probably going to say something like it is the only real issue you made, but you may surprise me and respond to my other point.

Do you not think this could be really risky for the Democratic Party, after many have promised to bring the troops home, and reduce gas prices.

If I was going to enter office I wouldn?t want to enter when the economy is the best it?s ever been. Chances are good it is going to go down, be it the democrats fault or not. Also, is it not risky that there could be another terrorist attack under the democrats watch?

People may not like the war in Iraq, but they really won?t like it if the economy fails or we are attacked by terrorist again. That would surely swing things back to the Republicans.

These are all hypothetical but very possible, are you as a democrat not worried a slight mess up could end your party forever?

The economy is the best it's ever been? Why exactly do you think that? The economy is a very complex thing and you can't judge the state of the economy just by the stock market or unemployment. Those numbers are good right now, but they don't tell the whole story, not even close.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: HBalzer

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: HBalzer
Now see if Webb had lost he would have cried and moaned and dragged it out as long as he could.

Do you guys all get your talking points from the same place or something? Lacking actual issues to criticize the Dems on, you've all sunk to bitching about hypothetical behavior. Not to say that I don't think you guys have the, um, smarts to all come up with that on your own...it's just funny that you're all repeating EXACTLY the same talking point about what the Dems would have allegedly done.

This nation is falling apart and the elections prove there are more stupid people in this country than smart ones.

The economy is probably the best it?s ever been, Unemployment is the lowest it?s been in years, we haven?t had any terrorist attacks since sept 11th and yet so many Americans were deceived into thinking the Democrats can do it better.

Now I don?t agree with how the war is being handled and agree some things needed to change. Pull the troops out in a year regardless is not the answer.

I almost feel sorry for the democrats, they promised so many lies they will never be able to live up to. Let?s say in 2 years we have a Democrat president and they have full control. Then the economy starts to drop, unemployment goes up, gas prices rise or stay the same, people even poor people with kids realize they have to pay hundreds more in taxes because the child credit is cut in half among other things, Iraq is still a disaster with no end in sight, and we get attacked again by terrorist.

I prey none of this happens, but if it even half of it does democrats will no longer stand a chance in politics.

This nation is falling apart and some things needed to change but it makes no sense to change the party in power? Ok...

I'd say it is a fairly common and generally correct practice to make judgments of what people will do based on what they have done in the past. That may be why so many people have apparently been repeating the same thing.

Nonetheless, I agree with you it is not a real big issue and yet it was the only one you commented on. I know you are probably going to say something like it is the only real issue you made, but you may surprise me and respond to my other point.

Do you not think this could be really risky for the Democratic Party, after many have promised to bring the troops home, and reduce gas prices.

If I was going to enter office I wouldn?t want to enter when the economy is the best it?s ever been. Chances are good it is going to go down, be it the democrats fault or not. Also, is it not risky that there could be another terrorist attack under the democrats watch?

People may not like the war in Iraq, but they really won?t like it if the economy fails or we are attacked by terrorist again. That would surely swing things back to the Republicans.

These are all hypothetical but very possible, are you as a democrat not worried a slight mess up could end your party forever?

Well first of all, you're barking up the wrong tree...I'm not a Democrat, I simply happen to like the party at the moment. If they turn out to be a bunch of idiots now that they have regained a lot of control of the government, I'll be first in line to vote them out.

As for risks, obviously things could go bad...but it's also a mistake to suggest there is no room for improvement. The economy is not, in my opinion, "the best it's ever been". It's not bad either, but there is a lot of room for it go get even better. And while there have been no domestic terrorist attacks since 9/11, there is room for improvement there as well...unless you aren't counting the deaths of US troops or citizens of allied nations.

Your argument doesn't really seem specific to this particular situation. Things always can get worse or better, and this is no exception, it's up to the party in power to exercise leadership (hopefully working with the OTHER party) to make sure things get even better. Of course there is a chance things will get worse instead, but that's a risk you take when you get into a leadership position...I'm not sure this specifically applies to the Dems in any way.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor


The economy is the best it's ever been? Why exactly do you think that? The economy is a very complex thing and you can't judge the state of the economy just by the stock market or unemployment. Those numbers are good right now, but they don't tell the whole story, not even close.

Those are the most visible aspects of how the economy is doing. If the stock market starts to fall and unemployment is on the rise that is what people will notice. Do you not agree?

Yes, you may say the deficit is the highest it has ever been but how has that affected any one individual?

All I am saying is the Democrats have a lot to lose.

 

[Lemon law]

What we are witnessing is the slow gradual process of Republican control death in 11/2006---and we dems will not be productive in hurrying things along.

First there is denial---which is where most still are.

Then comes bargaining---what must be given up to pretend this didn't really happen.---where GWB seems to be in giving Rummy the old heave ho.

Finally comes acceptance----republican ideas were tried for six years---and you repubs blew it big time.---and like it or not---the Pelosi phrase---draining the republican swamp
will be one of the orders of business.

Us dems have already moved on---and we can and will bring on the ideas and legislation we were hired to do---and if we dems fail---we will risk receiving the same rejection
now enjoyed by the Repubs.

But realize also this is almost a 100% neo-con rejection---and the Republican neo-cons are the big losers in 06. With the possible exception of Lincoln Chaffee---the long term leadership
of the GOP remains in tact.---and these are people who can and will work with democrats---and their voices will be the voices that inspire the long term future of the GOP. Those that worked to save the senate Filibuster will still retain a national voice---and look for the Gingrich type partisan attack dog repubs to be eased out of GOP leadership slots.---with
McConnell and Boehner most likely to be eased out sooner or later.

GWB is that other joker in the deck---but as a lame duck---and the author of the 06 thumping---he will be of decreasing relevance as each day goes by.---and the dems may just leave the same disposal problem of GWB toxic waste up to the GOP.

07 should be an interesting year.