allofmp3.com is an ILLEGAL music download service

[Schadenfroh]

Looks like they made their own clone of itunes now:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1551

 

[halik]

well FVCKING DUH!

I love how idiots argued over and over that it's totally legal.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Looks like they made their own clone of itunes now:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1551

hahaha...i love the name

allTunes

 

[Scorpion]

The absolutely despisable part is the fact that they're actually profiting from selling music that isn't theirs, rather than just giving it away for free. That is FAR worse in my book than sharing music for free.

I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt. Noone in the international community is doing anything about it. Piracy is such a huge problem of there, but they are actually profiting off of it. We're basically giving ourselves away for free. It makes me sick. I certainly am not in the business of selling illegal copies of Russian movies and music.

 

[ultimatebob]

Ya know... If the RIAA and MPAA weren't such assholes, I might actually feel sorry for them. Their own download restrictions and copyright protection schemes caused people to flock to sites like allofmp3 to begin with.

Those gold records that the RIAA used to make were pretty, though. I'll give them credit for that.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Scorpion
I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt.

Agreed, I wish the WTO would crack down on it.

 

[GeneValgene]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Scorpion
I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt.

Agreed, I wish the WTO would crack down on it.

yea, china is crazy. not jsut movies/music too. i have worked as a supply chain consultant, and we have had to be careful about recommending chinese fabricators for certain types of goods even though they are cheaper - the reason is, they will steal the IP, then sell it themselves.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Scorpion
I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt.

Agreed, I wish the WTO would crack down on it.

yea, china is crazy. not jsut movies/music too. i have worked as a supply chain consultant, and we have had to be careful about recommending chinese fabricators for certain types of goods even though they are cheaper - the reason is, they will steal the IP, then sell it themselves.

Yup.

I work as a research scientist guy for a laboratory that does "oursourced" development and analytical work. Some of our clients have facilities in China and quite often we are contracted to run analysis on the stuff from China because they are known to cut corners and do things cheaply so the extra money goes into the pockets of the local officials. Additionally, in most cases, the stuff that is done in China are more like starting materials as opposed to the final proprietary product because of the very real possibility of having the IP stolen and sold off.

Furthermore it is pretty funny, and sad too, to see how people will argue over and over to justify stealing a product. I think that people who just admit to be lazy and cheap bastards are somewhat more acceptable, but the nimrods who attempt to justify their actions through a twisted sense of selfish morality are the worst sort of cretins.

 

[farlander]

While allofmp3.com might be illegal in other countries, it's perfectly legal in Russia. In Russia, all copyright fees are collected by a single organization, and the fee is a fixed fee. allofmp3.com pays that fee and is properly registered, under the Russian laws. Now, the fact that that organization - the one that collects the fees - does not pay anything to original owners of the copyright is a completely different matter, and if anything, they are the ones who should be held responsible, not allofmp3.com, which is only following the law to the letter.

As far as British lawsuit is concerned - I don't think allofmp3.com really cares: they are not registered in UK, and UK has no legal power in Russia, so if I were them - I'd simply ignore whatever subpoenas they serve: they simply have no legal standing. How about Russia sues the entire US for using an illegal currency - in Russia you can only offer any goods for roubles and it is strictly prohibited to sell it using any other, non-russian currency. So how about Russian courts issue a subpoenas to all US companies, which sell things for US Dollars? No? I didn't think so.

There's a good saying in Russia, which, being freely translated to English, would generally mean something like "don't set _your_ rules in _my_ house". Russia is a separate entity, it has its own government and own laws and everyone in Russia should abide by those laws, not by US laws, nor by UK laws, not by any other country's laws. And no other country has any legal (nor even moral) right to tell to people of Russia what they should and should not do.

 

[bot2600]

Good place to preview music based on your taste

 

[Rock Hydra]

I paid for this service because it made getting music easy, DRM free and painless. I gladly paid for the convenience.

 

[bigfil]

ah well it will go down in a fiery death just like the rest of em
hehe

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: farlander
And no other country has any legal (nor even moral) right to tell to people of Russia what they should and should not do.

Unless your country has the RIAA and MPAA, both of which think they own the world (guilty )

 

[Shaftatplanetquake]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: farlander
And no other country has any legal (nor even moral) right to tell to people of Russia what they should and should not do.

Unless your country has the RIAA and MPAA, both of which think they own the world (guilty )

They are engaging in commerce with individuals and companies all around the globe. I understand that it is a "virtual" service which they are providing. Internet matters currently are not under a single jurisdiction, but under many. There are a lot of holes where a person can do something legally on the internet that would be illegal if they did a similar equivelent in a publicly moderated local place. I myself enjoy this, as to most ATOTers, much more than the average citizen of an average country. I think that the internet should stay free, but the big powers out there really hate it. Its a good thing that the little guys still own in the internet arena due to their numbers, intelligence, and talent. Eventually it will largely be ripped right from us, a lot of the public believes it already has been due to their ignorance/false assumptions/gullibility, but largely its free right now, so enjoy it while you can.

PTP (torrents), NNTP, Internationally based cheap download services, warez, reverse engineering scenes, ... come on people.. its so awesome to be a part of these things. For many people here at home its one of the few freedoms we can still take advantage of without catching all kinds of hell (and I'm also talking about freedoms that are also completely LEGAL).

 

[wetcat007]

Actually, whether or not is legal is kind of up in the air I've heard, the some import law technically makes it legal, not sure though. But i think everyone is aware that the poor music execs don't see any of the money.

 

[us3rnotfound]

I think in this country, it's innocent until proven guilty

 

[Anubis]

i still dont care

 

[Evadman]

Originally posted by: Jzero
And in other news, a group of scientists finally concluded that two plus two is, indeed, equal to FOUR.

Actually, 2 + 2 = 5. For moderately large values of 2.

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Scorpion
The absolutely despisable part is the fact that they're actually profiting from selling music that isn't theirs, rather than just giving it away for free. That is FAR worse in my book than sharing music for free.

I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt. Noone in the international community is doing anything about it. Piracy is such a huge problem of there, but they are actually profiting off of it. We're basically giving ourselves away for free. It makes me sick. I certainly am not in the business of selling illegal copies of Russian movies and music.

WTF did you expect? Can you expect people that make $10 a day to spend $15 on a CD ?

I fail to see what you are giving away.. the people wouldn't buy one disc at $15.


Not sure if you noticed, but china duplicates everything, not just cds..

 

[wazzledoozle]

It may be illegal, but where else can you DOWNLOAD cd quality music? DRM sucks.

 

[ForumMaster]

no kidding. those sites are never legal. i'd rather buy from iTunes or something like that to actaully help the artist.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: farlander
While allofmp3.com might be illegal in other countries, it's perfectly legal in Russia. In Russia, all copyright fees are collected by a single organization, and the fee is a fixed fee. allofmp3.com pays that fee and is properly registered, under the Russian laws. Now, the fact that that organization - the one that collects the fees - does not pay anything to original owners of the copyright is a completely different matter, and if anything, they are the ones who should be held responsible, not allofmp3.com, which is only following the law to the letter.

As far as British lawsuit is concerned - I don't think allofmp3.com really cares: they are not registered in UK, and UK has no legal power in Russia, so if I were them - I'd simply ignore whatever subpoenas they serve: they simply have no legal standing. How about Russia sues the entire US for using an illegal currency - in Russia you can only offer any goods for roubles and it is strictly prohibited to sell it using any other, non-russian currency. So how about Russian courts issue a subpoenas to all US companies, which sell things for US Dollars? No? I didn't think so.

There's a good saying in Russia, which, being freely translated to English, would generally mean something like "don't set _your_ rules in _my_ house". Russia is a separate entity, it has its own government and own laws and everyone in Russia should abide by those laws, not by US laws, nor by UK laws, not by any other country's laws. And no other country has any legal (nor even moral) right to tell to people of Russia what they should and should not do.

Holy Dead Thread Resurrection Batman!
wow lets dig up some other 6 month old threads and post to them too! and STILL not have any updated info worth bumping the thread for...

GoodGame 1 post newb!

 

[drwho9437]

Originally posted by: DigDug
What does "illegal" mean? And I don't mean that facetiously.

If the Russian authorities are fully aware of AllofMp3.com and yet have done nothing to prosecute it, it stands to reason that calling it "illegal" in Russia is something an irrelevant exercise.

Here's the *bottom* line. Why should we follow laws, when the laws themselves are made by the private industry? Copyright laws are probably the clearest example of backpocketing of the U.S. legislature by big business.

I'll pay for music when they pay the musicians.

What do you do for a living? I guess I'll won't pay you for whatever it is until they pay you the wage I want your boss to pay you.

Intellectual property is property. Copyright has been along a long long long time. There are plenty of issues and blame to go around but not obeying copyright is wrong period end of story. Fair use is fine, stealing is not.

 

[drwho9437]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
It may be illegal, but where else can you DOWNLOAD cd quality music? DRM sucks.

Try eMusic, legal non-RIAA and a fair amount of good music, for 25c a track. Not lossless but good enough for almost anyone not paranoid.

 

[drwho9437]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: GeneValgene

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Scorpion
I've had friends that have traveled to China and Russia. If any of you doubt that a huge portion of their economy is based off of selling the things that they steal from us, you've got your head up your butt.

Agreed, I wish the WTO would crack down on it.

yea, china is crazy. not jsut movies/music too. i have worked as a supply chain consultant, and we have had to be careful about recommending chinese fabricators for certain types of goods even though they are cheaper - the reason is, they will steal the IP, then sell it themselves.

Yup.

I work as a research scientist guy for a laboratory that does "oursourced" development and analytical work. Some of our clients have facilities in China and quite often we are contracted to run analysis on the stuff from China because they are known to cut corners and do things cheaply so the extra money goes into the pockets of the local officials. Additionally, in most cases, the stuff that is done in China are more like starting materials as opposed to the final proprietary product because of the very real possibility of having the IP stolen and sold off.

Furthermore it is pretty funny, and sad too, to see how people will argue over and over to justify stealing a product. I think that people who just admit to be lazy and cheap bastards are somewhat more acceptable, but the nimrods who attempt to justify their actions through a twisted sense of selfish morality are the worst sort of cretins.

As a fellow scientist, well said.