AllofMP3 Raises Prices

[yukichigai]

Allofmp3's prices are close to what you should be paying for a CD anyway. If only their coverage was better; why don't they have the first Lostprophets album, or the newest Gravity Kills?

I hear tell they're implimenting support for FLAC. Anybody seen/heard/done anything relating to that? With their prices as low as they are I could probably download all my music at 100% quality with FLAC or Ogg Vorbis and still pay under $5 per album.

Buickbeast: ROMS gets fees from Allofmp3, which in turn go to the artists from which ROMS secures permission. The RIAA's claim is that Allofmp3 is illegal only because 1) the money doesn't go to the producers and record labels, and 2) the producers and record labels weren't asked for permission. My conscience(sp?) is clear; the artists get money, the moneygrubbing suits get cut out of the loop. Works for me.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: kyparrish
lol! they DOUBLE prices, and it only goes up 1cent per meg

In Soviet Russia, meg owns....Oh, forget it.

lmao

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: ViRGE
If you're going to get something from them, get it now before they're sued.

Oh, that's just wonderful :|

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: 50
I cancelled my membership a couple weeks ago. If the RIAA sues them will I probably be sued as well?

Like the Really Irritating Anal Avengers have any legal rights whatsoever in Russia.

 

[dartworth]

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=681

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: dartworth
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=681

oh noes, time to spend the balance...

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Buickbeast: ROMS gets fees from Allofmp3, which in turn go to the artists from which ROMS secures permission. The RIAA's claim is that Allofmp3 is illegal only because 1) the money doesn't go to the producers and record labels, and 2) the producers and record labels weren't asked for permission. My conscience(sp?) is clear; the artists get money, the moneygrubbing suits get cut out of the loop. Works for me.

And if ROMS hasn't secured permission from the artist (and no one has proved ROMS has permission to distribute the copyrighted work of any U.S. artists), who gets the money? ROMS, no doubt. Can you prove that any artist here in the U.S. is actually receiving any royalty fees from ROMS or allofmp3.com? Until you can, your unfounded assertion that "artists get money" from this service is just BS. Your conscience is obviously clear because you apparently don't have one.

 

[DurocShark]

But ROMS is following the law by paying artists. The opinions of RIAA is this (quoted from Muskateer's site):

The Music Industry claims that Allofmp3 is illegal. Their opinion is that recorded music has three sets of rights. The songwriter has the copyright to the song, the artist his own rights in it, and the record label and producers a third set. Allofmp3 is paying the songwriters, via the collection agency ROMS, but they are acting without the permission of the other copyright holders.

ROMS is required to pay the artists. The law in Russia does NOT require them to pay the RIAA. I wouldn't be surprised if the per-song fees paid to the artists aren't equal to what they get from iTunes (though I kinda doubt it..)


EDIT: I should clarify, that in many countries, copyright is NOT held by a distribution company nor is it held by a performer if that performer didn't write the music. Copyright is held by the original creator.

Using that view, the screenwriter would own the copyright to a movie, not the studio, not the director, not the actors. Only the creative effort is given copyright.

The US and most western nations have taken the legal position over the past few decades that full copyright is transferrable by contract. But some countries don't. Limited licensing is all that is permitted under their law.

Do I agree with that legal position? Not really. If someone wants full rights to one of my photographs, I like the idea of being able to sell those rights. However, I have no problem taking advantage of that position in other nations.

As far as US Citizens violating the law by purchasing downloads from AllOfMP3: The laws of both the US and Russia fail to recognize the Internet in this case. So our downloads MUST be interpreted as if we flew to Russia, bought the music, and flew back with that music as baggage.

 

[tart666]

i guess it's time their legal theory was put to the test... hopefully the russian law enforcement will be quite as arbitrary as always, then the site still has a chance

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
You can legally buy/download mp3-songs from this site if it does not breaks the law the national legislation of the country in which you will be during that moment .

Anyone buying these mp3's in the U.S. is 'breaking the law of the national legislature of the country' in whose jurisdiction they currently are. ROMS has no more authority to grant a license to distribute music outside of Russia (unless they've got an agreement with the original copyright holder, which has not been established by anyone) than you or me. It is NOT legal for people in the U.S. to use this site to get mp3 files, and posting legally-incorrect articles by other idiots doesn't make it so. The only things which would persuade me otherwise is either a federal court opinion or a statement from the original copyright holder. Anything else is probably just the ramblings of the uninformed.

OK, so I proxy through Kazakhstan. I WIN!

I suppose in a few decades, when the law is more cut-and-dry on matters of the internet, I'll look back on these days with fondness...

 

[friedrice]

I use mp3search.ru to download my music, only 10 cents per song. I think the music business forgets that they are actually making more money then ever before, and also that many of the songs people download they wouldn't have gone out and bought because cds costs so much. Heck, iTunes is a rip off. iTunes overhead costs are dirt cheap, and they still charge the same amount for a cd. Anywho, least I now have legal mp3's, and if they do become illegal, I still have a lot of good songs I wouldn't have known about before

 

[edro]

Soooo..... is ALLOFMP3 Legal? Because I may have just signed up and downloaded a few albums...

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: edro13
Soooo..... is ALLOFMP3 Legal? Because I may have just signed up and downloaded a few albums...

Perhaps you should read this.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: edro13
Soooo..... is ALLOFMP3 Legal? Because I may have just signed up and downloaded a few albums...

Perhaps you should read this.

Doh! I said I MAY have... And if I did sign up, I would probably want to hurry up and download the rest of the money I added to the account soon, before the site goes down.

 

[Slick5150]

The article says they're looking into it, it doesn't say they're shutting them down. If they do find that the site is operating illegally, then so be it, people will stop using it.

Unforunately for the music industry, that's going to push people back into downloading music for free, so that isn't going to solve anything

 

[Slappy00]

fixed

Licensed attorney since 1996.
Practicing federal law since 1997.
Hoping to work for the RIAA since 1994.
<-----

OMG here come the lawyers run 4 ur lives ahhhh i dont understand the law omgomgomg !!11unounodos


Seriously, though Its best left to the courts, and if my assumption is right Russia will do squat, esp if they are to satisfy a (mostly) American entity.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: PinwiZ
The article says they're looking into it, it doesn't say they're shutting them down. If they do find that the site is operating illegally, then so be it, people will stop using it.

Unforunately for the music industry, that's going to push people back into downloading music for free, so that isn't going to solve anything

It solves other people profiting from stolen music as I said in the first place!

But you're a lawyer..you know how it works.

 

[tart666]

so ... looks like March 7 is come and gone... can we assume nobody is charging them with anything?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Wired said it was legal.

They said that free ipods were legit too.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: KirbsAw
Wired said it was legal.

They said that free ipods were legit too.

cuz they are.

MIKE

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: MrLuckyPants

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: dartworth
Does it matter...it's not legal for US users to d/l from that site. It is the same as using Kazaa or Suprnova and paying for it.

I haven't seen any evidence backing that up.

Evidence

Interesting article. I'd suggest that everyone interested in AllofMP3 read it to get a better understanding of the fuzzy international legalities involved.

after clicking that link, an Allofmp3 banner popped up. hmm... not trying to draw obtuse connections, but maybe that site has a bias for allofmp3 and isn't exactly objective.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: yukichigai
Allofmp3's prices are close to what you should be paying for a CD anyway. If only their coverage was better; why don't they have the first Lostprophets album, or the newest Gravity Kills?

I hear tell they're implimenting support for FLAC. Anybody seen/heard/done anything relating to that? With their prices as low as they are I could probably download all my music at 100% quality with FLAC or Ogg Vorbis and still pay under $5 per album.

Buickbeast: ROMS gets fees from Allofmp3, which in turn go to the artists from which ROMS secures permission. The RIAA's claim is that Allofmp3 is illegal only because 1) the money doesn't go to the producers and record labels, and 2) the producers and record labels weren't asked for permission. My conscience(sp?) is clear; the artists get money, the moneygrubbing suits get cut out of the loop. Works for me.

once again, yopu're quoting a site affiliated with allofmp3. quoting a biased source directly affiliated with what you're trying to defend is a bit weak