Almighty AT masters of the Culinary arts, point me in the direction of a knife set.

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,532
27,834
136
Go ahead and use a wood cutting board if you want. Whatever you use, just be sure to bleach it down regularly. Making your own is kind of fun. Here's mine:



Like I said, bleaching it down is important.
 

NinjaTech

Banned
May 14, 2009
279
0
0
My Chicago Cutlery set is providing fine service at 21 years.

I also use Chicago Cutlery. They are high quality and you can get them at Walmart. They really keep their edge well. I keep my knife set really sharp so that they can cut straight through a chicken bone.
 

Numenorean

Diamond Member
Oct 26, 2008
4,442
1
0
What is so great about these boards? It seems like they are using hard and soft wood fibers shaped into a cutting board.

They don't dull knives like some wood boards can. You can toss them in the dishwasher to wash them. They are anti-bacterial unlike many other wood cutting boards.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
16,240
7
76
I'll stick with the $3 knives and a sharpening stone with wood cutting board. I can resharpen when they get dull . Clean wood cutting boards with salt and vinegar and you are ready to cook.
 

JM Aggie08

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
8,184
813
136
Some really great suggestions here guys

You were right to a fairly decent extent, Perk hehe.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
69,532
27,834
136
Also, you can hop down to St Vinnie's and pick up a knife or three for a buck or two, a cutting board for a dollar, buy a sharpening stone at the hardware store, and call it good.

On side note, my wife just came in and showed me the pork roast wrapped in an agave leaf she is about to put in the solar oven. Mmmmm, roast pork.
 

JulesMaximus

No Lifer
Jul 3, 2003
74,472
867
126
I have a set of Henkels knives (been collecting various Professional S series knives over the years) but find myself using the paring knife and the 10" chef's knife the most. The paring knife is serrated so I don't need to sharpen it, the chef's knife just needs an edge which I can accomplish with the steel in just a few minutes. It is sharp enough to thinly slice a tomato with ease.

I have two bamboo cutting boards, a small round one and a large rectangular one.

You could buy these two and they throw in a block for free.

http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=16574

http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=50

Or get this starters set for a little less money but still get the free block.

http://www.cutleryandmore.com/details.asp?SKU=16010
 
Last edited:

DrPizza

Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Mar 5, 2001
49,606
166
111
www.slatebrookfarm.com
I have a set of Cutco in a block & a set of Chicago Cutlery in a block. The Cutco knives are overpriced & imho, the CC knives are crap for quality. BUT, I use the CC knives more often, simply because of where that block is. Plus, the CC set has a sharpener which I use fairly frequently - I love a good sharp knife. And, I won't use that sharpener with the Cutco knives - instead, one of these days, I've gotta have one of my friends take my knives in to sharpen for me (I live very close to Cutco, hence the set was purchased cheaply.)
 

Bignate603

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
13,897
1
0
I'm lucky enough to live near a store that sharpens knives for $3 each for normal stuff. The guy that does it is great and gets a much nicer edge on it than I can ever get by hand.
 

da loser

Platinum Member
Oct 9, 1999
2,037
0
0
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/dining/09mini.html?_r=1

I started with an eight-inch, plastic-handle stainless alloy chef’s knife for $10. This is probably the most essential tool in the kitchen. People not only obsess about knives (and write entire articles about them), but you can easily spend over $100 on just one. Yet go into any restaurant kitchen and you will see most of the cooks using this same plastic-handle Dexter-Russell tool. (Go to the wrong store and you’ll spend $20 or even $30 on the same knife.)
 

Doggiedog

Lifer
Aug 17, 2000
12,780
5
81
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/dining/09mini.html?_r=1

I started with an eight-inch, plastic-handle stainless alloy chef’s knife for $10. This is probably the most essential tool in the kitchen. People not only obsess about knives (and write entire articles about them), but you can easily spend over $100 on just one. Yet go into any restaurant kitchen and you will see most of the cooks using this same plastic-handle Dexter-Russell tool. (Go to the wrong store and you’ll spend $20 or even $30 on the same knife.)

That article loses credibility when it says rice cookers are not essential. Has that person ever tried to cook rice in a pot before? Hell yeah rice cookers are essential, especially for Asian families.
 

JM Aggie08

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
8,184
813
136
I've taken in everything I've read in this thread, and have narrowed it down to two choices.

Guy Fieri's 8" chef's knife:
http://www.amazon.com/Guy-Fieri-Knuc...9556800&sr=1-1

Why: Ergonomic design (i have massive hands), pulverizer on the end, plus i like the tacky color scheme. The price isn't half bad either.

Global 8" Cook's knife:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...namitedata.com

Why: Numerous positive reviews, solid design, and it's one solid piece of steal.

Weigh in your personal decisions on these two knives. The future of my cooking lies in your clammy hands.
 

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
48,513
221
106
I bought Shun chef's & paring knives as a gift a year or so ago...they seem to be doing very well. Amazon occasionally runs significant sales on them.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
28,058
38,566
136
I wonder how many threads would come up if you did a search for kitchen knife recommendations?

Anyway, concerning cutting boards I feel the need to sound off. First off, glass and marble cutting boards should never be used. They ruin your edges, and can break themselves. All kinds of Fail there. Synthetic materials like that white polymer stuff work, but not all of them contain anti-bacterial benefits. For these you have to constantly disinfect them with cleansers after use, and/or cook the bugs to death in the dishwasher. If that works for you, and you don't mind the generic look, then more power to you. Just realize that the more you use them (i.e. scoring the surface with blades) you create more areas for bacteria to hide and thrive. The autoclave like action of dishwasher helps here, but a simple wipe down with Clorox or whatever might not do the trick all the time.

Wood cutting boards, providing they are from the right species of tree, are the superior choice IMO. Blade safe, nice appearance, but most importantly the natural anti-bacterial nature of wood fiber (particularly coniferous woods, yellow pine is great) prevents bacteria from having a place to grow. That faint turpentine-like smell from cut, dry pine? That's the wood's natural protection letting you know it's on the job. The draw back is you can't make use of easy cleaning methods like the dishwasher, or modern chemical cleaners. The anti-bacterial benefits are more pronounced in some species of wood than others. Pines rate very well, my favorite ironwood block is pretty close in aroma and i love the heft to it. I call it my kitchen anvil. Grabbed one for my lil sis who just graduated culinary school as she really dug it. They can be had from wokshop.com btw, as well as ones made from yellow pine I believe.

My main point though, was that a wood cutting board is not un-hygenic. Quite the opposite actually.

When I'm done I wash it with soap and warm water, wipe it off, stand it up on it's edge and let it dry. Every few months I hit it with some mineral oil.
 
Last edited:

JM Aggie08

Diamond Member
Jan 3, 2006
8,184
813
136
I wonder how many threads would come up if you did a search for kitchen knife recommendations?

Anyway, concerning cutting boards I feel the need to sound off. First off, glass and marble cutting boards should never be used. They ruin your edges, and can break themselves. All kinds of Fail there. Synthetic materials like that white polymer stuff work, but not all of them contain anti-bacterial benefits. For these you have to constantly disinfect them with cleansers after use, and/or cook the bugs to death in the dishwasher. If that works for you, and you don't mind the generic look, then more power to you. Just realize that the more you use them (i.e. scoring the surface with blades) you create more areas for bacteria to hide and thrive. The autoclave like action of dishwasher helps here, but a simple wipe down with Clorox or whatever might not do the trick all the time.

Wood cutting boards, providing they are from the right species of tree, are the superior choice IMO. Blade safe, nice appearance, but most importantly the natural anti-bacterial nature of wood fiber (particularly coniferous woods, yellow pine is great) prevents bacteria from having a place to grow. That faint turpentine-like smell from cut, dry pine? That's the wood's natural protection letting you know it's on the job. The draw back is you can't make use of easy cleaning methods like the dishwasher, or modern chemical cleaners. The anti-bacterial benefits are more pronounced in some species of wood than others. Pines rate very well, my favorite ironwood block is pretty close in aroma and i love the heft to it. I call it my kitchen anvil. Grabbed one for my lil sis who just graduated culinary school as she really dug it. They can be had from wokshop.com btw, as well as ones made from yellow pine I believe.

My main point though, was that a wood cutting board is not un-hygenic. Quite the opposite actually.

Not a problem for me though. When I'm done I wash it with soap and warm water, wipe it off, stand it up on it's edge and let it dry. Every few months I hit it with some mineral oil.

This is good news. Was planning on ordering a couple nice wooden cutting boards. What are your thoughts on bamboo, though?
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
28,058
38,566
136
It's hard to go wrong with a Global, but I would make sure you know what you're getting as far as an edge. Japanese style knives are often a chisel grind design, sharpened on one side only to make a more piercing edge. Problem is that means the blade wants to move laterally when you're cutting downwards, a big no no for some cooks. Could also make sharpening a hassle depending on your skill level in that endeavor.

If it's a classic chef knife, sharpened on both sides, then you can touch it up with a steel when you need to - which shouldn't be often as Global's recipe for steel and temper is renowned for it's edge retention.

I'd play it safe. Go find a cutlery store and actually hold different knives in your hand - then hunt down your fav online and order it.
 

ussfletcher

Platinum Member
Apr 16, 2005
2,569
2
81
I got a set of Ginsu knives for my Dad for Christmas. Everyone loves the look and feel of them (quality) and they cut anything and everything very quickly and easily. I highly recommend them.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
28,058
38,566
136
This is good news. Was planning on ordering a couple nice wooden cutting boards. What are your thoughts on bamboo, though?


Although I've never owned one, it's my understanding that they are easy on your blades, never need oiling (bamboo is immune to water, and thus, cracking caused by water) but may not rate as well in regards to bacteria as a block of pine. Price wise they are great though.
If cost is a concern, I suggest you check out the end block maple boards from Norpro. I have a rectangular one with a blood groove in it that I got for I think $30. Great piece, it's what I break out for guests who insist on helping in the kitchen. Gorgeous too.

Hope that helps!
 

RagingBITCH

Lifer
Sep 27, 2003
17,619
2
76
Although I've never owned one, it's my understanding that they are easy on your blades, never need oiling (bamboo is immune to water, and thus, cracking caused by water) but may not rate as well in regards to bacteria as a block of pine. Price wise they are great though.
If cost is a concern, I suggest you check out the end block maple boards from Norpro. I have a rectangular one with a blood groove in it that I got for I think $30. Great piece, it's what I break out for guests who insist on helping in the kitchen. Gorgeous too.

Hope that helps!

Snobs tend to think bamboo is slow compared to normal wood. Personally, and for most people, unless you're a professional chef, you won't notice the difference. I love my bamboo...and it makes for an nice serving tray for cheese or whatever you're putting out for parties.
 

glenn1

Lifer
Sep 6, 2000
25,383
1,013
126
I'd play it safe. Go find a cutlery store and actually hold different knives in your hand - then hunt down your fav online and order it.

I agree with this - my wife loves the couple of Global knives we have (8" chef and 7" vegetable that I mentioned earlier), but the handle seems a bit slender for my tastes and I'll use cheaper knives instead that feel better in my hand. Ergonomics are as important as any other factor when it comes to kitchen knives, and it's impossible to know what feels right to you without trying some out first.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
16,240
7
76
The best way to clean a wood cutting board is vinegar and salt. It is even better than cleaners and soap. They did a test of various boards and what to use :
http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents/Cutboard.html

Experimental Procedure
Ground beef, 85%-lean was purchased at a local retail supermarket and was allowed to remain on the counter in the microbiology laboratory for 24 hours at room temperature. At the end of this time, the aerobic plate count (APC) of the ground beef was determined to be approximately 12,000,000 colony forming units (CFU) per gram.

Three food contact surfaces were evaluated in these experiments.
A commercial hard maple cutting board, 12"x18"x11/2", Pro-Chef, from Boos Company, Effingham, IL
Plastic cutting board, 12"x18"x11/2", Plasti-Tuff, from Teknor Apex, Pawtucket, RI
Stainless steel surface in the form of the outside bottom of a stainless steel 12"x20"x4" pan, from Volwrath, Sheboygan, WI
These surfaces were marked off in squares equivalent to 8 square inches (2.8"x2.8"). To simulate contaminated surfaces, approximately 1 ounce of ground beef was smeared, using a paper towel, over the surfaces for approximately 2 minutes until there was a maximum saturation of ground beef adhering to the surfaces.

Each surface was then sampled using dacron-tipped swabs that were rinsed in letheen broth. Each swab was wetted, rubbed across the surface in one direction, rinsed in 10 ml letheen broth, rubbed in the opposite direction, and rinsed a second time. Appropriate dilutions were made and plated on aerobic count PetrifilmTM. The PetrifilmTM was incubated at 35ºC for 48 hours.

In Experiment 1, the contaminated surfaces were simply wiped with home-style dish cloths that had been rinsed in 3 solutions:
Tap water
1 part 5% white vinegar (H.J. Heinz, Pittsburgh, PA) combined with 4 parts water
A 200-PPM quaternary ammonium compound sanitizer (Red Sink Sanitizer, Jefco Laboratories / SMS Technologies, Chicago, IL)
In Experiment 2, the conventional 3-step wash-rinse-sanitize procedure was used. A Viking #43 brush (Sparta Brush Company, Sparta, WI) was used to scrub the 3 surfaces in 4 gallons of detergent solution (Yellow Dishsoap, Jefco Laboratories / SMS Technologies, Chicago, IL). The surfaces were rinsed in flowing water. Then, a 200-PPM quaternary ammonium compound (Red Sink Sanitizer, Jefco Laboratories / SMS Technologies, Chicago, IL) was squirted from a bottle onto each surface.

In Experiment 3, each of the 3 surfaces was sampled before and after scrubbing under flowing, 100-110ºF water for 30 seconds using a Viking #43 scrub brush.




xperiment 1 demonstrated that rinsing a cutting board with a solution of 1 part 5% vinegar to 4 parts water was a more effective sanitizer than using a quaternary ammonium compound solution for removing aerobic bacteria from a food contact surface. Assuming that there are not more than 1,000 Salmonella per 8 square inches (which is a high estimate), vinegar would be effective in reducing the numbers of this pathogen on surfaces to a safe level with no other treatment. Using only water and using a quaternary ammonium compound solution were quite similar in their sanitizing performance, but not as effective as the vinegar solution. The data indicate that a lower population of bacteria was present on the stainless steel surface. This is an indication that bacteria do not adhere to stainless steel as easily as to plastic and wood surfaces. The data also indicate that bacterial contamination is much easier removed from a stainless steel surface.

In Experiment 2, it is evident that the rinsing-after-washing process does little to reduce bacterial counts, even though the surfaces were rinsed with flowing water. Applying the quaternary ammonium compound solution had essentially no value. This has been apparent in practical sampling of food contact surfaces in retail food operations. The data indicate that washing surfaces with the detergent solution was the critical step for removing aerobic bacterial contamination from food contact surfaces.

Experiment 3 shows the practical value of the pre-wash, rinse, and scrub before putting the cutting board into the detergent-and-water sink. Simply scrubbing the cutting board in flowing water, without the use of a detergent reduced the bacteria enough that even if there were a heavy load of Salmonella, Campylobacter jejuni, or other pathogens, there would be so few pathogens remaining that the surface would be considered safe. Putting a cutting board containing pathogens into a clean detergent solution in a sink merely contaminates the wash water.

Conclusions
The FDA code and health departments across the United States have emphasized the use of sanitizing chemicals as the critical point for making food contact surfaces safe. These data show that this assumption is not always accurate. Wiping the surface with a clean cloth soaked in vinegar appears to be a very effective sanitizer, based on the data. Simply rinsing and scrubbing a dirty surface with flowing water seems to be more effective than cleaning and sanitizing food contact surfaces with a cloth dipped in a quaternary ammonium compound solution. It is also known that when a quaternary ammonium compound solution becomes dirty in an open bucket into which dirty cloths are dipped, the solution becomes susceptible to degradation by filth, dirt, and other debris. As a result, the solution does not remain at its beginning strength over a period of 2 hours that the solution is used. The quaternary ammonium compound solution used in this experiment was dispensed from a squirt bottle to maintain its effectiveness and prevent degradation.
 
Last edited:

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
96,201
15,785
126
I have a Chinese cleaver for slicing and dicing veggies, a Tramontina French chef (~ 25 year old) for meat work and a 6" sandoku for small jobs.
 
Last edited:

notposting

Diamond Member
Jul 22, 2005
3,485
28
91
I would hesitate before buying some $100 knife. I picked up some-basic-brand "chef's" knife for around $25 at Kroger and it's more than enough for me. Then again, 192 kbps mp3's sound okay to me as well

Instead of a block, though...how about a Mag-Blok??. Very nice quality.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |