Am I a close-minded bigot?

[Jzero]

Supremely hot, large-breasted women with a tendency toward skimpy costumes who possess the ability to kick ass without falling out of the aforementioned costumes are extremely hard to find in real life.

You just don't know where to look

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

What do you know about human nature? We are naturally curious beings . . . well everybody except Bush. I don't have any third party accounts but what are the odds Adam went for the right hole on his first try?

Let's say you don't adhere to Judeo-Christian ethos and want a more evolutionary view. Let's see . . . heterosexuals and homosexuals may have been roughly equivalent in numbers early on, doesn't really matter. If homosexuality has some genetic component . . . odds are the heterosexuals (and homosexuals pretending to be heterosexual) were a lot more successful at passing those genes on than their homosexual counterparts . . . including heterosexuals that just wanted to toss an occasional salad.

In the old days childbirth had a high degree of morbidity and mortality. If average lifespan of a woman was significantly diminished (in comparison to males who were busy killing one another or getting mauled by wild animals) you would have more men than women. Hence you would see breeding patterns where strong males inseminated multiple females . . . and other males would get zero poontang. Accordingly they explored other options . . . small animals, shellfish, other males.

Now that doesn't explain female homosexuality. Let's see, the best men were strong like bull but had no stamina. Unsatisfied women resorted to pleasing themselves and quickly discovered they could please one another.

Everything above is quite reasonable and somewhat logical . . . and total BS. A better explanation consistent with Ockham's Razor . . . some tried and liked, others tried and did not like, those who liked it (possibly due to predilection or environmental factors) kept doing it, those who didn't like it didn't care . . . unless of course they weren't having any fun. In that case misery likes company so they decided to spoil it for everybody else by regulating sex for EVERYBODY. Well that's not quite Ockham but close.

Some people really like Objectivism: The Philosophy of Reason

``My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievements as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.'' Ayn Rand

It effectively blunts their olfaction to the extent they fail to smell their own BS even when they've got it on their clothes, their face, and a big wad in their hands.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: jackpot

As for justifying my hatred for gays. Not really. I'm a pretty easy-going person I think. It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

I don't think anyone (including you) has said anything about hating gays. That wouldn't be cool. What's not a problem, however, is hating homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with being disgusted with it. What is wrong is for someone to be afraid to say how they feel and instead try to find some justification for feeling that way. Example: BR doesn't like homosexuality. That's cool...he is, by no means, alone in that respect. But he doesn't say that he doesn't like it...he says it's wrong. Why is it wrong? Because it's harmful. Why is it harmful? Because homosexuals can't reproduce.

Edit: BR has said he doesn't like it. I stand corrected.

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: Jzero

I don't see what the big deal is out of saying that it's out of whack biologically.

My only gripe about saying that is that I'm not sure that it's a correct statement. Unfortunately, I'm not a biologist, I just date one. There are many seemingly useless or detrimental biological anomalies that end up being somehow beneficial in the grander scale. If I had the appropriate knowledge and vocabulary to exand, I would, but unfortunately, I do not.

This is pretty close to what I believe. I'd say that homosexuality at first appearance is useless or detrimental, but as someone (I forgot which F_____ said it), there are too many of us on the earth as it is. So maybe homosexuality is nature's way of thinning the herd" a little bit. I'd appreciate it if you would confer with said biologist and post back.

 

[jackpot]

Originally posted by: flavio

but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

How about I'm attracted to the opposite sex so that's better for me, they are attracted to the same sex so that's better for them?

That's great in a social sense. You want to be with someone you can love, even if they're the same sex. But you're choosing happiness in your life over having offspring. Now you got to think, that really sucks. It does. If the only people/person you love can't help you keep your family going, it's a tradgey in my opinion....

"Then explain all that same-sex sex in prison. Not saying some of it not rape but the majority is consentual. How's that old saying go "your only limited by your options" or something like that."

When you're in prison, you're there against your will and can't reach your lover (if any). Maybe you should ask someone who has been through this, but I would think being isolated away from females is unnatural, and you begin to behave in unnatural ways (ie rapeing people in the butt). But don't think this is more common than other more passive rituals that relieve sexual tension. Many criminals that would do something like this are probably already gay or deranged.

 

[Muse]

If you think you might be a bigot then you have to check yourself out. If you find yourself prejudging then you have reason to wonder. Somebody called me a bigot once but I think he jumped the gun. He said it reflexively and had nothing else to say. I countered that I was not and I stopped speaking to him (a coworker). He was laid off, and I could feel victorious. Eventually, I was laid off too. So what? As far as race relations and perceptions go I think it's important to see people as people, as individuals, not as representatives of their race. To me, that's racism. I'd say the same thing about religion or any other classification. Life is lived day to day. Attitudes, opinions, preconceptions, they just get you in trouble.

"hmmm, i think most people are bigots in some respect." There's a song I know called "Everyone's a bigot." It's by the Offs, who used to play in San Francisco. I saw them once. Cool band. Yeah, and one of the lines is, "...your a bigot", and it was directed to the listener, indescriminately.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

 

[jackpot]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: jackpot

As for justifying my hatred for gays. Not really. I'm a pretty easy-going person I think. It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

I don't think anyone (including you) has said anything about hating gays. That wouldn't be cool. What's not a problem, however, is hating homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with being disgusted with it. What is wrong is for someone to be afraid to say how they feel and instead try to find some justification for feeling that way. Example: BR doesn't like homosexuality. That's cool...he is, by no means, alone in that respect. But he doesn't say that he doesn't like it...he says it's wrong. Why is it wrong? Because it's harmful. Why is it harmful? Because homosexuals can't reproduce.

Edit: BR has said he doesn't like it. I stand corrected.

People are going to justify their actions and beliefs. You justify what you believe with examples. I justify why I think being homosexual is being worse off than heterosexual because of its unnatural state. You cannot have children. Now I'm comparing sexuality and nothing more. Say a man loves man just as much as he loves a women. Which decision would be better for him as a human being? Conversly, what good could he get out of being gay over being striaght if everything else is constant?

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: jackpot

As for justifying my hatred for gays. Not really. I'm a pretty easy-going person I think. It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

I don't think anyone (including you) has said anything about hating gays. That wouldn't be cool. What's not a problem, however, is hating homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with being disgusted with it. What is wrong is for someone to be afraid to say how they feel and instead try to find some justification for feeling that way. Example: BR doesn't like homosexuality. That's cool...he is, by no means, alone in that respect. But he doesn't say that he doesn't like it...he says it's wrong. Why is it wrong? Because it's harmful. Why is it harmful? Because homosexuals can't reproduce.

Edit: BR has said he doesn't like it. I stand corrected.

People are going to justify their actions and beliefs. You justify what you believe with examples. I justify why I think being homosexual is being worse off than heterosexual because of its unnatural state. You cannot have children. Now I'm comparing sexuality and nothing more. Say a man loves man just as much as he loves a women. Which decision would be better for him as a human being? Conversly, what good could he get out of being gay over being striaght if everything else is constant?

What business is it of yours what good he gets out of it? Especially if everything else is constant...including the effects on others. If it causes no problems with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impacts on anyone/anything, why should you care?

 

[jackpot]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

Which is basically a nice way of admitting you're just trolling. Thanks for sharing.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Maybe you should ask someone who has been through this, but I would think being isolated away from females is unnatural, and you begin to behave in unnatural ways (ie rapeing people in the butt).

Military? I'm not suggesting the military is full of homosexuals just to say combat in the past took place well away from friends and family and often meant isolation from females for extended periods . . . old days. What makes you think extended periods from females is unnatural? Clearly, you did not attend same-sex prep school or college. What makes you think isolation from the opposite sex cultivates unnatural behavior?

Rape is not unnatural. For some it satisfies a need for control, for some it satisfies a need for sex or an appetite for violence. But the act of forcing your will upon another is quite natural . . . not good . . . but certainly natural. Now if it's anal rape you see as unnatural, you are still lost. If it's two men you only have two orifices . . . and one option could mean big trouble if the act is not consensual. If it's a man and a women . . . tada! . . . another option assuming the guy doesn't have any issues with vagina dentata. Regardless, the act is still quite disgusting, quite violent, and quite natural.

In my parts, we had a judge who gave this pearl . . . "it's impossible for a woman to be raped b/c if she is not a willing participant the juices don't flow" . . . I'm sure he spoke from experience.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

Fvcking assholes. :|

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

Which is basically a nice way of admitting you're just trolling. Thanks for sharing.

Well put

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

No more talking to newbies.:frown:

 

[jackpot]

What business is it of yours what good he gets out of it? Especially if everything else is constant...including the effects on others. If it causes no problems with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impacts on anyone/anything, why should you care?

Ok, I do not care about other people's situations regarding this, let me make that clear. This is (would be) an examination of yourself. 'he' is a theoretical for justifying and deciding my actions. I would ask myself this question, "which is a better route if all other things are constant for this guy?" It's not about my concern for other people's motives, it's justifying my beliefs. I don't need to do this in life, but it works to get my point across.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: jackpot

What business is it of yours what good he gets out of it? Especially if everything else is constant...including the effects on others. If it causes no problems with anyone else, nor does it have any negative impacts on anyone/anything, why should you care?

Ok, I do not care about other people's situations regarding this, let me make that clear. This is (would be) an examination of yourself. 'he' is a theoretical for justifying and deciding my actions. I would ask myself this question, "which is a better route if all other things are constant for this guy?" It's not about my concern for other people's motives, it's justifying my beliefs. I don't need to do this in life, but it works to get my point across.

Oh shut up and go find someone else to satisfy your itch to argue with. Asshole. :|

 

[jackpot]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

Which is basically a nice way of admitting you're just trolling. Thanks for sharing.

Hey man, atleast I have a backbone to go against you guys. It's quite easy to support a perspective when the opposing side is filled with mostly bigots who won't reason with you. If you feel arguing for the sake of arguing is deterimental to this forum (as opposed to complaining about roommates eating your sausage and asking what song you're listening to), well so be it.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: jackpot

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

It's more like me justifying being heterosexual. Don't think I'm pondering being gay, but when you have either one way or another, you have to think why your way (heterosexual) is a better alternative than the other (homosexual).

Why would you need to justify heterosexuality? You are trying to explain clouds by saying that's where rain comes from . . . true but irrelevant. Even if you could get at the source . . . ask God or Mother Nature . . . "did you make sex for fun or for procreation?" . . . "or is sex fun b/c it's for procreation?" that has little bearing on our current condition. If you want to have kids you can do it. If you want to screw everything that moves without having any negative physical health consequences that's attainable as well.

Some people were born to pillow bite. Some people were born with the curiosity to try it (even though they won't stick with it). The remainder have little interest in trying; they may even be repulsed by it. It's always an alternative but there's no reason to justify your choice . . . just do it.

ah you got me. The fact of the matter is...I don't justify this in life. This is a message forum made for discussions such as these. A lot of people love tearing apart people who try to support controversial ideas. I, instead, like arguing these topics from time to time. I'm not playing devils advocate, but my motives for arguing this are more playful than serious.

Which is basically a nice way of admitting you're just trolling. Thanks for sharing.

Hey man, atleast I have a backbone to go against you guys. It's quite easy to support a perspective when the opposing side is filled with mostly bigots who won't reason with you. If you feel arguing for the sake of arguing is deterimental to this forum (as opposed to complaining about roommates eating your sausage and asking what song you're listening to), well so be it.

LMAO...."backbone".....right. Takes a lot of backbone to say stupid sh*t it's own sake behind the anonymity of the internet. You're my hero.

 

[jackpot]

I don't take back anything I said. I came into a thread that you guys were asking why you think homosexuality is bad, and I told you why. I don't have to justify this in my life, but when you guys asked this, I told you why. You can't argue it any other way without it being a matter of opinion, and you guys know that. You guys are just pissed that I'm giving you something to argue about. Please explain to me why what I did is wrong. I'm sincere in my arguement, but because I'm not the bigot you thought I was, you're pissed off.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I respect honest ignorance. But you sir . . . are an idiot. I would explain but it's just my opinion. I could justify my opinion but I don't feel the need to do so b/c well . . . you know you are an idiot. Kinda like being heterosexual . . . you just know it . . . well you might not know it . . . but most people do.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I respect honest ignorance. But you sir . . . are an idiot. I would explain but it's just my opinion. I could justify my opinion but I don't feel the need to do so b/c well . . . you know you are an idiot. Kinda like being heterosexual . . . you just know it . . . well you might not know it . . . but most people do.

Hey, people, why don't you just cool out? I dropped in here from curiosity, but if you think about it the subject could lead to acrimonious activity. Idiocy abounds, sure, but if people use some of their potential, they are amazing. Every one of you has a mind that's phenomenally more advanced than the most advanced computer on this planet. Let's not fight.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: jackpot
I don't take back anything I said. I came into a thread that you guys were asking why you think homosexuality is bad, and I told you why. I don't have to justify this in my life, but when you guys asked this, I told you why. You can't argue it any other way without it being a matter of opinion, and you guys know that. You guys are just pissed that I'm giving you something to argue about. Please explain to me why what I did is wrong. I'm sincere in my arguement, but because I'm not the bigot you thought I was, you're pissed off.

You're not particularly bright, are you?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Are we talking about real lesbians or pr0n lesbians?

Carpet munching is carpet munching . . . getting paid to do it is a sign of intelligence, immorality, or damn good fortune.

w3rd

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: BooneRebel

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: BooneRebel
Good luck, Jackpot. I've tried the basic biological facts argument, but no one here seems to be listening.

It's not that nobody's listening, it's just a matter of agreeing. For me personally, I'm not quite understanding you. Harmful because of sterility? It just seems to me that you're trying very hard to justify you're feelings. Why try to justify the way you feel? Why not just say, "Homosexuality disgusts me"?

Me, personally, find it repugnant to think of one man having sex with another. That doesn't make me a bad person. It just means that I don't share the same feelings as someone who isn't disgusted with it. However, I don't try to stand here and say things about sterility, bloodlines, HIV, etc, etc.

I have said that homosexuality disgusts me. That's my opinion. The idea of wiping man feces off of any part of me is revolting. However, when asked to expound on my 'opinions', I've added that it's unnatural and unhealthy. When asked by the 'pro-ho' population to explain my reasoning (because they are ignoring the obvious), I've expounded on sterility, bloodlines, HIV, etc., etc., etc. because "It's just wrong" isn't accepted as an answer. As Jackpot has mentioned, I don't see what the big deal is out of saying that it's out of whack biologically.

pro-ho?? heh, i doubt you will find any pro-ho's here, but having the choice, being able to have the choice and being respected for whatever choice you make is a different thing...