Am I crazy for Founders Edition?

[doggyfromplanetwoof]

I picked up a Nvidia 1080 GTX Founders Edition at best buy mid june. I quite like the look of it and the blower style. I have an Fractal Design R5 case that double duties as a gaming box/unraid. I really do not like heat inside my case and my CPU is cooled by an AIO watercooler.

I was looking at the AIO 1080's, but for some reason the Nvidia founders edition is growing on me.

I have a few days left to return this item, am I crazy? I know it throttles and it is a little louder than AIB's.

I guess I am looking for anyone elses opinion on this matter.

 

[Silverforce11]

Blowers are fine if you don't mind the noise, you need the fans higher to prevent throttling than auto.

I too prefer reference blowers, because heat out my case is less things to worry about, can have a more passive case setup.

 

[sirmo]

People hate the Founders Edition because of the FE tax.. but if you're happy with it.. enjoy it. It's still a good card in the grand scheme of things.

 

[littleg]

As long as you're happy with it that's all that matters. Blowers get a bit of stick on here but they do have their place. Not all cases have ideal ventilation or space to have plenty of exhaust fans etc, for those a blower is a decent enough solution.

 

[Elixer]

I have a few days left to return this item, am I crazy? I know it throttles and it is a little louder than AIB's.

I guess I am looking for anyone elses opinion on this matter.

Yeah, you are crazy.
You gave the reason why you want a blower, so, unless you are getting a new case, be happy with what you got.

 

[sxr7171]

I picked up a Nvidia 1080 GTX Founders Edition at best buy mid june. I quite like the look of it and the blower style. I have an Fractal Design R5 case that double duties as a gaming box/unraid. I really do not like heat inside my case and my CPU is cooled by an AIO watercooler.

I was looking at the AIO 1080's, but for some reason the Nvidia founders edition is growing on me.

I have a few days left to return this item, am I crazy? I know it throttles and it is a little louder than AIB's.

I guess I am looking for anyone elses opinion on this matter.

Way too loud IMHO, needs a hybrid cooler ASAP. Don't even wait, it's just time dealing with noise and throttling.

 

[ZGR]

The FE cooler is lackluster at best. Take the MSI Gaming 1070/1080. They allow zero rpm fan profiles, can maintain near maximum clocks (2.1 Ghz BASE clock!) below 70C with near silent operation.

The FE or aftermarket blowers are only for tiny cases. If your case has good airflow, pretty much any aftermarket non blower will be far better. If I did have a mITX case, I'd still take the MSI Gaming simply because its cooler is far and above the FE cooler even in a case with poor airflow and limited space. The 1070 and 1080 sip power making it a very easy GPU to cool quietly.

If you don't mind the extra noise, higher temps, and lower clockspeed, than the FE blower is fine.

I would definitely buy an MSI Gaming GTX 1080 and return your FE 1080 ASAP. Why pay more for less performance while running hotter? The only 1070/1080 I would avoid is the Asus STRIX model simply because of poor heatpipe contact resulting in far higher temps (less overclockability) than the MSI Gaming.

Gigabyte's G1 is an excellent choice as well. If you like your 1080 FE, I would slap a waterblock on it and call it a day. That will let you run at a 2.1 GHz base.

 

[maddogmcgee]

Yes.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I picked up a Nvidia 1080 GTX Founders Edition at best buy mid june. I quite like the look of it and the blower style. I have an Fractal Design R5 case that double duties as a gaming box/unraid. I really do not like heat inside my case and my CPU is cooled by an AIO watercooler.

I was looking at the AIO 1080's, but for some reason the Nvidia founders edition is growing on me.

I have a few days left to return this item, am I crazy? I know it throttles and it is a little louder than AIB's.

I guess I am looking for anyone elses opinion on this matter.

I like my FE cards, they're great. If you're enjoying it, why go through the hassle of removing it, boxing it up, returning it, and then hunting for an AIB card? You're going to waste your time, gas money, etc. and you won't be able to play games until you get the new 1080 which could be a while (unless you've got a potent backup card).

If AIB 1080s were plentiful and widely available I could see a case for doing this, but with the scarcity of these cards it just doesn't make sense.

If you don't enjoy it or are having problems with it, obviously return it. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Zstream]

Enjoy the great card. Remember to get out of house and get a tan now that's summer

 

[guskline]

No, smart move on your part considering your case, GTX 1080 availability etc. I guess if you are worried about being called crazy, you shouldn't have come to this thread. Some of the caustic names thrown around are sad.

Also if you are "crazy" then I guess I'll be put in the category of "insane" since I also purchased a GTX 1080 FE yet removed the cooler to add a water block. I knew GTX 1080s were scarce, knew the FEs had standard PCBs which are required by EK for the 1080 waterblock I pre-purchased and knew the FE carried a higher price.

I made a conscious choice to do this, knowing the cost yet some posters on this forum, and particular the Video threads constantly use such caustic words to characterize someone like you or me.

Are you happy with your 1080? If so keep it and enjoy being a top dog gpu performer for a bit.

 

[nerp]

FE cards are cool. Keep it. Looks like a giant cartridge. I like that.

 

[doggyfromplanetwoof]

No, smart move on your part considering your case, GTX 1080 availability etc. I guess if you are worried about being called crazy, you shouldn't have come to this thread. Some of the caustic names thrown around are sad.

Also if you are "crazy" then I guess I'll be put in the category of "insane" since I also purchased a GTX 1080 FE yet removed the cooler to add a water block. I knew GTX 1080s were scarce, knew the FEs had standard PCBs which are required by EK for the 1080 waterblock I pre-purchased and knew the FE carried a higher price.

I made a conscious choice to do this, knowing the cost yet some posters on this forum, and particular the Video threads constantly use such caustic words to characterize someone like you or me.

Are you happy with your 1080? If so keep it and enjoy being a top dog gpu performer for a bit.

I feel exactly the same and although I do not have a custom water loop or a EK AIO, I have thought about it.

Honestly, I do not know why people like hot air inside the cases, getting harddrives, motherboard componets, M2 SSDs, caps, and so on hotter than normal.

As far as looks, I have a non-window Define R5, so it's big, black, and silent. I love powerful PC, but these crazy new styles of gaming looks is a little sad, imo. Thus why the stock nVidia card is amazing looking to me and as you mention, stock PCB for future play.

Rest of my specs:
43in Sony 830C
Define R5
Gigabyte X99P Sli
5960X @ 4.3Ghz cooled by a AIO Corsair 115GTX
64GB DDR4 2400
nVidia 1080 Founders Edition (Pass thru for Windows 10)
2 x AMD R5 220 for Host OS and other VMs
2 x 960GB Sandisks Ultra II (cache drives)
2 x HGST NAS 6TB 7200 (in parity)
6 x Seagate Desktop 6TB drives (pooled data)
1 X 5TB WD Black (unassigned for gaming drive)
1 X M.2. NVME Samsung 512MB (only for my windows VM)
SeaSonic Platinum SS-860XP2 860W
Using Unraid as the host OS

As you can see, yes I have a powerful machine and I use it for more than just gaming. If you know what Unraid is you can imagine the stuff you can do, and I take it to the extreme with multiple VM's and dockers.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

AIO is the end solution for you. Your FE reference board is compatible for the same..

Enjoy the 1080 at stock clocks for now, albeit with higher fan profile and purchase a AIO block when you want to OC; 3-4 months down the line.

 

[doggyfromplanetwoof]

AIO is the end solution for you. Your FE reference board is compatible for the same..

Enjoy the 1080 at stock clocks for now, albeit with higher fan profile and purchase a AIO block when you want to OC; 3-4 months down the line.

Yes thank you for the idea.

If I had a choice, I would buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6202798&SID=

But at last, as other posters have mention, when will it be in stock? Could be weeks or months before I get my hands on one. I ain't one of those people who download Chrome plugins just to find a video card.

 

[know of fence]

Honestly, I do not know why people like hot air inside the cases, getting harddrives, motherboard componets, M2 SSDs, caps, and so on hotter than normal.

Because it's a smarter compromise, while I cannot help but think that the "dumping heat inside the case" rhetoric is complete and utter BS and marketing spin.

Overall it's better for the noise profile to use 2 stages of fans (card and case fans) rather than trying to do all things at once with at tiny fan at 2000+ RPM. You could theoretically even build a 2nd box (or third stage) around your PCCase line it with recording studio noise cancelling foam and use even slower intake and exhaust fans with a muffler for further noise cancelling.

Case fans replace the air volume of a case within seconds. I honestly doubt that the difference in heat gradient is measurable at all. Closed cases tend to even outperform open platforms when it comes to thermals.

 

[crazzy.heartz]

Yes thank you for the idea.

If I had a choice, I would buy this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=6202798&SID=

But at last, as other posters have mention, when will it be in stock? Could be weeks or months before I get my hands on one. I ain't one of those people who download Chrome plugins just to find a video card.

You're welcome. Do as Guskline did.. when you feel like OC'in your card..

Why bother with open air coolers, no matter how efficient, when you're going to get an AIO anyways.. Ultimately, they'll dump that heat inside your case which you dont like..

 

[poofyhairguy]

Because it's a smarter compromise, while I cannot help but think that the "dumping heat inside the case" rhetoric is complete and utter BS and marketing spin.

No, it's logically sound. Reference cards (whatever they are labeled) do push heat out of the case. Are you saying they don't?

Case fans replace the air volume of a case within seconds. I honestly doubt that the difference in heat gradient is measurable at all. Closed cases tend to even outperform open platforms when it comes to thermals.

That only works if you assume a big normal ATX case filled with big normal fans and decent airflow. What if you have a Mini ITX rig with crappy airflow? I do, and a reference card is a blessing in that case. Or what if you use a water cooler on the CPU as most of those need to pull cold air in across the radiator? Then one of your case fans spots is pulling in air not pushing it out, leading to terrible airflow in the case. Suddenly a reference card is brilliant.

Reference cards are blowers for a reason. In tight spaces (like EVERY mass produced Dell, HP or Acer machine on the market) you need a blower design.

 

[RussianSensation]

Because it's a smarter compromise, while I cannot help but think that the "dumping heat inside the case" rhetoric is complete and utter BS and marketing spin.

Overall it's better for the noise profile to use 2 stages of fans (card and case fans) rather than trying to do all things at once with at tiny fan at 2000+ RPM. You could theoretically even build a 2nd box (or third stage) around your PCCase line it with recording studio noise cancelling foam and use even slower intake and exhaust fans with a muffler for further noise cancelling.

Case fans replace the air volume of a case within seconds. I honestly doubt that the difference in heat gradient is measurable at all. Closed cases tend to even outperform open platforms when it comes to thermals.

It's refreshing to see actual facts being posted but no matter how many times I provided evidence to this, it's been ignored for more than 10 years.

Max OC runs at 73C

The minute dust starts building up in the reference card, you'll reach 84-85C in no time and what will happen are reduced boost bins or higher noise levels

Another point that keeps getting ignored on these forums is how little performance separates the 1080 FE against an after-market 1070 -- just 12% at 1440p.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/952-30/recapitulatif-performances.html

We cannot use the argument that 1080 FE can be overclocked since then noise levels skyrocket compared to an after-market MSI Gaming, Palit, Gigabyte G1 level card, negating any benefits of a blower exhausting the heat out of the case. Since an after-market 1080 will still run cooler and quieter, the 1080 FE has no performance advantages whatsoever.

Gigabyte G1 costs $429 and the $699 1080 FE would be only ~12% faster in real life and people are recommending the OP to keep the FE? No objectivity left on the forums it seems :thumbsdown: Like I get it if you are OK wasting nearly $300, go right ahead but why encourage others to do the same? We aren't even discussing $699 GTX1080 cards that boost to almost 2Ghz right out of the factory, have double ball bearing fans and come with a 4 year warranty. If someone is spending $700 USD, wouldn't they want the best or close to the best 1080 -- that means:

- as quiet as possible at idle and load
- as fast as possible out of the box
- as cherry-picked chip as possible

In all of those metrics there are plenty of $700 1080 cards that wipe the floor with the 1080 FE.

The biggest issue is finding an AIB 1080, not whether or not it's worth replacing the 1080 FE for an AIB one.

Getting an AIB 1080 such as the Gigabyte XTreme also means no need to waste another $100-150 on water-cooling. Why waste more money water-cooling a 1080 card when the AIB will run cool enough and overclock just as good? Just to say you have water cooling?

 

[doggyfromplanetwoof]

It's refreshing to see actual facts being posted but no matter how many times I provided evidence to this, it's been ignored for more than 10 years.

Max OC runs at 73C

The minute dust starts building up in the reference card, you'll reach 84-85C in no time and what will happen are reduced boost bins or higher noise levels

Another point that keeps getting ignored on these forums is how little performance separates the 1080 FE against an after-market 1070 -- just 12% at 1440p.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/952-30/recapitulatif-performances.html

We cannot use the argument that 1080 FE can be overclocked since then noise levels skyrocket compared to an after-market MSI Gaming, Palit, Gigabyte G1 level card, negating any benefits of a blower exhausting the heat out of the case. Since an after-market 1080 will still run cooler and quieter, the 1080 FE has no performance advantages whatsoever.

Gigabyte G1 costs $429 and the $699 1080 FE would be only ~12% faster in real life and people are recommending the OP to keep the FE? No objectivity left on the forums it seems :thumbsdown: Like I get it if you are OK wasting nearly $300, go right ahead but why encourage others to do the same? We aren't even discussing $699 GTX1080 cards that boost to almost 2Ghz right out of the factory, have double ball bearing fans and come with a 4 year warranty. If someone is spending $700 USD, wouldn't they want the best or close to the best 1080 -- that means:

- as quiet as possible at idle and load
- as fast as possible out of the box
- as cherry-picked chip as possible

In all of those metrics there are plenty of $700 1080 cards that wipe the floor with the 1080 FE.

The biggest issue is finding an AIB 1080, not whether or not it's worth replacing the 1080 FE for an AIB one.

Getting an AIB 1080 such as the Gigabyte XTreme also means no need to waste another $100-150 on water-cooling. Why waste more money water-cooling a 1080 card when the AIB will run cool enough and overclock just as good? Just to say you have water cooling?

Wow. True. And I have seen other charts that makes a 1070 o'clock close to a 1080FE.

I don't care about water cooling, in fact I rather have fans. But I have a all in one box with multiple hard drives and my mother board is full of cards. The air flow is very low. I run this computer 24/7 so I do want cool components and heat dumping in a case is a big deal when inside my case every square inch has some form of obstruction.

So I like the fact the fe does blow hot air out, but with performance being close to a 1070oc and makes me want to push for an aio 1080 cooler. But than again it could be months/weeks before I get one. It seems I am at a crossroads as of late.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The biggest issue is finding an AIB 1080, not whether or not it's worth replacing the 1080 FE for an AIB one.

Getting an AIB 1080 such as the Gigabyte XTreme also means no need to waste another $100-150 on water-cooling. Why waste more money water-cooling a 1080 card when the AIB will run cool enough and overclock just as good? Just to say you have water cooling?

Yep, like everything in life, it's a trade off. If you want to buy a 1080 NOW, then an aftermarket cooler product is probably not in the cards since they are extremely hard to find in stock. 1080 FE is in stock on GeForce.com and I see them regularly available at Best Buy stores, too.

If you're willing to be more aggressive in hunting for an AIB card, and you're willing to put up with a potential wait as you try to find one, then you can probably get something better for cheaper.

 

[weevilone]

I had an FE card, wound up with an AIB card.

Other than the FE tax, the cards wound up performing generally equally. Did the FE make more noise to do so... ? Probably a bit, but nothing that was bothersome. I think most people that dog on them haven't used one.

The only thing that's significantly different is that I can fold on the AIB card at a higher frequency 24x7 if desired. I didn't notice much difference during gaming, and this is with a very roomy and well cooled case.

No way I'd have the AIB card in a SFF or airflow limited build unless it was AIO.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Wow. True. And I have seen other charts that makes a 1070 o'clock close to a 1080FE.

I don't care about water cooling, in fact I rather have fans. But I have a all in one box with multiple hard drives and my mother board is full of cards. The air flow is very low. I run this computer 24/7 so I do want cool components and heat dumping in a case is a big deal when inside my case every square inch has some form of obstruction.

Heat kills hard drives. If you have to have your media in the same box a blower makes some sense.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I think most people that dog on them haven't used one.

Truth right here.

 

[Annisman*]

Crazy ? Crazy awesome maybe.