Easy only if those who police were selected by their virtues. People are voted into office in the real world and even they make bad choices to say nothing of those were were selected in a closed system such as a forum.A small community is easy to police from the top down.
how many vacations has mosh been given? it's hard to imagine that she used up all her short vacations. do you believe that a really long vacation would make her change her actions any more than a short vacation? how about a stern warning?
do you have evidence to support that those avenues fail with mosh and that the only possible way she would change the actions she's accused of is to give her a really long vacation?
yeah, i can understand giving a really long vacation to repeat offenders who get short vacations... i just don't understand how that applies to mosh, though.
I am not sure i understand your comment.
Sneak by what, are you referring to?
Easy only if those who police were selected by their virtues. People are voted into office in the real world and even they make bad choices to say nothing of those were were selected in a closed system such as a forum.
Case in point: HP... a small community who was rather humming along just fine and all it takes a few people you call the board of directors to send the company spiraling off its pedestal.
C'mon, that's asking a lot, we can't even control that in our judicial system. You got prosecutors convicting innocents to further their careers, judges handing down unfair sentences due to personal bias, police arresting people on a whim and you think mods are capable of anything but imperfection? Lets be real, feelings is very much part of the decision making regardless of how much stock one has in it.Personal feeling have no place in policing actions
Then you heard something contrary to the truth. Shocking, I know.The way I hear it, you never responded to Anand's email...
I gave Anand my resignation because Perknose, basically, refused to quit acting like a douchebag.
from Perknose perknose@gmail.com
to Anand Shimpi <anand.shimpi@anandtech.com>
date Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 3:37 PM
subject bamacre
mailed-by gmail.com
hide details 7/26/10
Hey Anand!
Re: Our phone convo on July 9th concerning bamacre.
It looks like you sent the updated mod goody list only to me and didn't cc bamacre.
[redacted]
Anyway, at the beginning of our convo concerning bamacre on the 9th, you rightly and prudently asked me for confirmation that allowing bamacre to resign with honor wasn't just my idea.
Therefore, last night I composed a letter and sent it by pm to all our active Senior Admins, except Red Dawn and bamacre.
EVERY single Senior Admin I petitioned eagerly embraced signing on to it! Here is it:
Dear Anand,
We, the undersigned do strongly advocate allowing bamacre to retire with honor from his volunteer transition stint as Forum Director, so that we may replace him with someone who has the time and energy and focus to care about and more consistently help with the daily work of moderating our beloved AT Forums.
It is not fair to our other Forum Director, nor is it fair to us, that we presently have a second Forum Director who is all but absent for weeks and weeks at a time.
Should you have any further questions of any one of us regarding this situation, please don't hesitate to contact us by forum pm!
Thanks in advance for your time and consideration on this matter.
The undersigned,
Perknose
Harvey
esquared
allisom
DrPizza
Gillbot
TonyH
Schadenfroh
[other business redacted]
Feel free to independently contact any of the other signatories for their in-depth personal response. I could load this e-mail with their enthusiastic personally written assents, but I think that enough is enough for now. If you do want them, though, just lmk.
TIA!
-- Dave
IHow do you have an alt mod account that everyone doesn't know?
Isn't "Common Courtesy" supposed to be some kind of alt mod...or rather, anonymous and linked to all mods, in general?
or something like that..
dang it this is so confusing now, it's like layers upon layers. WE NEED TO GO DEEPER.
so do you guys get paid to do this, or do you do it out of love for all things atot?
When the Moderators were to be exposed, EagleKeeper had a potential conflict of interest between being a Moderator and a member due to business interests.
It was granted that the CC moniker could be used.
When a piqued ex-Moderator chose to release this information in TFNN this past summer; the situation was reevaluated and EagleKeeper made the decision that there was no longer a business interest conflict and that CC could be retired.
Since then, when asked by any member; this explanation has been made to them.
This is distasteful, Ben, but it all needs to be said.
Anand came to me with your allegations. He's a busy man, but we converse regularly, often by phone, often for more than an hour at a time, and at least once for more than 2 hours .
About your allegations, I told him I had nothing to hide, that he should ask for links and proof from you, and investigate fully.
He told me he asked you for same, and that you responded something along the lines of "you couldn't be bothered, you didn't have the time for all that", and that instead you gave him the names of two posters who you claimed had received egregious treatment from me.
He contacted both, and asked for their stories. One never responded, and the other responded so weakly that Anand dismissed any claim of mistreatment as outright having ZERO basis in fact.
Lol, you still don't know until today, but you were fired before you ever resigned. You were lazy and capricious and unintentionally arrogant in your tenure as co-FD.
You were so bad that I brought a petition to Anand signed by ALL the active forum Admins except one asking for your dismissal, to be kindly disguised as your resignation so as to not unduly embarrass you, and Anand looked into it and agreed.
When you resigned ahead of that, Anand was relieved and called me with to tell me we'd "dodged a bullet."
dang it this is so confusing now, it's like layers upon layers. WE NEED TO GO DEEPER.
so do you guys get paid to do this, or do you do it out of love for all things atot?
This is distasteful, Ben, but it all needs to be said.
Anand came to me with your allegations. He's a busy man, but we converse regularly, often by phone, often for more than an hour at a time, and at least once for more than 2 hours .
About your allegations, I told him I had nothing to hide, that he should ask for links and proof from you, and investigate fully.
He told me he asked you for same, and that you responded something along the lines of "you couldn't be bothered, you didn't have the time for all that", and that instead you gave him the names of two posters who you claimed had received egregious treatment from me.
He contacted both, and asked for their stories. One never responded, and the other responded so weakly that Anand dismissed any claim of mistreatment as outright having ZERO basis in fact.
Lol, you still don't know until today, but you were fired before you ever resigned. You were lazy and capricious and unintentionally arrogant in your tenure as co-FD.
You were so bad that I brought a petition to Anand signed by ALL the active forum Admins except one asking for your dismissal, to be kindly disguised as your resignation so as to not unduly embarrass you, and Anand looked into it and agreed.
When you resigned ahead of that, Anand was relieved and called me with to tell me we'd "dodged a bullet."
No Moderator receives a single penny for our services.
We also cover our own costs for systems as well as internet access.
When the Moderators were to be exposed, EagleKeeper had a potential conflict of interest between being a Moderator and a member due to business interests.
It was granted that the CC moniker could be used.
When a piqued ex-Moderator chose to release this information in TFNN this past summer; the situation was reevaluated and EagleKeeper made the decision that there was no longer a business interest conflict and that CC could be retired.
Since then, when asked by any member; this explanation has been made to them.