Freedom of speech is only an NNFT away.
While I don't really like what has happened here, and more so the methods used, it's BECAUSE of the moderation that these forums are a nice place to post for the most part. People like Happy Puppy and others over there just turn that place into a 3 year olds sand box. I have no interest in that.
Yet it's because of the past three days, and more specifically, because of this thread tonight, that NNFT has seen its traffic increase... exponentially?
I'll just leave this here.
- LoKe's final contribution to this forum. It's sad to see that one person can bring something from being a fun place to hang out and shoot the shit, to a place where you have to proof-read every post to make sure you're not about to unknowingly offend someone.
so there's no shitlist, huh?
The discussion of this recent incident has had more posts in the admin's forum than all of the other problems combined (excluding a couple of FS/T incidents) for the past 2 months. In case no one noticed, quite a bit of time elapsed between the candy jar being left open and the vacations (and one permaban.)
There was a lengthy discussion in which no person dominated the discussion and direction of the discussion. The final decision wasn't reached by just one admin, and it's a decision that I'm comfortable with.
As far as our investigative techniques, that have been mentioned here quite a few times - we do NOT regularly poke around in members PMs. It is done on occasion, at least 95% of the time as a result of someone attempting to rip people off in the FS/T forum. And, in general, the offense is already to the point of permaban before the PMs are read.
In this case, GA posted within the thread with instructions not just how to view the threads in the moderator forums, but with instructions on how to download the entire contents of the moderator forums. (Some of you apparently didn't recognize this.) He has been given more than enough "last chances," and this, in my opinion, was the last straw. In our attempt to determine how much damage he may have done, his PMs were viewed. It was from these PMs that resulted in the lengthy vacations of the other two members. There are other members we highly suspect of also passing information around, but without more evidence, their PMs were not viewed by anyone here.
It is obvious that a dossier/shitlist/whatever was being kept that noted things outside of the normal forum notes feature and items from that dossier/shitlist/whatever were brought into a discussion about sanctioning the mod.
To me that is an obvious abuse of power and clear indication that personal feelings are being brought into disciplinary discussions. Now, were they acted upon? I don't know, but the fact that they are even brought up is an abuse of power. If they were acted upon then it is an even worse abuse of power.
we should go back to the days when the mods were anonymous.
Now that the pics have been posted here, how are the comments that were made in them by a Forum Director toward a mod defensible?
It is obvious that a dossier/shitlist/whatever was being kept that noted things outside of the normal forum notes feature and items from that dossier/shitlist/whatever were brought into a discussion about sanctioning the mod.
To me that is an obvious abuse of power and clear indication that personal feelings are being brought into disciplinary discussions. Now, were they acted upon? I don't know, but the fact that they are even brought up is an abuse of power. If they were acted upon then it is an even worse abuse of power.
In either case I believe such actions cannot be defended and should not be acceptable to the admin staff here.
I don't see anything particularly damning there. I have no idea regarding the details, but those caps look normal to me.
The damning portion should be obvious. The fact that it is mentioned that there are screenshots of Red's alleged actions tells me that a shitlist/dossier/whatever is being kept outside of the forum notes feature and outside of the normally accepted procedures, as explained by EagleKeeper and Esquared earlier in this thread, for "policing" members. Items from that list are mentioned as being cause for sanctioning Red, again outside of accepted procedures for the forums.
That is damning.
The things mentioned by Perknose in the screenshots were fairly serious and all related directly to the forum, and in them he claimed to have further screenshot evidence, and he did not take any individual actions against Red Dawn. Those pictures only help his case, tbh.
(And Alone is LoKe? Why did I never figure that out?)
if the forums no longer exist when i wake up, it was nice knowing all of you
it will make work boring however maybe ill get more done
Those pictures are not part of the notes system for the forum. That alone is proof that an enemies list, or whatever you want to call it, is being kept on certain individuals and said list is being used in the application of discipline. Both are outside of acceptable forum/member disciplinary actions as explained earlier in this thread.
It is, to me, much the same as Nixon secretly recording things in the Oval Office and keeping an enemies list. Simply put it is an abuse of power and should be an unacceptable practice by those chosen to administer the forums.
No biggie as anything british sucks. And sucks hard. Very hard. (except Benny Hill)
The damning portion should be obvious. The fact that it is mentioned that there are screenshots of Red's alleged actions tells me that a shitlist/dossier/whatever is being kept outside of the forum notes feature and outside of the normally accepted procedures, as explained by EagleKeeper and Esquared earlier in this thread, for "policing" members. Items from that list are mentioned as being cause for sanctioning Red, again outside of accepted procedures for the forums.
That is damning.
I took screenshots when I was in the process of getting a mod removed. That prevents antics like deleting posts after the fact, or using creative editing. The only part I have an issue with is mentioning the sale stuff. That's not really relevant on it's own, and should have been discarded in the moderator discussions.
When dealing with problem members, a lot of shit gets talked about behind the scenes. some of it's off base, and inappropriate. That's why it gets discussed, instead of firing from the hip.
Why is everyone is saying that Nik1985 was permabanned? From what I've been reading he was just given a longish vacation. I think Nik was too. From what I've4 been reading the only perma's were GA, Mosh and gaiden, no?
Why is everyone is saying that Nik1985 was permabanned? From what I've been reading he was just given a longish vacation. I think Nik was too. From what I've4 been reading the only perma's were GA, Mosh and gaiden, no?