am i supposed to be able to see mod forums?

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Lifted

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So GA disseminated the info to Mosh. Guilty.

Mosh just had a laugh about it... I have a feeling she must have shared the info with somebody else. If she didn't, then yeah, the 6 month ban + apology does seem to be a bit much.
 

Mike Gayner

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"Disseminated info" is a bit misleading TBH - it was more discussing the banality of it between themselves. When you put it like that it sounds like they're scheming and plotting.
 

zinfamous

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Having a discussion with my brother at the moment about the whole thing - I'll update people on what happened as I go.

It seems like he was banned over some pretty banal stuff....

uh...you haven't seen the list of his previous vacations, have you?

I like GA, tbh, but it is no secret that he was always skating on thin ice.

In fact, the mods were surprisingly tolerant with him for a rather long time, if you ask me.

...or perhaps you guys have a different interpretation of the word "banal" in kiwi land?
 

Locut0s

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Allegedly, look at my Heatware, 365 and 0 and that's just a fraction of the deals I made, all stellar. There was no abuse of power, just false accusations made by a person who let his emotions get the better of him. If you really want to find out just ask Olds, we disagreed a lot but he's honest and I think he'd verfiy what I'm saying. Now if you were to question me as a team player you'd have a good argument, I wasn't and is why I'm no longer an Admin and that's fine. Life is much better for me here that I don't have to deal with the BS, both internally and externally.

You know after years and years of being a member of the staff being part of the backroom running of the site gets kind of addicting, enough to make you forget what it's like just to be a member. I mean it's interesting and all but there is also a lot of crap that you really don't need. If you were to ask any ex staff member they'd probably say the same thing, they are all glad they are no longer part of the staff. It's like this thread and drama, I'm sure the staff is really hating this. They are all under attack for doing what they felt was right. Agree with them or not, most aren't being vindictive, they are just isolatede from the membership and develop and Us vs Them attitude, something that often happens with Cops. It's not that they are assholes,in fact for most it's the opposite, they feel that they are constantly under attack and devolop what is called a Bunker Mentality. Keep in mind none of these people get paid, aside from the occasional hand me downs from Anand that may or may not work.. You definitely need to cut them some slack

Anand gave you a zero point energy reactor didn't he.
 

zinfamous

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So GA disseminated the info to Mosh. Guilty.

Mosh just had a laugh about it... I have a feeling she must have shared the info with somebody else. If she didn't, then yeah, the 6 month ban + apology does seem to be a bit much.

well, if what Gaynor said is true, then GA didn't copy-paste anything.

none of us know the content of the PMs...so it's word against word.

Honestly, most of these mods tend to be stand-up people worthy of trust, some have their vendettas, clearly, and as much as I like GA, despite his tendency towards dickishness, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually copied and forwarded something.

However--I want to believe Gaynor here, it strikes me that GA wouldn't have much reason to take actual info...but then again, that's just his story.
 

Red Dawn

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Anand gave you a zero point energy reactor didn't he.
Actually the last stuff I got from him was alright, a Netbook which I'm posting on right now, a 1 TB HD that's in my WHS 2001 Server and a CPU that I "didn't sell on the FS/T Forum" which is running strongly in my sons system. It's a little dated so it might go on Craigslist..LOL
 

Locut0s

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Actually the last stuff I got from him was alright, a Netbook which I'm posting on right now, a 1 TB HD that's in my WHS 2001 Server and a CPU that I "didn't sell on the FS/T Forum" which is running strongly in my sons system. It's a little dated so it might go on Craigslist..LOL

God damn what's it like to be Anand :jealous: (not that he doesn't work hard). Kid in a candy store only just clips the edge of the concept to me.
 

Locut0s

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well, if what Gaynor said is true, then GA didn't copy-paste anything.

none of us know the content of the PMs...so it's word against word.

Honestly, most of these mods tend to be stand-up people worthy of trust, some have their vendettas, clearly, and as much as I like GA, despite his tendency towards dickishness, it wouldn't surprise me if he actually copied and forwarded something.

However--I want to believe Gaynor here, it strikes me that GA wouldn't have much reason to take actual info...but then again, that's just his story.

It has the complexity about it of the best of political intrigue. And yet the material involved in all this is about as interesting as barber shop rumours about about who's wife uses too much salt in her cooking.
 

Mike Gayner

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I was chatting on Skype while writing my posts above, so it was kinda rushed.

I think it should be made clear that the mods are deliberately using language designed to make this whole thing seem a lot worse than it was. GA poked around in a few threads, and some people PM'd him asking what kinda loot he had found. He hadn't gone out and "disseminated and distributed information" in an unsolicited way, and there was nothing to distribute and disseminate anyway.

Another example is the mods using language like "forum breach" - there was no breach in the way they're trying to convey. That language makes it sound like someone went out and hacked their servers. They left the front door open, and a couple of people had a quick look around.

The whole thing is just a mountain made out of a mole hill TBH.
 

Locut0s

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I was chatting on Skype while writing my posts above, so it was kinda rushed.

I think it should be made clear that the mods are deliberately using language designed to make this whole thing seem a lot worse than it was. GA poked around in a few threads, and some people PM'd him asking what kinda loot he had found. He hadn't gone out and "disseminated and distributed information" in an unsolicited way, and there was nothing to distribute and disseminate anyway.

Another example is the mods using language like "forum breach" - there was no breach in the way they're trying to convey. That language makes it sound like someone went out and hacked their servers. They left the front door open, and a couple of people had a quick look around.

The whole thing is just a mountain made out of a mole hill TBH.

I'm one of the few here who actually likes GA quite a bit. I support him. Let him know I said I'll miss him here and that I said hi. :'(

Still. With the history of infractions he had, he had to know that he was probably skating on some form of thin ice or another?
 

esquared

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i thnk everyone suspected as much


Rubbish

You hear what you want to hear so that's what you accept.

It's not the way it went down. Don't forget that there are two other players in this mess.

GA is not privy to that info between those two.

As his brother said he may not have it in an "unsolicited way" but he was solicited for this information. That's a fact and he complied.

"He hadn't gone out and "disseminated and distributed information" in an unsolicited way, and there was nothing to distribute and disseminate anyway."

It's not up to him to determine that there was nothing to disseminate.

For those of you that want to believe these three didn't nothing wrong, there's nothing in the world I can say to convince you otherwise.

It doesn't matter. The decision has been made on this and it stands

 
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arkcom

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Another example is the mods using language like "forum breach" - there was no breach in the way they're trying to convey. That language makes it sound like someone went out and hacked their servers. They left the front door open, and a couple of people had a quick look around.

I've been thinking about that for a while.

 

Perknose

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I'm here to say that most of them were not true and the ones that are happened a long long time ago when there was a lot of shenanigans going on by the staff.

I'm sorry, Mike but I can't let you blow untrue smoke to make yourself look good. All of those allegations are true, and you know it.

You were the only one pulling abusive "shenanigans" on that level. That's why Russ banned you. You are the only mod ever to be vacationed while being a mod, and you were subsequently drummed right out of the moderating corps, the only one ever (now twice!) for your abusive shenanigans. Harvey has a soft spot for you and he eventually let you back in, but you never really changed your ethics-challenged ways.

Remember when you were complaining that your password had been re-set back when the forums were exploited by Loke? That wasn't any of us, that was HQ, in the form of Derek Wilson and Anand.

YOU were the one moderator they suspected might be involved. That's simply because your history of abuse against posters dwarfed all the other mods combined, and they thought you were the ONE mod capable of such treachery.

I actually stood up for you and said to Derek, "Red's an asshole but I sincerely doubt he be involved in that." I also told him they'd never find anything in your pm's if you had been, that you weren't that dumb.

But yeah, I was just blowing off steam about you in those screen shots because there you were, pimping for ProfJohn and posting it in PFI just to draw a crowd and dance for them, when you and I both know you probably didn't believe PJ to begin with.

ViRGE saw it and moved it to Mod Discussions and reamed you for purposefully putting it in the wrong forum, and then a whole host of Admins handed you your ass with the facts to the point you where you were forced to back down and even apologize.

Your gambit backfired, and that was that.

But you did all of those things I ranted about, and more. I just can't let you dance for this audience and try to get the misimpression over that you didn't or that other mods pulled bullshit like you did.

It's just not true.
 

eits

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Rubbish

You hear what you want to hear so that's what you accept.

It's not the way it went down. Don't forget that there are two other players in this mess.

GA is not privy to that info between those two.

As his brother said he may not have it in an "unsolicited way" but he was solicited for this information. That's a fact and he complied.

"He hadn't gone out and "disseminated and distributed information" in an unsolicited way, and there was nothing to distribute and disseminate anyway."

It's not up to him to determine that there was nothing to disseminate.

For those of you that want to believe these three didn't nothing wrong, there's nothing in the world I can say to convince you otherwise.

It doesn't matter. The decision has been made on this and it stands


well, you could provide evidence rather than "just take our word for it". that might put an end to this whole debate.
 

Michael

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This thread is a good reminder of why I never want to be an admin or mod of a forum like this. Worse than thankless.

I also wonder just how widespread any "abuses" really could have been. I have personally insulted Perknose, Harvey and Red Dawn on a regular basis. Even when the mods were "secret", the only warning I ever recall receiving was when I thought the decision to outlaw the word "gay" was stupid and was public about that.

For some reason, not even a warning by those "biased jerks".

Michael
 

zinfamous

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well fuck me in both ears.

I hope you guys settle down for a bit, because this will be just far too much to read the next morning.

:awe:
 

TonyH

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Rubbish

You hear what you want to hear so that's what you accept.

It's not the way it went down. Don't forget that there are two other players in this mess.

GA is not privy to that info between those two.

As his brother said he may not have it in an "unsolicited way" but he was solicited for this information. That's a fact and he complied.

"He hadn't gone out and "disseminated and distributed information" in an unsolicited way, and there was nothing to distribute and disseminate anyway."

It's not up to him to determine that there was nothing to disseminate.

For those of you that want to believe these three didn't nothing wrong, there's nothing in the world I can say to convince you otherwise.

It doesn't matter. The decision has been made on this and it stands
And I stand behind that decision tool.
 
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