Am I the only one that thinks the Ipod sucks?

[tami]

ipods are cool and did have good marketing. they also got a stronghold on the portable mp3 player market with reasonable price ranges relatively quickly.

(i was looking at a 5gb unit at the pc expo in nyc few years ago -- it never hit the market -- for $599. it was bulky and ugly, and although i wanted it at the time since it was the only one of its kind, it wasn't going to sell with its icky design and price.)

 

[imported_Lucifer]

You know what sucks more than the iPod? This thread.

 

[dev0lution]

It's probably not the best player period. Or the best value either. But I wouldn't trade my mini for any other player because it does what I want, is well built, sounds great and has the accessories I want to go with it. I'm a former mac user that moved to PC's because of prices, the hardware and software available for the platform and compatibility with 90% of the people I know. Does that make mac's bad? No, they're fine for people who want to use them, especially in the graphics, video editing and sound mixing fields. I don't get why a product with a sliver of market share gets people so riled up. And from a hardware perspective, who cares what Ghz mac hardware is hitting? Speed and performance can be two seperate things (as I think AMD has proven by now...). A mac with mac software does not perform apples to apples with a PC running windows.

iTunes does (IMHO) just as good a job of organizing my music than MusicMatch or other audio suites. As for Quicktime, I only associate quicktime specific filetypes with it, just like I would with WMP or Real Player. I'm pretty tired of software programs trying to be your "be all, end all" program for media. I'd rather have a program do what it does best....play the media specific to its purpose and stop trying to hijack all my files. iTunes can organize my music, burn cd's, import media and edit ID3 tags which is why it's my primary mp3 player. But I also run tagscanner and dbPowerAmp if I need to do mass-tagging or importing. And nero does a much better job for burning...

I'd rather use a PC over a mac, but thankfully since iTunes and iPods run on Windows I don't have to choose. I can still use a well built, stylish (hey, i guess it's a preference), mp3 player with one of the simplest, yet elegant interfaces around.....

If you don't like it, support the mp3 players that make up the other 10% of the market... they need it!! =P

 

[miniMUNCH]

Damn ladies and gents...

Quite the tiff going on up in this joint!

Phillipine Mango is a silly, silly guy.

A few thoughts/contributions:

1. Filemaker PRO >> Access (just my opinion but shared by most who are in a position to know)

2. Mac users need to stop fighting the truth-- there are huge weak areas in the Mac software portfolio: engineering design software like ProEngineer/Wildfire, SolidWorks, chemical engineering simulation software is one example.

3. Mac OS X stock tracking software:

take your pick plus hook that up with some RSS feeds and BAM!, you got your own little stock trading suite/studio/whatever...I hear BlueChip is pretty nice and cost a tremendous $12.

Plus you can extend something like BlueChip using Applescript really easy.


Finally, a question or two:

With a player like the River H340 or iaudio whatever...is there any other way to setup playlists other than via the device interface. With the iPod, playlists can be setup in iTunes really easy.

thanks in advance.


BTW...my wife has an iPod mini and loves it...seems to work just fine.

Cheers!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've read it a few times and I'm still not seeing a suggestion for a superior all-rounder alternative model. Lets brush that under the carpet until next time, shall we?

This grows tiresome. Honestly, consider not posting if you have to ignore things I've said more than once to continue the argument. Because a player's strength is in a certain area doesn't mean it's not also better in other areas.

I also should point out that itunes vs. other PC players is an entirely seperate debate and that itunes is free software. There's no reason one can't use itunes to play music on their PC while having a non-Apple DAP for their portable music needs or vice versa.

Itunes does not figure into the player debate.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GURCK!>!??!@#$


I thought about writing out a long-winded and aggressive or perhaps reserved argument, but yet again, your posts have made it useless before I have even begun.

The man tries to get you to spill the beans about what software + DAP combination is the best, and all you can do is write half-a sentence about foobar. Well, frankly, if you are trying to convince anyone of anything, it is that you really have no recourse but to change the subject.

Frankly, anyone would be quite ignorant to categorize software as anything but crucially important. You actually beg the man to stop posting due to ignorance, when you refused to answer his question on various occasions. The fact of the matter is that the software MAKES the player. No IFS. No ANDS. No BUTS. NADA.

If I am planning to USE the player, I will have to DEAL with the software.

Example: I bought an $89 Sony NetMD Minidisc player more than a year ago. FANTASTIC PLAYER. The screen would scroll text, the audio quality was excellent, it was practically skip-proof, and the media was cheap. On the contrary, the software was appalling. It took forever to load, was a memory hog, was unstable, and demanded atrac conversion at some point. It was basically unusable.

That is why the player failed me. As a standalone device, it was nearly-perfect, but when I realized that it needed to be refilled with new music, I just had to let go and give it away.

Gurck. It would be wise of you to do whatever it is you do to find out about stuff and look up the importance of software. Software makes the OS. Software makes or breaks the game. In essence, it quite frankly 'MAKES" the user experience for almost every peripheral out there, from a snazzy TV interface to a fire wire driver.


oh, AND STOP FVKING BASHING THE IPODS. DON;T YOU HAVE ANYTHIG NBETTER TO DO?! I COME IN HERE AND DEFEND IT ONLY BECAUSE I HATE PEOPLE THAT PASS ON BAD OPINIONS> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST> WE ALL FVKIGN KNWO THAT IT HAS PROBLEMS> WE ALL FVKIGN KNOW THAT IT HAS A GOOD INTERFACE. WE ALL FVKING KNWO THAT THE SOFTWARE IS QUITE EFFECTIVE> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THE NUMBERS. PROMTE YOUR ALTERNATIVE AND ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE> THBSI BICKERING JUST MAKES US CALL YOU ON YOUR LIES> WE ALOL HAVE BETTER THIGNS TO DO.

AND WHERE THE FVK IS MY REMOTE CONTROL?!!!:|

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've read it a few times and I'm still not seeing a suggestion for a superior all-rounder alternative model. Lets brush that under the carpet until next time, shall we?

This grows tiresome. Honestly, consider not posting if you have to ignore things I've said more than once to continue the argument. Because a player's strength is in a certain area doesn't mean it's not also better in other areas.

I also should point out that itunes vs. other PC players is an entirely seperate debate and that itunes is free software. There's no reason one can't use itunes to play music on their PC while having a non-Apple DAP for their portable music needs or vice versa.

Itunes does not figure into the player debate.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GURCK!>!??!@#$


I thought about writing out a long-winded and aggressive or perhaps reserved argument, but yet again, your posts have made it useless before I have even begun.

The man tries to get you to spill the beans about what software + DAP combination is the best, and all you can do is write half-a sentence about foobar. Well, frankly, if you are trying to convince anyone of anything, it is that you really have no recourse but to change the subject.

Frankly, anyone would be quite ignorant to categorize software as anything but crucially important. You actually beg the man to stop posting due to ignorance, when you refused to answer his question on various occasions. The fact of the matter is that the software MAKES the player. No IFS. No ANDS. No BUTS. NADA.

If I am planning to USE the player, I will have to DEAL with the software.

Example: I bought an $89 Sony NetMD Minidisc player more than a year ago. FANTASTIC PLAYER. The screen would scroll text, the audio quality was excellent, it was practically skip-proof, and the media was cheap. On the contrary, the software was appalling. It took forever to load, was a memory hog, was unstable, and demanded atrac conversion at some point. It was basically unusable.

That is why the player failed me. As a standalone device, it was nearly-perfect, but when I realized that it needed to be refilled with new music, I just had to let go and give it away.

Gurck. It would be wise of you to do whatever it is you do to find out about stuff and look up the importance of software. Software makes the OS. Software makes or breaks the game. In essence, it quite frankly 'MAKES" the user experience for almost every peripheral out there, from a snazzy TV interface to a fire wire driver.


oh, AND STOP FVKING BASHING THE IPODS. DON;T YOU HAVE ANYTHIG NBETTER TO DO?! I COME IN HERE AND DEFEND IT ONLY BECAUSE I HATE PEOPLE THAT PASS ON BAD OPINIONS> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST> WE ALL FVKIGN KNWO THAT IT HAS PROBLEMS> WE ALL FVKIGN KNOW THAT IT HAS A GOOD INTERFACE. WE ALL FVKING KNWO THAT THE SOFTWARE IS QUITE EFFECTIVE> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THE NUMBERS. PROMTE YOUR ALTERNATIVE AND ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE> THBSI BICKERING JUST MAKES US CALL YOU ON YOUR LIES> WE ALOL HAVE BETTER THIGNS TO DO.

AND WHERE THE FVK IS MY REMOTE CONTROL?!!!:|

You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player. Itunes is a free download. It does not figure into the player debate; although it sucks, it's a different issue. If you think all I wrote in this thread is a half sentence about foobar, please read the rest of the post. I know this is difficult for someone still struggling his way through Dr. Seuss, but at least give it a shot k?

And... take your medication :Q

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've read it a few times and I'm still not seeing a suggestion for a superior all-rounder alternative model. Lets brush that under the carpet until next time, shall we?

This grows tiresome. Honestly, consider not posting if you have to ignore things I've said more than once to continue the argument. Because a player's strength is in a certain area doesn't mean it's not also better in other areas.

I also should point out that itunes vs. other PC players is an entirely seperate debate and that itunes is free software. There's no reason one can't use itunes to play music on their PC while having a non-Apple DAP for their portable music needs or vice versa.

Itunes does not figure into the player debate.

WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU GURCK!>!??!@#$


I thought about writing out a long-winded and aggressive or perhaps reserved argument, but yet again, your posts have made it useless before I have even begun.

The man tries to get you to spill the beans about what software + DAP combination is the best, and all you can do is write half-a sentence about foobar. Well, frankly, if you are trying to convince anyone of anything, it is that you really have no recourse but to change the subject.

Frankly, anyone would be quite ignorant to categorize software as anything but crucially important. You actually beg the man to stop posting due to ignorance, when you refused to answer his question on various occasions. The fact of the matter is that the software MAKES the player. No IFS. No ANDS. No BUTS. NADA.

If I am planning to USE the player, I will have to DEAL with the software.

Example: I bought an $89 Sony NetMD Minidisc player more than a year ago. FANTASTIC PLAYER. The screen would scroll text, the audio quality was excellent, it was practically skip-proof, and the media was cheap. On the contrary, the software was appalling. It took forever to load, was a memory hog, was unstable, and demanded atrac conversion at some point. It was basically unusable.

That is why the player failed me. As a standalone device, it was nearly-perfect, but when I realized that it needed to be refilled with new music, I just had to let go and give it away.

Gurck. It would be wise of you to do whatever it is you do to find out about stuff and look up the importance of software. Software makes the OS. Software makes or breaks the game. In essence, it quite frankly 'MAKES" the user experience for almost every peripheral out there, from a snazzy TV interface to a fire wire driver.


oh, AND STOP FVKING BASHING THE IPODS. DON;T YOU HAVE ANYTHIG NBETTER TO DO?! I COME IN HERE AND DEFEND IT ONLY BECAUSE I HATE PEOPLE THAT PASS ON BAD OPINIONS> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THAT IT IS NOT THE BEST> WE ALL FVKIGN KNWO THAT IT HAS PROBLEMS> WE ALL FVKIGN KNOW THAT IT HAS A GOOD INTERFACE. WE ALL FVKING KNWO THAT THE SOFTWARE IS QUITE EFFECTIVE> WE ALL FVKING KNOW THE NUMBERS. PROMTE YOUR ALTERNATIVE AND ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE> THBSI BICKERING JUST MAKES US CALL YOU ON YOUR LIES> WE ALOL HAVE BETTER THIGNS TO DO.

AND WHERE THE FVK IS MY REMOTE CONTROL?!!!:|

You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player. Itunes is a free download. It does not figure into the player debate; although it sucks, it's a different issue. If you think all I wrote in this thread is a half sentence about foobar, please read the rest of the post. I know this is difficult for someone still struggling his way through Dr. Seuss, but at least give it a shot k?

And... take your medication :Q

WOW....Like, OMG..you just, like, insulted my intelligence.

Classy.

The only thing I said similar to that was taht anyone would be quite ignorant of anyone not to classify software as crucially important.

And then you bring Dr. Seuss into this, god rest his soul:|


As yes, for the record, I am fvking with you.

As for the last remark, just hope that it was unintentional.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player.

What are you smoking? iTunes can only sync with an iPod, now, if you mean you can use it as a WMP/WinAmp/foobar replacement, then yes, but the only DAP it works with is the iPod

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Gurck
(snip)
You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player.
(snip)

...but that's not the point. The point is that you can't use an Ipod w/o iTunes. Using iTunes without a DAP is another thread, and has been done many times before. This thread is about the Ipod being tethered to bloated library-driven crap like iTunes, where a good player could use Explorer, Konquerer, Finder, etc..

 

[Koing]

It doesn't suck but here are my faults with it:

-Could be slightly smaller like the Sony NW-HD1 or NW-HD3
-Better battery life that LASTS when you have the dam thing shut off for more then 2-3 days
-LCD on the remote would be nice like my MD
-Headphone put stucks up like a sore thumb and is bad. Should come out at the side to be 'stronger'

I got it as at the time it was the best option even though I had faults with it.

Now it is still the best option for me but not 'perfect' yet.

When Sony get their act together and get the transfer speed to be better it would be great.

The white headphones is BS I'd just rather have it black. The white 'turns' to a more greyish thing after a while. That doesn't happen with black!

Size is paramount to me and anything else is a bit too thick or just doesn't have the capacity.

Koing

 

[piroroadkill]

OP, you're not the only one.

Yes, and yes.

 

[JungleMan1]

I don't think they "suck", but I think for the money you can do a hell of a lot better

Let's put it this way, if I were in the market for an MP3 player, I wouldn't even consider one

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Gurck
(snip)
You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player.
(snip)

...but that's not the point. The point is that you can't use an Ipod w/o iTunes. Using iTunes without a DAP is another thread, and has been done many times before. This thread is about the Ipod being tethered to bloated library-driven crap like iTunes, where a good player could use Explorer, Konquerer, Finder, etc..

It's true you need itunes or an unsupported 3rd party program to put music on an ipod or take it off - many of these aftermarket programs are buggy as well - I was just making the point that the thread is about the player, not itunes vs. foobar/winamp. I'll happily debate why a file manager and foobar are better, I've gone into it a bit but probably more than I should have; it's off topic. Amusing though, that ipod proponents are so lacking in arguments, yet so unwilling to admit the awful truth about the piece of crap, that they need to claim the money buys you software which is already free and go off topic to even give a semblance of a real debate

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: jst0ney
I'm of the opinion that there are tons of better mp3 payers out there. I have owned a number of them. The user interface is what sets ipod apart. I haven't used an easier to use mp3 player than the ipod. For the people here on these forums, we can get around techy stuff pretty well, but common folk have problems. Companies have some work to do in the ease of use department.

That, combined with the fact that the iPod tends to stay one step ahead of their competition in the size arena are part of what keep Apple at the top of the heap. When you're mobile, size and interface along with a decent amount of battery life (iPod falls behind in this area, but the 10+ hours of recent models are more than sufficient for all but the most diehard of music listeners) tend to be paramount. It's a matter of having convenient access to music, something which the iPod tends to be grand at.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: Gurck
(snip)
You don't have to use itunes with an ipod, and you can use itunes with a non-Apple player.
(snip)

...but that's not the point. The point is that you can't use an Ipod w/o iTunes. Using iTunes without a DAP is another thread, and has been done many times before. This thread is about the Ipod being tethered to bloated library-driven crap like iTunes, where a good player could use Explorer, Konquerer, Finder, etc..

It's true you need itunes or an unsupported 3rd party program to put music on an ipod or take it off - many of these aftermarket programs are buggy as well - I was just making the point that the thread is about the player, not itunes vs. foobar/winamp. I'll happily debate why a file manager and foobar are better, I've gone into it a bit but probably more than I should have; it's off topic. Amusing though, that ipod proponents are so lacking in arguments, yet so unwilling to admit the awful truth about the piece of crap, that they need to claim the money buys you software which is already free and go off topic to even give a semblance of a real debate

What awful truth?

I don't care if anything is cheaper

I paid for quality, myPod has suffered drops from 6+ feet and nothing has happened to it. Sadly for my pro-Creative friend, his Muvo Slim fell from no more than 1 foot, and now dust is seeping into the player (behind the screen)

I don't care if anything sounds better

I'm not an audiophile, my ears can't pick up supersonic sounds, I don't give a fvck what it sounds like, as long as it isn't some crappy $5 pair of headphones, I'm happy

I don't need a radio, I don't need line-in recording

Self-explanitory

I don't want a brick in my pocket

There is only ONE other player on the market with a similar form factor, AFAIK, its actually thinner, the iAudio M3, but excuse me, I need a screen on my player (wtf was apple thinking with the Shuffle? although, I have to admit, its nice for gym/jogging/etc)

Do you really think you are going to convince any of the iPod fans here that what they bought sucks, and that a Creative Zen Xtra is better? I've seen the unit first-hand, its UGLY, its HEAVY, its the size of a TRACTOR, and I have to deal with Creative's bloatware

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: sheik124
(snip)

I don't want a brick in my pocket

There is only ONE other player on the market with a similar form factor, AFAIK, its actually thinner, the iAudio M3, but excuse me, I need a screen on my player (wtf was apple thinking with the Shuffle? although, I have to admit, its nice for gym/jogging/etc)

The iAudio U2 is closer to the Shuffle, and has a screen. The iAudio G3 is newer, also has a screen, and takes normal batteries. The iAudio M3 does not have a screen on itself, but has a screen on the wired remote. Why complain that a company offers products that can be differentiated? Either copying is good, or innovation is good. Which is it?

As for the shuffle...it's 1GB. 1GB. That's 10-20 albums at a decent quality, maybe as many as 30 at a straight 128kbps. Seriously, there's no need for a display.

Do you really think you are going to convince any of the iPod fans here that what they bought sucks, and that a Creative Zen Xtra is better? I've seen the unit first-hand, its UGLY, its HEAVY, its the size of a TRACTOR, and I have to deal with Creative's bloatware

No additional comments to that. iAudio and iRiver have some nice players...Creatives are only good because of the low price for the features.

(edited for clarification)

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: sheik124
(snip)

I don't want a brick in my pocket

There is only ONE other player on the market with a similar form factor, AFAIK, its actually thinner, the iAudio M3, but excuse me, I need a screen on my player (wtf was apple thinking with the Shuffle? although, I have to admit, its nice for gym/jogging/etc)

It's actually the iAudio U2, and has a screen. The iAudio G3 is newer, also has a screen, and takes normal batteries. The iAudio M3 does not have a screen on itself, but has a screen on the wired remote.

As for the shuffle...it's 1GB. 1GB. That's 10-20 albums at a decent quality, maybe as many as 30 at a straight 128kbps. Seriously, there's no need for a display.

Do you really think you are going to convince any of the iPod fans here that what they bought sucks, and that a Creative Zen Xtra is better? I've seen the unit first-hand, its UGLY, its HEAVY, its the size of a TRACTOR, and I have to deal with Creative's bloatware

No additional comments to that. iAudio and iRiver have some nice players...Creatives are only good because of the low price for the features.

iRiver's stuff is way overpriced.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: Cerb

Originally posted by: sheik124
(snip)

I don't want a brick in my pocket

There is only ONE other player on the market with a similar form factor, AFAIK, its actually thinner, the iAudio M3, but excuse me, I need a screen on my player (wtf was apple thinking with the Shuffle? although, I have to admit, its nice for gym/jogging/etc)

It's actually the iAudio U2, and has a screen. The iAudio G3 is newer, also has a screen, and takes normal batteries. The iAudio M3 does not have a screen on itself, but has a screen on the wired remote.

As for the shuffle...it's 1GB. 1GB. That's 10-20 albums at a decent quality, maybe as many as 30 at a straight 128kbps. Seriously, there's no need for a display.

Do you really think you are going to convince any of the iPod fans here that what they bought sucks, and that a Creative Zen Xtra is better? I've seen the unit first-hand, its UGLY, its HEAVY, its the size of a TRACTOR, and I have to deal with Creative's bloatware

No additional comments to that. iAudio and iRiver have some nice players...Creatives are only good because of the low price for the features.

iRiver's stuff is way overpriced.

How so? They are right in line with competitors.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sheik124
What awful truth?

That the hdd-based ipod models suck and are overpriced.

I paid for quality, myPod has suffered drops from 6+ feet and nothing has happened to it. Sadly for my pro-Creative friend, his Muvo Slim fell from no more than 1 foot, and now dust is seeping into the player (behind the screen)

Again, I'd be more interested in numbers. Until you can provide them, say nothing - anecdotal evidence is a sure sign of a losing argument. For everyone who feels the way you do there's someone else whose ipod stopped working but whose friend abused their <non-apple DAP> and had it still work.

I'm not an audiophile, my ears can't pick up supersonic sounds, I don't give a fvck what it sounds like, as long as it isn't some crappy $5 pair of headphones, I'm happy

This doesn't explain why the ipod should cost more. It's a copout, a weak counterpoint to the very important point that other players offer better sound quality for less money.

I don't need a radio, I don't need line-in recording

See above.

Do you really think you are going to convince any of the iPod fans here that what they bought sucks, and that a Creative Zen Xtra is better? I've seen the unit first-hand, its UGLY, its HEAVY, its the size of a TRACTOR, and I have to deal with Creative's bloatware

Yes, the ipod is ugly At least to those of us old enough to not think bling-bling gaudy colors and garish lights are attractive. Generally happens at some point in the late teens... The ipod is ricey. Anyhow, if you want a small player, there are choices other than Creative's. The Zen's selling point is 40gb of capacity for $200.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

I'm not a big fan of the lights on the iPod either, and one of the sole reasons I got the U2 iPod over the normal one is so that people wouldn't be able to tell I had an iPod, and thats why I refuse to wear any white headphones. But you still don't get it, I don't care that if I would've bought a Creative POS I would've gotten better sound quality, because 1. I probably can't pick it up on my set of earphones 2. My ears probably couldn't tell anyways. And you haven't given me any numbers either, and you haven't given me any first-hand stories, you have a smaller chance than I do of winning this argument wise-ass.

As far as iRiver's players being overpriced, their flash players are much more expensive than the competition (their HDD based players are right in line with Apple's prices)
Apple iPod Shuffle 512 MB $99 - http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
Creative MuVo TX FM 512 MB $119 - http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=55-102-134&depa=0
Apple iPod Shuffle 1 GB $149 - http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
iRiver iFP-795 512 MB $173.99 (iRiver......iPod, trying to imitate greatness here) - http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=55-150-028&depa=0

 

[pennylane]

Originally posted by: sheik124
I refuse to wear any white headphones.

Me too. I scoff at anybody wearing white ipod earbuds.
(Go Sennheiser)

 

[yukichigai]

As an mp3 player there's nothing wrong with the iPod.

As a Digital Music Player it is severely lacking. No next-gen format support for one. (unless you count AAC) If it had Ogg support and a few others I might buy it; as it is I'm saving for a iRiver.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Gurck
I was just making the point that the thread is about the player, not itunes vs. foobar/winamp. I'll happily debate why a file manager and foobar are better, I've gone into it a bit but probably more than I should have; it's off topic. Amusing though, that ipod proponents are so lacking in arguments, yet so unwilling to admit the awful truth about the piece of crap, that they need to claim the money buys you software which is already free and go off topic to even give a semblance of a real debate

I disagree. It is a DIGITAL AUDIO player. It requires DIGITAL INPUT. DIGITAL INPUT IS ESSENTIAL

Even iriver or iM aren't marketing their PLAYERS primarily as RECORDERS.

Bascially, the majority of people will be using Personal Computers/Macs to put music on their DAP. From this, I have come to the conclusion that software is CRUCIAL when it comes to a DAP's functionality. Honestly, when I get down to it, I don't even use 50% of my Ipod's features. Hell, when I go into the library, I scroll to my "Favorite Classical" playlist. At the gym, I choose "gym," and when driving, I choose "favorites (all)."

All in about 1 or 2 clicks/spins.

Everything important takes place in the background...playlists(besides the on-the-go), smart playlists, tags etc.

You are free to spew your own opinion, but don't dare say that the Ipod sucks. That is jsut an unstiantiated lie. Criticize it, but don't generalize for your ego's sake. The big players all make usuable and downright "acceptable" players.


:yawn;

And for therecord...'yadayada'

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sheik124
I'm not a big fan of the lights on the iPod either, and one of the sole reasons I got the U2 iPod over the normal one is so that people wouldn't be able to tell I had an iPod, and thats why I refuse to wear any white headphones. But you still don't get it, I don't care that if I would've bought a Creative POS I would've gotten better sound quality, because 1. I probably can't pick it up on my set of earphones 2. My ears probably couldn't tell anyways. And you haven't given me any numbers either, and you haven't given me any first-hand stories, you have a smaller chance than I do of winning this argument wise-ass.

As far as iRiver's players being overpriced, their flash players are much more expensive than the competition (their HDD based players are right in line with Apple's prices)
Apple iPod Shuffle 512 MB $99 - http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
Creative MuVo TX FM 512 MB $119 - http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=55-102-134&depa=0
Apple iPod Shuffle 1 GB $149 - http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
iRiver iFP-795 512 MB $173.99 (iRiver......iPod, trying to imitate greatness here) - http://www.newegg.com/app/View...tion=55-150-028&depa=0

Er... I've already won the argument I've made many valid and indisputable points while ipod lovers have made all kinds of ridiculous claims (such as headphone amps requiring car batteries), made personal attacks (such as the ipod is good because they don't like my dog) and butchered the English language beyond my worst nightmares in doing so.

I haven't given numbers because I'm not the one who brought up reliability; the burden of proving build quality is on you here. I haven't given firsthand accounts because they mean nothing. And this isn't about flash players, genius If you'd actually read the thread (butt lemme gess reedin iz 2 hrd 4 u???//), you'd see that I said the Shuffle looks like a decent deal. But keep trying to change the subject if you can't win, it says a lot about you I'm waiting for the insult directed at my mother, at this point. It's about the only other thing you kids can come up with...

 

[James3shin]

what does winning an argument over a message board get you? Lemme go get my cookie jar... :laugh: I love my ipod and I don't think i made any ludicrous claims, did someone really go after your dog? I didn't bother reading all 6 pages. To each there own, whatever floats your boat, whether it be a iriver, a zen, a ipod, or some other player, enjoy the moozack folks! Did Mango ever say which he player he chose?