Am I the only one that thinks the Ipod sucks?

[biostud]

I have the Muvo^2 4Gb but I would really like to have it changed to the zen micro.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: remagavon
Elitist much? You really need to pull the stick out of your ass Gurk, and take sh!t while you're at it so you won't be so full of yourself. I've never seen a person so dedicated to slamming someone else's choice of a music player, or software for that matter.

You know, you really are much better than everyone, in every single way. :roll:

The 95+ % of people who bend over backwards to bring others down are ok though? Thanks for the quote, at any rate

 

[EmoHawk]

Originally posted by: Gurck
You paid full price for lossy music? :laugh: Anyhow, if you want to play 20 tracks, a flash player might be a better option for you. I haven't been paying much attention since I'm not interested in flash players, but is the shuffle thing I'm hearing about $100 for 512mb of storage? That's actually not a bad deal at all in comparison to many flash players. I've seen some for as much as $200.

May I be the first to congratulate Gurck for being able to say that an apple product might be good. I hope this brings an end to the whole apple loving or hating attitude and leads to more balanced evaluations in the future. Ones which are directed towards the individual product and not the company.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

I said the 20 tunes I bought from the iTMS, I have 200 other tracks on here
EXACTLY, you haven't installed QT in years. Honestly, I really don't know how you can call yourself an AT'er, yet are too incompetent to stop an application from making its own file associations, on the upwards of 50 PCs I have loaded QuickTime onto, I have never had a problem with file associations, I uncheck all boxes in BOTH MIME and file association sections, and I'm fine.
That "Ditzney Spears" statement just makes you appear more childish, Average Joes are what account for 99% of sales, not AT'ers.
And Creative MediaSource changed every last one of my buddy's media related file associations, and it brings his older 900 mhz Athlon to its knees, iTunes ran on it without a problem. You really need to get your head out of your ass, and realize, people will buy product A (say, an iPod), and people will buy the knockoff product B (Creative Zen Touch) that is cheaper but comes with software that a monkey could have developed, and the build quality of a graham cracker.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: EmoHawk

Originally posted by: Gurck
You paid full price for lossy music? :laugh: Anyhow, if you want to play 20 tracks, a flash player might be a better option for you. I haven't been paying much attention since I'm not interested in flash players, but is the shuffle thing I'm hearing about $100 for 512mb of storage? That's actually not a bad deal at all in comparison to many flash players. I've seen some for as much as $200.

May I be the first to congratulate Gurck for being able to say that an apple product might be good. I hope this brings an end to the whole apple loving or hating attitude and leads to more balanced evaluations in the future. Ones which are directed towards the individual product and not the company.

This has always been my argument; I've never made it personal except in reply to those who take the first step in that direction - which is a lot of people, unfortunately

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sheik124
EXACTLY, you haven't installed QT in years.

Read the rest of my post, then edit this statement out. Learn from this mistake; in the future, read posts before replying and appear literate

Honestly, I really don't know how you can call yourself an AT'er, yet are too incompetent to stop an application from making its own file associations

Who said I couldn't do it? The point is that I shouldn't have to be bothered.

That "Ditzney Spears" statement just makes you appear more childish, Average Joes are what account for 99% of sales, not AT'ers.

I've stated before that Apple's business strategy is a winner; that I'd attempt to emulate it if I ran a similar business. That doesn't make the ipod good, it lines Apple's pockets. Apples and oranges. This is AT, thus ATers are who are discussing it. Make sense?

 

[EmoHawk]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EmoHawk

Originally posted by: Gurck
You paid full price for lossy music? :laugh: Anyhow, if you want to play 20 tracks, a flash player might be a better option for you. I haven't been paying much attention since I'm not interested in flash players, but is the shuffle thing I'm hearing about $100 for 512mb of storage? That's actually not a bad deal at all in comparison to many flash players. I've seen some for as much as $200.

May I be the first to congratulate Gurck for being able to say that an apple product might be good. I hope this brings an end to the whole apple loving or hating attitude and leads to more balanced evaluations in the future. Ones which are directed towards the individual product and not the company.

This has always been my argument; I've never made it personal except in reply to those who take the first step in that direction - which is a lot of people, unfortunately

But it always seems like you are closed to others opinions. Why do you make such bold sweeping statements about people who like iPods?

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Who said I couldn't do it? The point is that I shouldn't have to be bothered.

And those 3 friends of mine shouldn't have had to been bothered by Creative's software either

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: EmoHawk
But it always seems like you are closed to others opinions. Why do you make such bold sweeping statements about people who like iPods?

Because logic supports them. Let's have a little brainstorming session, shall we? Why don't we come up with some theories to answer this question:

Why would a player enjoy a greater market share than its sonically superior, more feature-packed and less expensive competition?

I'll start; some possible explanations are that the average buyer:

1) simply buys what they see TV ads for, without doing any research
2) isn't tech-savvy enough to manage their music and needs their hand held
3) is concerned only with what others think; ie. making a fashion statement by doing what's "in"
4) isn't concerned with price because his/her parents are paying for it

These are honestly the only things I can come up with. Please feel free to add to the list of hypotheses, if I see a good one I may alter my stance somewhat.

Also keep in mind that it's the only DAP which has spawned the pyramid scam website and its accompanying forum spam; scams like those are generally only something the young, foolish and/or stupid fall for. If the average ipod user was none of the above, how would the site continue to turn a profit and thus exist? Perhaps we'll brainstorm on that question later if you find it an interesting enough topic.

Originally posted by: sheik124
And those 3 friends of mine shouldn't have had to been bothered by Creative's software either

Quite possibly not; as I said, I haven't had the opportunity to use Creative's DAP syncing software, and so won't speak on it either way. However, even if it is as bad as you claim, it is no worse than the ipod in that department - and still superior in terms of value and sound quality.

 

[loic2003]

I've read it a few times and I'm still not seeing a suggestion for a superior all-rounder alternative model. Lets brush that under the carpet until next time, shall we?

It's the most expensive, installs malware on your PC, gives you no choice other than itunes, is the ugliest, has the worst sound quality, has no features, etc. - how is that the best all around player

Read previous essay-length post.

If you don't know what music you have, perhaps you should stop pirating so much of it? Personally I can list probably 80-90% of my albums off the top of my head. I know exactly where they are and don't need an interface designed for stupid people to manage them.

LoL "uhh.... just remember everything" is it 1950 still? you'll find that the number one use for computers is for organising data efficiently and very quickly. I shouldn't have to remember where each tune in my collection is, it's not my job, I have more important things to think about.

Ta for numbering my quotes:

1) What if I want to rename all the ID3 tags of an album?
2) What if i want to play my most/least played tracks?
3) What if I want to organise my music by the date it was created? (bear in mind that moving a track from one HD to another resets the created date in IE)
4) What about playlists?
5) Cross platform ability?

1) foobar2000 Masstagging is just one of a million reasons
2) What's stopping you? Play it.
3) Why would you want to organize your music by the rip date? Not flaming, just curious, I see no possible reason. At any rate, I haven't looked into it but I'd assume one of the 3rd party file managers out there would do this.
4) Foobar & Winamp both do them, what about it?
5) Not a concern for me or for most people. I do find it laughable though that Apple comes up with their own standards, which makes everything more difficult, and then their fans claim support for said standards as a pro for their products

1) ok, so it can masstag, but look at it. Where's the play count/rating/music store/individual EQ settings for each track/track trimming/individual volume adjustment for each track?
2) Play count?
3) Over the years my music tastes have changed significantly. I like to look at what I was adding to my collection say, 4 years ago and listen to them. Or if I remember adding a particular song which I have forgotten the name of at the same time as another which I do remember the name, I can search for it by date added. Or I can create a smart playlist and just play all of my latest tunes added.
Yeah you could get a 3rd part program to probably do it, but you're already looking at using explorer plus a program such a foobar, then another 3rd party program in order to do less than iTunes already does in one neat package.
4) True, but not smart playlists which are seriously useful.
5) You talk about choice often. Why should people be forced to use windows? You know about it's stability, security and butt-ugly interface.
As for apple making their own standards, are you saying we should rid the world of the linux and apple formats and trust good ol' Billy G to make up all the standards? It doesn't make sense. Microsoft try very hard to make their software non-compatible (ever tried using a third party mail program with hotmail?).

Blag is slang (possibly British?) originating from the french word "blague" meaning joke. The meaning is similar to BS. Nothing to do with bragging. And no, I'm not high or drunk.

 

[EmoHawk]

For a minute there I thought you were gonna be reasonable, but then you slip straight back into the same old blinkered arguments. I tried.. and failed. Why are you talking on a forum? You need a soap box so you can spread your knowledge to others that are less fortunate. Its a shame that despite your age, wisdom and iq you have nothing better to do than converse with people who you obviously feel are inferior to you. Maybe you should use your intelect to find someone more opinionated than yourself.

Edited due to lack of intellect

 

[James3shin]

thanks for the link gurck, i've listened to the irivers and my ipods through the stock buds, but the clear advantage of the iriver (i believe it was one of the HPs) I listened to was the fact that it was amped, albeit an internal amp but still it had extra juice giving it a much more detailed/pleasant sound...im sure if there were numbers comparing the non amped HDD players interms of numbers, they would be fairly close.

- Here are my rankings for overall sound quality when it comes to HDD MP3 players:
1. Iriver
2. Everything else

- Design(aesthetics):
1. Ipod
2. Iriver H10
3. Zens

- Ease of Use:
1. Ipod
2. Zens
3. Iriver

When I was searching for a MP3 player, i wanted a nice balance of space, something that i can change on the fly without looking at the screen while i ran, with decent quality. I was down to the ipod mini(which i ended up with) and the zen micro, the irivers I imagined would have been too cumbersome while i ran so I ruled them out. I chose the mini over the micro due to its ease of use right off the bat..the micro wasn't too bad, but I could easily navigate the mini without looking at it. Just my 2 cents

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: loic2003
I've read it a few times and I'm still not seeing a suggestion for a superior all-rounder alternative model. Lets brush that under the carpet until next time, shall we?

This grows tiresome. Honestly, consider not posting if you have to ignore things I've said more than once to continue the argument. Because a player's strength is in a certain area doesn't mean it's not also better in other areas.

I also should point out that itunes vs. other PC players is an entirely seperate debate and that itunes is free software. There's no reason one can't use itunes to play music on their PC while having a non-Apple DAP for their portable music needs or vice versa.

Itunes does not figure into the player debate.

If you don't know what music you have, perhaps you should stop pirating so much of it? Personally I can list probably 80-90% of my albums off the top of my head. I know exactly where they are and don't need an interface designed for stupid people to manage them.

LoL "uhh.... just remember everything" is it 1950 still? you'll find that the number one use for computers is for organising data efficiently and very quickly. I shouldn't have to remember where each tune in my collection is, it's not my job, I have more important things to think about.

*shrug* it's nothing I've made a concerted effort to do, I just know what music I have. My collection consists of about 400 albums fwiw; ~6000 songs, 40gb. I don't see the difference between knowing what you want to hear and typing it, scrolling to it or using a playlist. If you know what you want to hear, you know what you want to hear

1) ok, so it can masstag, but look at it. Where's the play count/rating/music store/individual EQ settings for each track/track trimming/individual volume adjustment for each track?
2) Play count?
3) Over the years my music tastes have changed significantly. I like to look at what I was adding to my collection say, 4 years ago and listen to them. Or if I remember adding a particular song which I have forgotten the name of at the same time as another which I do remember the name, I can search for it by date added. Or I can create a smart playlist and just play all of my latest tunes added.
Yeah you could get a 3rd part program to probably do it, but you're already looking at using explorer plus a program such a foobar, then another 3rd party program in order to do less than iTunes already does in one neat package.
4) True, but not smart playlists which are seriously useful.
5) You talk about choice often. Why should people be forced to use windows? You know about it's stability, security and butt-ugly interface.
As for apple making their own standards, are you saying we should rid the world of the linux and apple formats and trust good ol' Billy G to make up all the standards? It doesn't make sense. Microsoft try very hard to make their software non-compatible (ever tried using a third party mail program with hotmail?).

1-4) I fail to see the need, and consider it bloat. Keep in mind that, afaik at least, itunes doesn't support ASIO or kernel streaming. :thumbsdown: (if there's a plugin, please let me know - regardless, foobar supports KS natively).
5) M$ doesn't own standards like flac, mp3, ogg, etc... I dislike wma as much as I do aac. Apple supporting only the most common standard (mp3) and striking off on their own with proprietary standards is every bit as bad as M$. What's funny is that fans then claim that support of <apple proprietary format> is a "feature" :laugh:

 

[mrSHEiK124]

I've tried most formats (MP3, WMA in all its flavors, OGG, FLAC, ALAC, and AAC) and frankly, AAC/ALAC sound just as good as OGG/FLAC to me.
Point being, I'm happy with my purchase, and unless someone releases a player that is as thin, can play AAC's (not that important, I only use AAC for ripping CDs I already own), has similar functionality, and is significantly cheaper, then I'm staying with my iPod. I'm not going to post in this thread anymore, its clear that there are two types of people here, those who have extreme hate for iPod, and those who like iPod, and I doubt any are jumping ship anytime soon.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: EmoHawk
For a minute there I thought you were gonna be reasonable, but then you slip straight back into the same old blinkered arguments. I tried.. and failed. Why are you talking on a forum? You need a soap box so you can spread your knowledge to others that are less fortunate. Its a shame that despite your age, wisdom and iq you have nothing better to do than converse with people who you obviously feel are inferior to you. Maybe you should use your intelect to find someone more opinionated than yourself.

Edited due to lack of intellect

Couldn't come up with any theories, could you?

Originally posted by: James3shin
thanks for the link gurck, i've listened to the irivers and my ipods through the stock buds, but the clear advantage of the iriver (i believe it was one of the HPs) I listened to was the fact that it was amped, albeit an internal amp but still it had extra juice giving it a much more detailed/pleasant sound...im sure if there were numbers comparing the non amped HDD players interms of numbers, they would be fairly close.

Yes, the ipod's line out has good sound quality. The problem is that on a portable player; the headphone jack is what matters. Unfortunately Apple decided on TV commercials rather than quality headphone jacks; it sells more units. You have any idea what it costs to advertise during sports playoffs?

 

[James3shin]

everyone posting on this thread has a good point about product A and product B, its just how things work, product A will be better at certain things then product B and vice versa, the ultimate thing for Mango to do is go out and listen to the various products and find which suits him best.

 

[James3shin]

either way the ipods sound quality isn't nearly as people make it out to be, even through the headphone jack with some E3C's, they apparently sound pretty nice, i want my HD580's back from Sennheiser to check out how the pod sounds for general inhouse use.

 

[Rudee]

When the iPod can get a 20+ hour battery life, they will then be worth the hype. Right now they are not.

 

[EmoHawk]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: EmoHawk
For a minute there I thought you were gonna be reasonable, but then you slip straight back into the same old blinkered arguments. I tried.. and failed. Why are you talking on a forum? You need a soap box so you can spread your knowledge to others that are less fortunate. Its a shame that despite your age, wisdom and iq you have nothing better to do than converse with people who you obviously feel are inferior to you. Maybe you should use your intelect to find someone more opinionated than yourself.

Edited due to lack of intellect

Couldn't come up with any theories, could you?

What if my mp3 player looks are more important to me than the sound quality? Am I worng? Can I not have that opinion? Can I therefore not say, that an iPod does not suck? (Excuse the double negative) Read the thread title, realise that people are allowed to have opinions that are wrong or stupid or based on a lack of knowledge. Post weather you think iPods suck. Leave.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: EmoHawk
What if my mp3 player looks are more important to me than the sound quality? Am I worng? Can I not have that opinion? Can I therefore not say, that an iPod does not suck? (Excuse the double negative) Read the thread title, realise that people are allowed to have opinions that are wrong or stupid or based on a lack of knowledge. Post weather you think iPods suck. Leave.

Thanks, you're the first person I've ever seen admit that impressing their friends is worth $100 to them. I commend your honesty. That being said, I think you can infer what I think of shallow and/or young people (those more likely to jump through hoops in the name of fashion or peer pressure). I've also noticed that as people age, they prefer refined elegance to 'bling-bling'; loud, gaudy colors and lights - not to mention pretentiousness - hallmarks of the iProduct consumer stereotype.

It's really just a logical extension of my 3rd listed theory - "is concerned only with what others think; ie. making a fashion statement by doing what's "in""

 

[EmoHawk]

I said what if not I, but you get my point now at least.

 

[exorr]

The iPod is so easy to use. My wife loves it. Sure I could of saved $100 and gotten a different branded model, but why? She loves it and probably would be frustrated with any other one that wasn't so easy to use. There are also a lot of nice accessories available with the ipod.

So I guess it all depends, sure there are cheaper ones out there, but ease of use as got to be worth something. I mean seriously, I installed the software, plugged the iPod in, and all the music was moved to the iPod and done. It was that easy.

 

[b3b0p]

I have had 2 ipods. First one broke from just basic use (not dropped, not beat on, just used like it should be). It flat out just died.

The second ipod was given to me because it was broken, partially anyway. I can only use about 4GB of the 15GB before the thing crashes and the battery lasts maybe 90 minutes. The original owner took care of it like it was her own baby. She was devastated when it stopped working correctly and Apple said, sorry, out of warranty.

I would have to say the ipod really does suck. Having had 2 of them now. Sure it looks pretty neat and using it is piece of cake, but the reliability, quality, and price really are not very good at all. In fact, I would say the ipod reliability, quality, and price just plum suck.

I got my brother a Nomad Zen Xtra for Christmas this year because his ipod also broke. He loves it and says it is way better then his ipod. I checked it out, and sure it is not as nice to use, very slightly a little larger, and does not look as good. However, the battery lasts longer and is replaceable. The hard drive is twice the size for half the money. The sound quality is leaps and bounds better. And there are 3rd party music managers (notmad) that are way better to use then iTunes. Don't get me started on iTunes either. That is the worst kludgy piece of software I have ever used for playing music.

No fanboyism in this post as I owned 2 macs before I finally got a PC. I had a 15" powerbook and a 17" Powerbook. Loved them both dearly. In fact, the best laptops I have ever owned and used. However, they were useless for my work and just got tired of switching from one to another for work purposes.

If this current partially dead ipod I have breaks I will be devastated also. I only use it to walk to and from class and block out background noise while I study. If it breaks, walking to class will feel like it takes hours and studying will suffer I am afraid with all the outside distractions. If I was going to purchase a music player I would either get a (used?) iRiver (20GB+), a Nomad, or Minidisc (HD).


Chris

 

[g8wayrebel]

I don't think Ipods suck. I think them existing has opened a lot of technology due to competition and the public knowledge the controversies have created. They have created a much larger base for private P2P networks which are extremely hard to detect and thereby prosecute for file exchanges. I do think the company getting on board with the RIAA and Hollywood where encryption is concerned blows big chunks. I would never buy an Ipod , but there are lots of others with many more capabilities I would consider.Thank you Ipod for causing good, well priced items to be brought to the market.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
I just wonder if I'm the only one out here that thinks the Ipod sucks. I see these kids with thier Ipods and I'm wondering if they know how crappy they are. I see my friend all the time complaining about how they've cracked the screen on it or that it died. It just baffles me, is the reason why people think it's so "great" is that because of marketing?

Apple fans are welcome.

nah i agree... ipods suck

most ppl who buy the ipods, do so cause they couldn't handle anything more complicated