AM1 (FS1b) motherboards at Newegg!

[KDOG]

That's interesting. I'm surprised that they didn't put an AC wifi adapter though.

 

[KDOG]

Also interesting to note that the MicroATX Asus board is 7 bucks cheaper than the Mini ITX board. Guess they're charging a little bit of a premium for the smaller size?

 

[cbn]

Also interesting to note that the MicroATX Asus board is 7 bucks cheaper than the Mini ITX board. Guess they're charging a little bit of a premium for the smaller size?

According to the following post the Micro-ATX ASUS may have better OC potential as well:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36325211&postcount=245

Well, all I can add is what I already tested: using Asus AM1I-A and Athlon 5350 I was able to reach 2.7Ghz.

The main problem in going even further seemed to be the mainboard OC features. The mATX Asus AM1M-A board may very well solve these problems since it brings Load Line Calibration and adjustable North Bridge voltage among other things. Add a lucky Kabini chip and it may work.

However, keep in mind the stock cooler barely handles 2.7Ghz @ 1.5V.

 

[KDOG]

Nice. In my cart....

 

[cbn]

What FM2 motherboard do you want to use?

P.S. If you are looking for a cheaper FM2 cpu there is also the A4-4000 richland (3.2 Ghz dual core) for $45 at Newegg. It is actually an interesting comparison to Kabini because it has the same 128 stream processor for the iGPU.

Thanks for the info, still on the fence deciding.
I was planning on a Gigabyte A55 board

If you don't need usb 3.0 or MINI-ITX, then I would seriously consider that FM2 board then. (It's only $40 AR at Newegg in the US.)

The iGPU on the $45 A4-4000 is actually better than the GPU on the $60 Athlon 5350. (Re; the clocks are higher 720 Mhz vs. 600 Mhz and FM2 boards have dual channel memory.....although I am not sure how much difference the dual channel makes at such a low level of iGPU)

Also, the A4-4000 will have much better single thread performance.

P.S. The FM2 (A55 chipset) has more SATA ports (four vs. two), but they are 3 Gbps rather than than the 6 Gbps on the AM1.

 

[cbn]

A new AM1 board just got added to Newegg (there are now ten AM1 boards listed):

GIGABYTE GA-AM1M-S2P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128695

($39.99 plus $5.99 shipping)

It adds a COM and LPT port ( while removing HDMI) on the rear panel compared to the Gigabyte GA-AM1M-S2H listed in the opening post of this thread. In addition, one of the PCI-E x1 slots is replaced with PCI.

 

[Ketchup]

Funny when I look at that board, (the GA-AM1M-S2P) it looks like the board that's in my 2006 Compaq: 2 SATA ports, parallel port, and all.

 

[KDOG]

As much as I'm excited about these, I think I will wait until they have one with an AC level wifi adapter on board. I don't think it will be too long.

 

[mohit9206]

So then which is better? A4-4000 and A55 mobo or 5350 and AM1 mobo ? For basic tasks like web browsing and video watching ofcourse.

 

[atakall]

So then which is better? A4-4000 and A55 mobo or 5350 and AM1 mobo ? For basic tasks like web browsing and video watching ofcourse.

5350 for several reasons:
(1) Other than gaming, the performance is almost entirely in favor of the 5350 especially in multi-threaded scenarios. There are extensive benchmarks (synthetic, browsing, gaming, etc) comparing both the A4-4000 & 5350 (among others) at this review: http://www.techspot.com/review/806-amd-kabini-vs-intel-bay-trail-d/page3.html

(2) For uses such as yours, power efficiency is an even greater consideration since both chips are more than adequate. The 5350 is vastly more power efficient while under load and draws less power at idle. See page 8 of the review mentioned above. The 5350 idled at 28 vs. 31 (4000), CPU load 44 vs 72, and CPU + GPU load 51 vs 86. Those for the 5350 may be high as well. I'm idling a 5350 with a 240gb SSD, 2 5900rpm Hard drives, and a PCI-E ethernet card at 28w (Windows Home Server 2011).

(3) Since power efficiency is a greater goal given the circumstances (usage is more than satisfied by both chips), the AM1 board provides for a (speculatively) greater upgrade path. The FM boards will not be the socket for the most efficient chips. IMO, the AM1 will be. Thus, Beema will likely end up as a AM1 socketed chip (no guarantees of course as AMD has not announced such).

(4) GCN - the 5350 has the GCN architecture so it has some future upside as more software takes advantage of it.

(5) The 5350 will support Mantle which may provide additional gaming gains in the future for those games that use them. Again, though, neither chip is going to be adequate for intensive high res gaming.

(6) Last, but certainly not least, an A55 mobo is limited to SATA 2. The 5350 supports SATA 3. If you use an SSD, or may in the future, you want SATA 3.

Even if you consider the A4-4000, you should not buy an A55 for the lack of SATA 3 support. Also, many A55 mobo's will not support an upgrade path to Kaveri. Your safest bet is an A78 or A88 mobo if you go the A4-4000 route. See chipset/cpu support chart at http://www.anandtech.com/show/7677/amd-kaveri-review-a8-7600-a10-7850k/8

Hope this helps.

 

[cbn]

Newest AM1 board showed up on Newegg:

ASRock AM1B-MDH

($34.99 plus $6.98 shipping)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157519

(Notice it adds DVI and HDMI compared to that other Asrock Micro-ATX in post #6)

 

[cbn]

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4976#ov

Source: http://www.fanlesstech.com/2014/04/a-duo-of-kabini-motherboards.html

The Gigabyte E2100N is now on Newegg for $72.99 plus $6.98 shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128738

 

[cbn]

ECS now has an AM1 link on their website (but the link is currently broken).

Will update this post when the website is working again.

(Looking forward to seeing what this ECS AM1 will have on it considering their boards are usually very affordable.)

EDIT: Here is the link--> http://www.ecsusa.com/ECSWebSite/Pr...oryID=1&DetailName=Feature&MenuID=192&LanID=0

 

[cbn]

Sempron 2650 is now $28.00 with free shipping (for orders over $35.00) at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

That helps, but I can only wonder why this dual core isn't clocked higher? (In contrast, When Intel makes a dual core Bay Trail-D in the form of a J1800, they give the processor the full amount of clockspeed available.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Sempron 2650 is now $28.00 with free shipping (for orders over $35.00) at Amazon:

That helps, but I can only wonder why this dual core isn't clocked higher? (In contrast, When Intel makes a dual core Bay Trail-D in the form of a J1800, they give the processor the full amount of clockspeed available.)

Probably because GF's process tech sucks, and they had to bin cut-down versions to meet tdp.

 

[cbn]

Probably because GF's process tech sucks, and they had to bin cut-down versions to meet tdp.

I doubt this is the reason. Not only does AMD downclock the two cores, they also downclock the iGPU more than any of the other AM1 processors.

Furthermore, here is a test of AM1 power consumption:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_athlon_sempron&num=8

(Scroll down to the last graph, and you will see 5350 have the highest power consumption, followed by 5150 and 3850. Sempron 2650 power consumption is much lower than the first three processors.)

....So I don't think this has anything to do with TDP, but rather AMD's market segmentation practices.

 

[cbn]

Here is another power consumption test:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36306641&postcount=2575

It doesn't have 2650 in it, but as we can see the higher the bin, the higher the power consumption.

 

[cbn]

Here are some even better test results (this time with 2650):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8067/...athlon-53505150-and-sempron-38502650-tested/2

In conclusion, I don't think 2650 is down clocked because AMD can't make the TDP limit with some of its dies.

 

[cbn]

http://www.overclock.net/t/1495837/ecc-works-on-am1

(Two people from the thread report using ECC with ASUS AM1M-A)

Also note post #5, where it is claimed the updated manual for ASUS AM1M-A does indicate ECC conpatibility:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1495837/ecc-works-on-am1#post_22522363

 

[Airegin]

anyone using an ASRock AM1H-ITX? the reviews on Newegg scare me with all the booting issues but I want it because of the DC input, more SATA slots and USB3.0 headers. No other AM1 motherboard compares, yet it supposedly has some very bad issues.

 

[DrMrLordX]

So with the x4 530 and 550 iGPU-less Kabinis being announced, is anyone here planning an overclock attempt on one of those? I'm thinking ~2.9 ghz would be achievable assuming a bclk of 133 (which is the highest I've seen on the ASUS AM1I-A).

Obvious problems would entail getting a better heatsink on there and the possibility that Kabini just doesn't scale well when considering clocks per volt past ~2.5 ghz or so. I would love to see an nh-d14 on one of these things. Hey, I put one on a Sempron 140, why not an x4 550?

That being said, when flank3r had his 5150 at a bclk of 133, he seemed to think it was the iGPU holding back the overclock, so it is possible that the platform has the potential to hit bclks above 133.

 

[cbn]

Obvious problems would entail getting a better heatsink on there and the possibility that Kabini just doesn't scale well when considering clocks per volt past ~2.5 ghz or so. I would love to see an nh-d14 on one of these things. Hey, I put one on a Sempron 140, why not an x4 550?

Here are some earlier test results with a Athlon 5350, both underclocked/undervolted @ 1.6 GHz and overclocked/overvolted @ 2.7 GHz:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36301815&postcount=75

Just got a wattmeter so I have some fun power data to share about my Kabini system.

Idle load:
17-18W, the same as silentpcreview

Prime 95 load:
28W with CPU @ 1.6Ghz (-275mV offset, RAM @ 1.35V 1600Mhz)
62W with CPU @ 2.7Ghz (+205mV offset, RAM @ 1.65V 2288Mhz)

I also tested the stock radiator without fan (CPU @ 1.6Ghz undervolted), it can handle moderate loads as long as there's minimum airflow inside the case. (eg. power supply fan or a case fan at very low rpm).

When I have some spare time I'll change the thermal paste on the stock cooler and gather more/proper power&thermal data.

System config consists of: Athlon 5350, Asus AM1I-A, 2 x 4GB Kingston HyperX Beast, 128GB Kingston V180+ SSD, Fortron FSP350 60EGN 350W (Gold Rated, 88% efficiency at 20%load, likely to keep it up at 80% even at lower loads).

System level power consumption at the wall outlet did rise substantially with the processor and RAM overvolt/overclock. How much more is left is anyone's guess?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Hmm. The 28W figure comes from an undervolted CPU, so the spread between the overclocked chip and stock probably wouldn't be so dramatic. That being said, if it took an extra .2v to hit 2.7 ghz for a total of 1.605v vcore, then I don't see much hope for the chip reaching substantially higher clocks on air. Under phase or LN2, sure.

 

[Airegin]

Where did all the people who have an ASRock motherboard go?

 

[Airegin]

Here are some even better test results (this time with 2650):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8067/...athlon-53505150-and-sempron-38502650-tested/2

In conclusion, I don't think 2650 is down clocked because AMD can't make the TDP limit with some of its dies.

None of these figures are reliable since they used a 1250W power supply...

I do wonder what the actual power consumption is with an efficient picoPSU (or any case with built in DC-DC and external PSU)