AM2 review

[Metr0]

hello guys we have just finished our 1st part of our am2 review

http://www.chilehardware.cl/modules.php...d&name=hardware_reviews&file=200605231

hopefully you like it

 

[tuteja1986]

"Intel's Conroe spanks AMD FX-62's botty - for real!!" title says it all
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692&page=2

Intel Conroe vs AMD FX62

AMD in trouble in price/performance

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
"Intel's Conroe spanks AMD FX-62's botty - for real!!" title says it all
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692&page=2

Intel Conroe vs AMD FX62

AMD in trouble in price/performance

What's with the different systems? Different HDD's (not too much of an issue), different RAM?!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL?
Socket AM2 vs Conroe vs Pentium 775's.
All DDR2 based platforms.
Yet they use different RAM (both speed and amount) for the AM2 system.
Lower RAM may hurt Conroe a bit in games, and it would be nice to see either 2 sticks or 4 sticks on both AM2 and Conroe to see the differences, rather than 2 sticks for Conroe and 4 for AMD which doesn't represent a level test bed.

Hexus also shows Conroe having lower memory latency than the AM2 based systems (Sciencemark 2.0)
Xbitlabs show that DDR2 667 @ 3-3-3-10 on an AM2 system has almost the same latency as DDR2-800 @ 5-5-5-10.
The Conroe latency is 3-2-2-8/667 vs 4-3-3-10/800 for AM2 at Hexus.
My idea of logic would suggest that the Core architecture, lacking an onboard memory controller, would have to be slower than an AM2 system.
Anandtech in its comparison of Core and K8 states "With the numbers available to us now, we have reason to believe that the Athlon 64 X2's latency advantage will shrink to only 15 to 20%."
Yet Hexus shows the same or lower latency than AM2 for their Conroe system, which seems odd, though it may be something to do with the specific test.

 

[Toadster]

here comes the WAAAMBULANCE!

 

[Bateluer]

Kinda funny, people are predicting doom and gloom for AMD right now because of Conroe, a CPU what most likely won't have mass availability until September 06 at the earliest, but most likely later. Current A64(X2) chips won't be competing against Conroe, the 65nm chips will.

 

[robertk2012]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Kinda funny, people are predicting doom and gloom for AMD right now because of Conroe, a CPU what most likely won't have mass availability until September 06 at the earliest, but most likely later. Current A64(X2) chips won't be competing against Conroe, the 65nm chips will.

Its going be out june maybe july at the latest. By the time 65 nm gets here for AMD intel will have 4 core processors.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Kinda funny, people are predicting doom and gloom for AMD right now because of Conroe, a CPU what most likely won't have mass availability until September 06 at the earliest, but most likely later. Current A64(X2) chips won't be competing against Conroe, the 65nm chips will.

Its going be out june maybe july at the latest. By the time 65 nm gets here for AMD intel will have 4 core processors.

Conroe will be paper launched in July, with availability only for large OEMs, ie Dell. They won't be out in retail until September at the earliest.

 

[imported_Questar]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: robertk2012

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Kinda funny, people are predicting doom and gloom for AMD right now because of Conroe, a CPU what most likely won't have mass availability until September 06 at the earliest, but most likely later. Current A64(X2) chips won't be competing against Conroe, the 65nm chips will.

Its going be out june maybe july at the latest. By the time 65 nm gets here for AMD intel will have 4 core processors.

Conroe will be paper launched in July, with availability only for large OEMs, ie Dell. They won't be out in retail until September at the earliest.

If it's available then it's not a paper launch.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
"Intel's Conroe spanks AMD FX-62's botty - for real!!" title says it all
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5692&page=2

Intel Conroe vs AMD FX62

AMD in trouble in price/performance

What's with the different systems? Different HDD's (not too much of an issue), different RAM?!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL?
Socket AM2 vs Conroe vs Pentium 775's.
All DDR2 based platforms.
Yet they use different RAM (both speed and amount) for the AM2 system.
Lower RAM may hurt Conroe a bit in games, and it would be nice to see either 2 sticks or 4 sticks on both AM2 and Conroe to see the differences, rather than 2 sticks for Conroe and 4 for AMD which doesn't represent a level test bed.

Hexus also shows Conroe having lower memory latency than the AM2 based systems (Sciencemark 2.0)
Xbitlabs show that DDR2 667 @ 3-3-3-10 on an AM2 system has almost the same latency as DDR2-800 @ 5-5-5-10.
The Conroe latency is 3-2-2-8/667 vs 4-3-3-10/800 for AM2 at Hexus.
My idea of logic would suggest that the Core architecture, lacking an onboard memory controller, would have to be slower than an AM2 system.
Anandtech in its comparison of Core and K8 states "With the numbers available to us now, we have reason to believe that the Athlon 64 X2's latency advantage will shrink to only 15 to 20%."
Yet Hexus shows the same or lower latency than AM2 for their Conroe system, which seems odd, though it may be something to do with the specific test.

The different systems make that review rather worthless. The HD will have a massive difference on anything like the DivX and WAV conversion. We're yet to hear how the memory controller does with 4 sticks but i wouldn't be surprised to hear it suffers just like the 939.

The frames/second gaming tests are interesting, however with the exception of farcry there is no significant difference at all. Why did we see so much performance increase with fear (corrected) so long ago?

The science mark memory latency shows that the E6600 is faster than the 6700 by around 4.5%. It could be that there is a good reason for this, if so i'd be grateful if it can be pointed out to me.

If anyone is registered there could you ask if they tested with 2 sticks vs 4 and did they get a performance difference, they seem to be dancing around the issue (or to be fair didn't notice the question) at the moment on their forums.

http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=76035

 

[MrFanel]

For the millionth time - Socket AM2 is a transitional socket, NOT intended to compete with the Conroe.

Will you already get it through your thick skulls?!

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: MrFanel
For the millionth time - Socket AM2 is a transitional socket, NOT intended to compete with the Conroe.

Will you already get it through your thick skulls?!

For the millionth time, it's out over the same time period, what the hell does AMD plan to use to compete with it? Dancing orca whales in bikinis?

 

[MrFanel]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: MrFanel
For the millionth time - Socket AM2 is a transitional socket, NOT intended to compete with the Conroe.

Will you already get it through your thick skulls?!

For the millionth time, it's out over the same time period, what the hell does AMD plan to use to compete with it? Dancing orca whales in bikinis?

You just sit tight and wait honey; we have a few tricks up our sleeves :*

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: MrFanel

You just sit tight and wait honey; we have a few tricks up our sleeves :*

How about a Dual core Sempron for us socket 939 users.

 

[puffpio]

How about a dual core Athlon XP for us Socket A users

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: puffpio
How about a dual core Athlon XP for us Socket A users

they do have them it's called Athlon MP

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: Budman

Originally posted by: puffpio
How about a dual core Athlon XP for us Socket A users

they do have them it's called Athlon MP

That's dual processors not dual core.

 

[Ika]

okay, so I think we all realize that Conroe is going to be better than AM2. so what? it's a cycle, both companies have been through it before. it'll blow over soon anyway.

 

[413xram]

AM2 launch yawn...........................................................................
.........I know it just launched and the good stuff is still coming...but get real.....unless you are playing the memory game that is pretty pathetic. They should have found some way to at least gain a 10% increase over the 939s. I have bought AMDs since the K6 (even though the K6 pretty much sucked but the price was right). Looks like my 754 will tie me over till conroe..Shame on you AMD can't even squeeze a 10% gain over 2 year old technology. Your prices better drop big time before intel releases or you definetly lost one customer.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: 413xram
AM2 launch yawn...........................................................................
.........I know it just launched and the good stuff is still coming...but get real.....unless you are playing the memory game that is pretty pathetic. They should have found some way to at least gain a 10% increase over the 939s. I have bought AMDs since the K6 (even though the K6 pretty much sucked but the price was right). Looks like my 754 will tie me over till conroe..Shame on you AMD can't even squeeze a 10% gain over 2 year old technology. Your prices better drop big time before intel releases or you definetly lost one customer.

Gobs and Gobs of memory bandwidth is not something AMD desperately needs right now hence improving that item, isn't likely to improve performance much if at all.

There isn't much AMD can do right now against Conroe, it will take K8L to match or surpass a matrue Conroe if H1 2007 is indeed the correct timeframe.