Amazing footage of IDF's latest toy in action

[SamurAchzar]

The Tamuz missile was developed by Rafael (same guys behind Iron Dome anti-missile system and TROPHY active tank protection system, as well as many other Israeli weapons). It's originally an anti-tank missile that was similar to Javelin in capabilities (top attack fire and forget missile), but this version is something special. 16 miles range, optional operator guidance throughout flight. IDF uses it extensively as surgical anti-personnel long range weapon.

Anyway, here it is taking out some Palestinian freedom fighters who were going through their day firing rockets at Israelis. IDF very quickly "closed the loop" and the resulting imagery is priceless (2:19 into that you'll understand what I mean).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8WKjzmCcE


And here is another one, guided from 16km into a window in Lebanon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpD2Rb4i3a8&feature=player_embedded

 

[Genx87]

Those nice palastinians were only sending the rocket back to Israel because they thought Israel lost it.

 

[soulcougher73]

Those nice palastinians were only sending the rocket back to Israel because they thought Israel lost it.

Or maybe they bought it from Isreal and are just wanting a refund..

 

[trenchfoot]

The poor fella's definetely weren't trained in the traditional school of battery-counter battery artillery dueling. Next time shoot-n-scoot guys.

Sucks to be victims of that old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

@OP - thanks for sharing.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Zionist Viagra (tm)! yessssssssssssssssssssssss

 

[ayabe]

Well I'm glad our tax dollars are putting Israeli's to work!

 

[CitizenKain]

Coming to a Palestinian preschool soon. The IDF: We kill kids because its fun!

 

[Nebor]

Coming to a Palestinian preschool soon. The IDF: We kill kids because they'll just grow up to be terrorists anyway.

Fixed.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Hey, when are you guys going to start passing around pasteries and really start celebrating over things like this?

 

[Jaskalas]

Coming to a Palestinian preschool soon. The IDF: We kill kids because its fun!

Human shields are the choice of the terrorist. Arguments in support of them will result in more human shields. Kill the terrorists, and they won't be around to take preschools hostage.

 

[JTsyo]

The poor fella's definetely weren't trained in the traditional school of battery-counter battery artillery dueling. Next time shoot-n-scoot guys.

Sucks to be victims of that old adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

@OP - thanks for sharing.

there is no next time for them

 

[Whiskey16]

Nebor's rant for Israelis to commit to a well learnt tool of genocide continues... Calls to kill all Palestinian children again, Nebor? Truly sad that you have found a forum that tolerates speech for the worst incite to violence.

Onto another easy tangent:

Some have lack an ability to cite without empty rhetoric alone....:whiste:

Human shields are the choice of the terrorist.

Haaretz - ' 'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza', Published 16:49 23.03.09:

Israel Defense Forces soldiers used an 11-year-old Palestinian boy as a human shield during the war against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a group of UN human rights experts said Monday.

IDF troops ordered the boy to walk in front of soldiers being fired on in the Gaza neighborhood of Tel al-Hawa and enter buildings before them, said the UN secretary-general's envoy for protecting children in armed conflict.

Yet years earlier...

BBC - 'IDF to appeal human shield ban', Wednesday, 12 October 2005:

The Israeli Defence Ministry will appeal against a supreme court ruling banning the use of Palestinian human shields in raids, officials said.

Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz is prepared to make a personal appearance in court to defend the practice, ministry officials added.
Human rights groups have frequently condemned the use of human shields.

The Israeli military believes that the use of Palestinian civilians can often defuse a tense situation.

Mr Mofaz is also set to argue that alternative methods of apprehending suspects, such as through the use of bulldozers, would endanger the lives of both Israeli soldiers and Palestinian civilians, a military source said.

Early warning

The Israeli supreme court issued its formal ruling last week, saying the practice violates international law.

It had already issued a temporary injunction against the practice in 2002 after a teenager was killed when troops made him negotiate with a wanted militant.

The court ruled out both the placing of civilians in front of soldiers on operations and an "early warning" procedure employed by the army. In this practice, the Israeli army would force local Palestinians to approach the homes of militants and ask them to surrender.

It's quite ill to continue to apply a policy to specifically apprehend the locals of an invaded land and place them in danger in order to protect the aggression of your troops.

I stick with the proper term of 'terrorism' as being that of applying violence and/or terror upon a civilian (not military targets) population for political causes.

Jaskalas, you seem to have applied a blanket term of terrorist for those who use 'Human Shields.' Your definition. Do you have the integrity to be consistent upon the IDF?

 

[Craig234]

Human shields are the choice of the terrorist. Arguments in support of them will result in more human shields. Kill the terrorists, and they won't be around to take preschools hostage.

Just curious, if YOU were in the situation of being a terrorist against an oppressor - let's say you were a Polish citizen under Nazi occupation attacking in Germany - and the Nazis had this convenient preference not to attack civilians if they could help it - what would you do? I suspect you would be right there using 'human shields', if it was that or not resisting. I guess allied bombings of civilians in WWII, millions of Vietnamese killed, were ok.

Of course, the Nazis didn't seem that concerned about it; they'd even use 'mass retribution' against acts against them, punishing more civilians if they were attacked.

Oh, wait, that sounds a whole lot like the destruction of homes of people related to someone suspected of acting against Israel.

I find the tone of the thread offensive, to take a serious issue like the conflict between Israel and Palestinians, involving peoples' rights, occupation, violence, displacement, refugees, terrorism - and talk about it like entertainment, calling weapons killing people "toys", showing a very amoral person at best, more likely immoral.

 

[BoberFett]

*yawn*

It'd be great if everyone could get along and stop bickering about pointless bullshit, but apparently they can't so too bad. You mess with the bull, sometimes you're gonna get the horns.

 

[Whiskey16]

*yawn*

It'd be great if everyone could get along and stop bickering about pointless bullshit, but apparently they can't so too bad. You mess with the bull, sometimes you're gonna get the horns.

Your above post is worth your effort and yet you can be so apathetic to ignore a forums member's inciting genocide???

Such "bullshit" behaviour of indifference is what helped to foster an ill atmosphere that brought about the likes of the recent Norwegian killer.

A society is what people make it to be.

 

[Craig234]

Your above post is worth your effort and yet you can be so apathetic to ignore a forums member's inciting genocide???

Such "bullshit" behaviour of indifference is what helped to foster an ill atmosphere that brought about the likes of the recent Norwegian killer.

A society is what people make it to be.

It's also, ironically, what helped pave the way to every genocide.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yet, hell, Jaskalas, you seem to have applied a blanket term of terrorist for those who use 'Human Shields.' Your definition. Do you have the integrity to be consistent upon the IDF?

I see why you read it that way.

I'm referring to Palestinian terrorists choosing to fire rockets from schools, hospitals, other populated areas. I fully support returning fire and flattening the area regardless of their choice of location.

As for your contention, if a western nation's military uses human shields then they should be brought to justice like anyone else. Interesting thing to point out, you're refering to a case of IDF using a Palestinian, but in the case of rocket fire it's always Palestinians using their own people and there are hundreds of such attacks per year.

 

[BoberFett]

It's also, ironically, what helped pave the way to every genocide.

Hitler was a progressive.

You may not approve of his methods, but he had the same goals you do.

 

[Craig234]

Interesting thing to point out, you're refering to a case of IDF using a Palestinian, but in the case of rocket fire it's always Palestinians using their own people and there are hundreds of such attacks per year.

You're saying the fact the child the IDF grabs and puts at risk is Palestinian makes it less bad?

It is notable how you keep score of 'number of attacks', but not the overall occupation.

 

[Nebor]

Nebor's rant for Israelis to commit to a well learnt tool of genocide continues... Calls to kill all Palestinian children again, Nebor? Truly sad that you have found a forum that tolerates speech for the worst incite to violence.

Onto another easy tangent:

Some have lack an ability to cite without empty rhetoric alone....:whiste:

Haaretz - ' 'IDF troops used 11-year-old boy as human shield in Gaza', Published 16:49 23.03.09:


Yet years earlier...

BBC - 'IDF to appeal human shield ban', Wednesday, 12 October 2005:


It's quite ill to continue to apply a policy to specifically apprehend the locals of an invaded land and place them in danger in order to protect the aggression of your troops.

I stick with the proper term of 'terrorism' as being that of applying violence and/or terror upon a civilian (not military targets) population for political causes.

Jaskalas, you seem to have applied a blanket term of terrorist for those who use 'Human Shields.' Your definition. Do you have the integrity to be consistent upon the IDF?

This is no different than making Afghan locals walk in front of your patrol to set off pressure plate IEDs or take the first rounds of an ambush. It forces the enemy to choose: Do they care more about their own people or trying to kill us?

I do take issue with using an 11 year old child as a human shield. An 11 year old isn't big enough to make an effective shield.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I find the tone of the thread offensive, to take a serious issue like the conflict between Israel and Palestinians, involving peoples' rights, occupation, violence, displacement, refugees, terrorism - and talk about it like entertainment, calling weapons killing people "toys", showing a very amoral person at best, more likely immoral.

I don't know, Craig. All I saw in the video was Israelis tracking those Palestinian do-gooders long before they got to launch something, just making sure that they are indeed going to launch. Then I see rockets being launched into Israel - not very precise and most likely aimed at Israelis cities - and Israel retaliating with a surgical strike with an accuracy measured in inches against the offenders. All seems very well, very fair and very moral to me.

On the other hand, the one trying to condemn this chain of events without coming across as a terrorist supporter does seem like a douche. That would be you, Craig.

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Now that we've established that Craig is a douche; as a side note for civilians in warfare, thanks to that optical tracking head we can see very well how Palestinians dress for a fight. Those guys wear civilian clothing and seem unarmed other than their rockets, how is the IDF able to distinguish them from innocent population?

 

[SamurAchzar]

I stick with the proper term of 'terrorism' as being that of applying violence and/or terror upon a civilian (not military targets) population for political causes.

Are the guys being hit by the missile 'civilians' or 'military'? How can you tell?

 

[Craig234]

I don't know, Craig. All I saw in the video was Israelis tracking those Palestinian do-gooders long before they got to launch something, just making sure that they are indeed going to launch. Then I see rockets being launched into Israel - not very precise and most likely aimed at Israelis cities - and Israel retaliating with a surgical strike with an accuracy measured in inches against the offenders. All seems very well, very fair and very moral to me.

On the other hand, the one trying to condemn this chain of events without coming across as a terrorist supporter does seem like a douche. That would be you, Craig.

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Now that we've established that Craig is a douche; as a side note for civilians in warfare, thanks to that optical tracking head we can see very well how Palestinians dress for a fight. Those guys wear civilian clothing and seem unarmed other than their rockets, how is the IDF able to distinguish them from innocent population?

And you're a liar. You lied about what I said. I attacked you for your disrespectful tone about the serious issue, like it's a big joke about 'toys'.

In your defense, you dropped what I criticized and lied that I was criticizing you for the defense of the action against the terrorists at all. If you'd posted that version to begin with, I wouldn't have need to criticize the very different thing you posted. But you have the vocabulary of a 12 year old, the word "douche". Funny thing is, the only one it fits is you. You have, as I said, no sense of morality - not a word of concern about the larger issues here of the ongoing conflict, the harm to Palestinians as well.

The word fits you very well. An immoral person who appears to lack any respect for a group - just the sort who will champion any wrongs to them, up to and including genocide.

That's commenting on a long pattern of posts, not this one.

 

[SamurAchzar]

No one who sneaks behind walls in civilian clothing to fire rockets into civilian cities is going to get any respect or mourning from me. If you feel any urge to pay them a tribute, be my guest.

 

[Jaskalas]

You're saying the fact the child the IDF grabs and puts at risk is Palestinian makes it less bad?

It is notable how you keep score of 'number of attacks', but not the overall occupation.

It is notable you have one example where the soldiers should have faced punishment, and compare it to the constant threat posed by Palestinian rockets placed among Palestinian civilians.

You ignore, deflect, and outright attack me over the notion that Palestinians are killing Palestinians. Yet that is exactly what they are doing when they set up their rockets at schools, hospitals, and homes. Your arguments are not just supporting Palestinian terrorism against Israel, but against their own people.