Amazon apparently treats its employees really badly

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It sucks if that kind of job is the only one you can land, and as long as there is still a pool of workers available, nothing is going to change.

Endless supply of workers available from Mexico and India...
 

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There is no way, automation is going to be cheaper and more efficient. It's a no brainer for management to make. No business is going to choose the more expensive and problematic option because it is a business, which means they are in it to make money.

Hahahahaha, in dozens of low skill jobs automation is peeking over all shoulders. Automation also has no issues with running 24/7 with little climate control.

Companies are also starting to offer virtual office employees, ie instead of a full time local human you have a screen and motion sensor etc and somebody in another country greets and directs people who come into the lobby. Same could be done in average fast food order taking etc.
 

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Hahahahaha, in dozens of low skill jobs automation is peeking over all shoulders. Automation also has no issues with running 24/7 with little climate control.

Companies are also starting to offer virtual office employees, ie instead of a full time local human you have a screen and motion sensor etc and somebody in another country greets and directs people who come into the lobby. Same could be done in average fast food order taking etc.

Yeah, but how do you automate picking and packing of glass/crystal/etc, with the same equipment that picks/packs refrigerators? I mean AMZ deals in a ton of things of varying sizes; do you design different picking/packing equipment?


Seems easier to just have an army of slaves.
 

mikeford

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Now that economy has improved and general perception is that jobs are more readily available, I don't think Amazon can employ quite as ruthless tactics any more:

The economy has only improved in the state controlled media, not in reality. Entry level jobs are still close to impossible for kids to get, and there is nothing like a growth market even for experienced highly skilled people.
 

Imp

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FML... My Amazon order is shipping from the west coast again -- I'm on the east.
 

mikeymikec

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Yeah, but how do you automate picking and packing of glass/crystal/etc, with the same equipment that picks/packs refrigerators? I mean AMZ deals in a ton of things of varying sizes; do you design different picking/packing equipment?

The answer seems obvious. One starts by creating a robot for a particular, limited job, perhaps to handle the most awkward job in the warehouse (like scuttling all the way to the opposite end for a particular item). Then either modify that robot for other jobs or create other robots for those jobs, or a bit of both. Eventually, logically speaking, one steadily needs less employees.

I'm not saying it would definitely be cost effective. IMO it's the sort of project that a company with a huge amount of financial resources at their disposal should be willing to pump money into on the chance that with enough development it will eventually be cost effective.

The economy has only improved in the state controlled media, not in reality. Entry level jobs are still close to impossible for kids to get, and there is nothing like a growth market even for experienced highly skilled people.

I'm not saying either of you are correct, but based on experience when a economical crisis hits, the low-end of the job market gets hit first. It would be logical if that's the first area that shows signs of recovery, IMO.
 
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mikeford

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Yeah, but how do you automate picking and packing of glass/crystal/etc, with the same equipment that picks/packs refrigerators? I mean AMZ deals in a ton of things of varying sizes; do you design different picking/packing equipment?


Seems easier to just have an army of slaves.

Factory packed suitable for double box shipping and automated handling.

Picking fruit is currently manual labor, the worker needs to handle the fruit delicately, as well as decide if it is ripe enough to pick vs waiting for the next picking pass. For the best fruit quality its tough to beat human hands and senses, but around $14/hr last I looked at it automated picking becomes practical for a high percentage of the crop with slight less quality in the fruit or a higher level of sorting required in some down stage processing step.

That is the other big caveat, you don't need to automate 100% of the process to realize gains in the areas that you can automate.
 
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