Amazon copyright enforcement

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/hel...ml?nodeId=524836#books

Please note that customers in the US and Canada may be restricted to one copy of certain book titles because multiple copies may infringe US copyright laws.

STOP buying our books you damn Canadian pirates!

 

[AnitaPeterson]

This makes absolutely no sense... why should Canadians suffer because of stupid U.S. laws?

 

[Anubis]

wait so owning 2 copies of a book voilates a copyright law?

that seems kinda dumb

someone explain this

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
This makes absolutely no sense... why should Canadians suffer because of stupid U.S. laws?

I could make a snide remark about The War on Terror and other countries suffering here.. but I won't.

 

[olds]

Please note that customers in the US and Canada...

Reading comprehension, FTW.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Anubis
wait so owning 2 copies of a book voilates a copyright law?

that seems kinda dumb

someone explain this

Just a guess - maybe it is illegal to import a foreign version of a book for which there is an American edition for non-personal use (i.e. resale). Importing multiple copies would likely indicate non-personal use.

 

[rh71]

why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: rh71
why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

1 for yourself... 1 for a gift?

 

[AnitaPeterson]

Canada is a Commonwealth country.... I guess that somehow got overlooked - there's absolutely no valid reason for creating or enforcing these rules, and I suspect any lawsuit would demolish them.

 

[manowar821]

How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

 

[Nitemare]

Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition.

Limiting you to one for now, will change it to be 0 in a few years

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: rh71
why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

1 for yourself... 1 for a gift?

...which is the problem because if the law is that you can't own 2 (why would you?) then why wouldn't someone be buying another as a gift? Why is Amazon restricting it... nobody would buy 2 to keep for themselves.

About the resale thing... wouldn't that hold true for anything you buy anywhere?

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition

^^^ The above post follows some guidelines or something as far as he is concerned.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: manowar821
How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

You've got that whiny college-aged kid act nailed down. :thumbsup:

It's not the kind of law that would be actively enforced. It's not like the FBI has a "Multiple Copy of Foreign Book Task Force." I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders. The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen.

This law is targeted at distributors, not individuals.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: rh71
why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

i have multiple series where i bought the paperback first, loved the series and then got the full set in hard cover. not a difficult stretch of the mind there.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition

^^^ The above post follows some guidelines or something as far as he is concerned.

:heart:

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition.

Limiting you to one for now, will change it to be 0 in a few years

I guess you added that second line to your post because you realized how stupid the post was? Damn those greedy book companies for forcing the government to enact a law that I made up. :|

I've just skimmed the relevant law: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap6.html

But the issue appears to be protection of the author primarily, and their publisher by association. The author has the right to be paid for the distribution rights of their book in the United States, and by importing multiple copies from a foreign country you are depriving them of that right (and also depriving the person who PAID for the distribution rights of their rights).

Note that you can only import one copy at a time; you can import multiple copies at different times.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition.

Limiting you to one for now, will change it to be 0 in a few years

I guess you added that second line to your post because you realized how stupid the post was? Damn those greedy book companies for forcing the government to enact a law that I made up. :|

I've just skimmed the relevant law: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap6.html

But the issue appears to be protection of the author primarily, and their publisher by association. The author has the right to be paid for the distribution rights of their book in the United States, and by importing multiple copies from a foreign country you are depriving them of that right (and also depriving the person who PAID for the distribution rights of their rights).

Note that you can only import one copy at a time; you can import multiple copies at different times.

Still even at 1 copy at a time the book companies aren't getting their cut. If they had an entity like the RIAA or MPAA you would not be able to purchase oversea edition of books. It's probably only matter of time before you actually do have to spend 600-800 dollars a semester on books.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition.

Limiting you to one for now, will change it to be 0 in a few years

I guess you added that second line to your post because you realized how stupid the post was? Damn those greedy book companies for forcing the government to enact a law that I made up. :|

I've just skimmed the relevant law: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap6.html

But the issue appears to be protection of the author primarily, and their publisher by association. The author has the right to be paid for the distribution rights of their book in the United States, and by importing multiple copies from a foreign country you are depriving them of that right (and also depriving the person who PAID for the distribution rights of their rights).

Note that you can only import one copy at a time; you can import multiple copies at different times.

Still even at 1 copy at a time the book companies aren't getting their cut. If they had an entity like the RIAA or MPAA you would not be able to purchase oversea edition of books. It's probably only matter of time before you actually do have to spend 600-800 dollars a semester on books.

Yeah, imagine that - the law was targeted at distributors, not individuals. And yet you're talking about it as if it's intended to prevent individuals from importing textbooks.

So, if the publishing industry had a trade association like the RIAA or MPAA, you think it would be illegal to import any foreign books that have a corresponding American edition? If such an organization existed, I imagine it'd probably have a name like The Association of American Publishers. Too bad such an organization doesn't exist... But wait - the music and movie industries DO have trade associations like the RIAA and the MPAA. They're called the RIAA and MPAA. So it must be illegal to import foreign music and movies, right?

Side note: I managed to get through college while averaging less than $150/semester on textbooks, and I never bought a foreign edition. I bought almost all of them used (NOT from the bookstore) and usually split some with friends. It's not too hard.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821
How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

You've got that whiny college-aged kid act nailed down. :thumbsup:

It's not the kind of law that would be actively enforced. It's not like the FBI has a "Multiple Copy of Foreign Book Task Force." I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders. The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen.

This law is targeted at distributors, not individuals.

Haha, someone's pissy.

I wasn't talking about the FBI, I was talking about Amazon. They can just track who buys what and limit quantity based on if you've already purchased the book before.

It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821
How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

You've got that whiny college-aged kid act nailed down. :thumbsup:

It's not the kind of law that would be actively enforced. It's not like the FBI has a "Multiple Copy of Foreign Book Task Force." I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders. The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen.

This law is targeted at distributors, not individuals.

Haha, someone's pissy.

I wasn't talking about the FBI, I was talking about Amazon. They can just track who buys what and limit quantity based on if you've already purchased the book before.

It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

You think it's an invasion of your privacy for a company to keep track of the stuff you bought from them?

Read the rest of the thread. I already posted a link to the law that says you may only import one copy at a time. Purchasing the same book in multiple orders is fine. And even if it wasn't, it would be no invasion of privacy for Amazon to verify that you hadn't bought that book from them before. You're getting your knickers in a wad over nothing.

I'm sorry I overestimated your age.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
This makes absolutely no sense... why should Canadians suffer because of stupid U.S. laws?

I could make a snide remark about The War on Terror and other countries suffering here.. but I won't.

Yeah, spare at least this thread from your retarded ideology.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Translation, greedy POS US Book companies insist that u buy their $100 US editions instead of the almost identical $30 UK edition.

Limiting you to one for now, will change it to be 0 in a few years

I guess you added that second line to your post because you realized how stupid the post was? Damn those greedy book companies for forcing the government to enact a law that I made up. :|

I've just skimmed the relevant law: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap6.html

But the issue appears to be protection of the author primarily, and their publisher by association. The author has the right to be paid for the distribution rights of their book in the United States, and by importing multiple copies from a foreign country you are depriving them of that right (and also depriving the person who PAID for the distribution rights of their rights).

Note that you can only import one copy at a time; you can import multiple copies at different times.

Still even at 1 copy at a time the book companies aren't getting their cut. If they had an entity like the RIAA or MPAA you would not be able to purchase oversea edition of books. It's probably only matter of time before you actually do have to spend 600-800 dollars a semester on books.

Yeah, imagine that - the law was targeted at distributors, not individuals. And yet you're talking about it as if it's intended to prevent individuals from importing textbooks.

So, if the publishing industry had a trade association like the RIAA or MPAA, you think it would be illegal to import any foreign books that have a corresponding American edition? If such an organization existed, I imagine it'd probably have a name like The Association of American Publishers. Too bad such an organization doesn't exist... But wait - the music and movie industries DO have trade associations like the RIAA and the MPAA. They're called the RIAA and MPAA. So it must be illegal to import foreign music and movies, right?

Side note: I managed to get through college while averaging less than $150/semester on textbooks, and I never bought a foreign edition. I bought almost all of them used (NOT from the bookstore) and usually split some with friends. It's not too hard.

Wow, even the bookstores here rape you on used editions. Most colleges I attended will make the newest edition the required version and there is a new edition either every year or every other year. The few chances that I saw used books, they were still 80% the cost of new books.

I went to school and worked full-time so I never took more than 12 hours at a time, but still would have paid alot more than $150 in books had I gotten anything at the bookstore.

Example:
Chem class required a new edition text book, lab book $113 + $75
suggested purchases answer book, supplemental book $28 + $75

Physics was cheap, used a 4 yr old book, bookstore still wanted $40 for it though

Calc 2 book was the same book we used for Calc 1, only they made a new edition. They changed the cover and about 40 out of 800 pages. Teacher even told us not to go out and get a new one unless we didn't already have the old one. New one was $130
Also required a Maple book $28

The Dean of Economics was also the writer of the required textbook, $125 every year...

And that was just freshman classes.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821
How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

You've got that whiny college-aged kid act nailed down. :thumbsup:

It's not the kind of law that would be actively enforced. It's not like the FBI has a "Multiple Copy of Foreign Book Task Force." I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders. The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen.

This law is targeted at distributors, not individuals.

Haha, someone's pissy.

I wasn't talking about the FBI, I was talking about Amazon. They can just track who buys what and limit quantity based on if you've already purchased the book before.

It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

....blah blah, contradicting myself, blah blah....

Sorry, what? I don't speak "conceited lifer".

So first you think I'm bitching about the FBI keeping tabs on what kind of foreign books we order and you say "I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders.". Then you claim that I'm talking about companies keeping records on what is purchased by who (like most companies do to cover their financial asses, whatever) and then make a CLAIM that they do INFACT do that? What's wrong with you? The invasion of privacy would come when/if they keep a database on who purchased which books for the sole purpose of making sure people don't purchase more than one copy of the same book. If they're NOT doing that, so much the better, but they're TELLING us that's not their plan. It's also an invasion of RIGHTS to tell us we're not allowed to purchase more than one copy of the same book, through multiple orders. The idea of limiting the importation of one book per order is something I probably couldn't care less about, there's a financial/economic reason for it. Telling us we're not allowed to ever have more than on of a copy of a book is an invasion of rights that requires an invasion of privacy to enforce it.

I'm not even going to throw you another age-war bone, it's childish.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

You were whining, and you did at least sound like you're one of the more paranoid people....do you own a meth lab by any chance?