Amazon copyright enforcement

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

You were whining, and you did at least sound like you're one of the more paranoid people....do you own a meth lab by any chance?

"GET OUT OF MY HEAAAD"

 

[preslove]

This is to prevent businesses from using Amazon.uk as a source for cheaper books, I assume. I would also assume that they have these policies in place to avoid breaking import/export laws or publisher restrictions.

And amazon.com doesn't enforce copyright. It just makes purchase policies. Law enforcement agencies and courts enforce copyright.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: manowar821
How in the hell could they even enforce this kind of asinine law? ISBN number to physical address or CC number database? Wow, talk about invasion of privacy.

"It appears you've already purchased this book, sorry, you may not have another." - What if my first one was damaged or lost?

Jerk-offs.

You've got that whiny college-aged kid act nailed down. :thumbsup:

It's not the kind of law that would be actively enforced. It's not like the FBI has a "Multiple Copy of Foreign Book Task Force." I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders. The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen.

This law is targeted at distributors, not individuals.

Haha, someone's pissy.

I wasn't talking about the FBI, I was talking about Amazon. They can just track who buys what and limit quantity based on if you've already purchased the book before.

It's not a paranoid fantasy, it's not tricky, companies already do it. They're saying that we're going to be limited, somehow, to only one copy of certain books. They're going to have to implement some kind of system to actually accomplish this limit, yes? So go "hurr-dee-hurr" someplace else.

(PS. Not in college, not a kid, not whiny. Sorry you take a complete lack of respect for whoring companies as "whining", but that's your own pathetic problem, not mine.)

....blah blah, contradicting myself, blah blah....

Sorry, what? I don't speak "conceited lifer".

So first you think I'm bitching about the FBI keeping tabs on what kind of foreign books we order and you say "I doubt Amazon prevents you from buying multiple copies in separate orders.". Then you claim that I'm talking about companies keeping records on what is purchased by who (like most companies do to cover their financial asses, whatever) and then make a CLAIM that they do INFACT do that? What's wrong with you? The invasion of privacy would come when/if they keep a database on who purchased which books for the sole purpose of making sure people don't purchase more than one copy of the same book. If they're NOT doing that, so much the better, but they're TELLING us that's not their plan. It's also an invasion of RIGHTS to tell us we're not allowed to purchase more than one copy of the same book, through multiple orders. The idea of limiting the importation of one book per order is something I probably couldn't care less about, there's a financial/economic reason for it. Telling us we're not allowed to ever have more than on of a copy of a book is an invasion of rights that requires an invasion of privacy to enforce it.

I'm not even going to throw you another age-war bone, it's childish.

Wow. OK, I'm going to do this in bullet form, because you're all over the place.

- I brought up the FBI as an example. I didn't think you were bitching about the FBI.
- As far as I can tell, Amazon does NOT prevent you from buying multiple copies on separate orders, because that is not against the law.
- I didn't make any claim about companies keeping records, you did. "I wasn't talking about the FBI, I was talking about Amazon. They can just track who buys what and limit quantity based on if you've already purchased the book before. " - you. I responded to that, saying that it would not be an invasion of your privacy for them to do that. It would be an invasion of privacy if a third party kept a database of which books you purchased to prevent you from buying multiple copies of the same book from different retailers. If you would be more clear with your pronouns ("they" is ambiguous), maybe I'd know what you're talking about. In any event, I'll repeat what I said in my first reply to you: "The "invasion of privacy" that you bitch about is in your head. It doesn't happen. " There is no need to keep track of what books you've purchased in the past for the purpose of preventing you from buying multiple copies, because it is LEGAL to buy multiple copies in separate transactions.
- No one is telling you you can't have or purchase multiple copies of the same book from a foreign retailer. I posted a link to the relevant law in this thread. I'll quote it for you:

The provisions of subsection (a) do not apply ?
...
where importation, for use and not for sale, is sought ?
...
by any person with respect to no more than one copy of any work at any one time;

There is no "invasion" (infringement) of your rights; there is no invasion of your privacy.

This always happens in any thread here relating to copyright - people get up in arms about their own misinterpretations of the situation. And if the situation isn't outrageous as it is, they'll just make stuff up. If you look at my first post in this thread, you'll see that I had no idea what the purpose of the law was before today, but I took the time to educate myself instead of spouting off nonsense about a fictitious situation of my own creation.

 

[preslove]

Wow, the stupidity is strong in this thread.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Wow, even the bookstores here rape you on used editions. Most colleges I attended will make the newest edition the required version and there is a new edition either every year or every other year. The few chances that I saw used books, they were still 80% the cost of new books.

I went to school and worked full-time so I never took more than 12 hours at a time, but still would have paid alot more than $150 in books had I gotten anything at the bookstore.

Yeah, I never bought used editions from the bookstore. I actually created a website where students at my school could post used books for sale (organized by class), but before that most people just put up ads on bulletin boards to sell their used books. I ended up selling that website to the school, and I think they still use a modified version of it.

I was a computer science major. When I realized how little I actually used most of my textbooks, I started splitting them with friends so we'd at least have a copy that we could use for homework that required the book. In some majors I realize that is not possible. I also went to a pretty small school, so I had most of my major classes with the same people each semester (partly because we planned it that way). That helped with being able to share books.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: rh71
why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

i have multiple series where i bought the paperback first, loved the series and then got the full set in hard cover. not a difficult stretch of the mind there.

come on, it's not like you're buying a hardtop car versus a convertible here. Or widescreen versus fullscreen movies. What's really the difference between a hardcover and a paperback?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: rh71
why would someone own more than 1 copy of a book? Do people buy 2 of the same DVDs too?

i have multiple series where i bought the paperback first, loved the series and then got the full set in hard cover. not a difficult stretch of the mind there.

come on, it's not like you're buying a hardtop car versus a convertible here. Or widescreen versus fullscreen movies. What's really the difference between a hardcover and a paperback?

Hardcover vs Trade paperback - the cover
Hardcover vs Mass market paperback - the book is larger, the type is larger, better paper, easier to read in general.

But really, I think he's buying the hardcover because he collects books. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Wow, even the bookstores here rape you on used editions. Most colleges I attended will make the newest edition the required version and there is a new edition either every year or every other year. The few chances that I saw used books, they were still 80% the cost of new books.

I went to school and worked full-time so I never took more than 12 hours at a time, but still would have paid alot more than $150 in books had I gotten anything at the bookstore.

Yeah, I never bought used editions from the bookstore. I actually created a website where students at my school could post used books for sale (organized by class), but before that most people just put up ads on bulletin boards to sell their used books. I ended up selling that website to the school, and I think they still use a modified version of it.

I was a computer science major. When I realized how little I actually used most of my textbooks, I started splitting them with friends so we'd at least have a copy that we could use for homework that required the book. In some majors I realize that is not possible. I also went to a pretty small school, so I had most of my major classes with the same people each semester (partly because we planned it that way). That helped with being able to share books.

My fraternity hosted a book sale on campus at the beginning of each semester. Students brought their books to us, and stuck their own price tag on the books. We got a $1 commission for every book that was sold. It was a huge fundraiser for us; we made thousands. (It was well advertised and we had a list of which professors were using the same books, etc.) So, if the bookstore sold a book new for $80, and then purchased it back for $20, only to resell it at $60, everyone was able to re-sell their book for $40 - making an extra $19 on the sale and those purchasing a used book saved $20. Of course, the price varied on each text depending on what the person asked for it. Some would sell that text for $25, others for $55. If you got to the sale early, you could get the cheapest ones. (And, if you were a frat member, you'd get the cheapest text for yourself, and know what was about the highest price you could ask and be sure that your book would sell; hence I made a profit each semester.)

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
This makes absolutely no sense... why should Canadians suffer because of stupid U.S. laws?

I could make a snide remark about The War on Terror and other countries suffering here.. but I won't.

Yeah, spare at least this thread from your retarded ideology.

Yes sir, Mr. TehBush. :insertjerkingoffemoticonhere;

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DrPizza


My fraternity hosted a book sale on campus at the beginning of each semester. Students brought their books to us, and stuck their own price tag on the books. We got a $1 commission for every book that was sold. It was a huge fundraiser for us; we made thousands. (It was well advertised and we had a list of which professors were using the same books, etc.) So, if the bookstore sold a book new for $80, and then purchased it back for $20, only to resell it at $60, everyone was able to re-sell their book for $40 - making an extra $19 on the sale and those purchasing a used book saved $20. Of course, the price varied on each text depending on what the person asked for it. Some would sell that text for $25, others for $55. If you got to the sale early, you could get the cheapest ones. (And, if you were a frat member, you'd get the cheapest text for yourself, and know what was about the highest price you could ask and be sure that your book would sell; hence I made a profit each semester.)

That is awesome. By the way, I own three copies of the Fountainhead. I promised someone that I'd read it, but kept putting it off and lost the first two copies. Then I moved and found all three before I finally read it.

Also, there were about 6 movies that both my wife and I owned separately before being married, so once we were married then yes indeed we had multiple copies of multiple DVD's.