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tential

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Not sure what you're talking about. You only need to navigate Plex content on your phone/tablet if you are watching them on your phone/tablet, or if you use ChromeCast (since all ChromeCast does is stream stuff, it doesn't have a UI in itself).

But if you are watching your Plex content on your 70 inch TV through a Roku/AppleTV/WDTV, and obviously this FireTV, you of course navigate the content right there on your "beautiful 1080p" on your TV. Did you seriously not get that?

Edit: What the heck. You are talking specifically about Chromecast? This thread is about FireTV and its competitors so that's why I responded like that. Chromecast is definitely not for everyone. But this device from Amazon is not trying to compete with it. It's trying to compete against Roku and AppleTV. Chromecast is a completely different thing and targeted people with completely different usage patterns.

People in this thread have stated Chromecast is the best bar none and that there really is no use for any other stream boxes.... I agree completely that it's for peopel with DIFFERENT usage patterns. My usage patterns mean Chromecast just won't work for me. My phone is again at below 15%. So if I wanted to browse my media library and watch something I'd have to charge my phone first, THEN chromecast something. Rather than just use a remote.

If the FireTV gets XBMC on it, I'd pick one up for another room since it's cheap and the hardware would definitely run XBMC faster than most other android devices out there.
I would use Plex on my 70 inch LED but I already use XBMC. Plex as an alternative, one I'll end up using for the server aspect of it.
 
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cronos

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Plex for Android is now 99c in the Amazon App Store. https://blog.plex.tv/2014/04/02/plex-available-amazons-fire-tv/

Still $4.99 in Google Play. Is it the same if I just grab it from the Amazon App Store (which I had to install via apk for my Note 3)?

Yes!

But that app is Amazon DRM instrument for its apps, so you have to keep Amazon App Store installed if you want to use apps you got from it. One disclaimer is that sometimes new updates take longer to get to Amazon App Store, but it will get there eventually.
 

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And you can do that with Plex or even the abomination known as iTunes or any other device that supports DLNA.

I'm not up on which devices support DLNA.

I'm not saying the other devices aren't useful, but Chromecasts ability to let you use a mouse and keyboard and also to play videos from your hard drive and surf the web with the mouse and keyboard plus the price of 35 dollars beat out the other devices.

My sister had a Roku and found it really difficult to find Netflix movies. With Chromecast she just uses her mouse and keyboard and finding stuff is a snap.

btw if you use Prime, does it play in a browser like Chrome?
 

MongGrel

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I'd always heard PLEX was good but haven't used it personally, the FireTV does look interesting and watching it a bit myself.
 

smitbret

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Essentially, I don't want to keep a PC in the living room. I mean, I'm fine with a tablet or phone, so Chromecast has some functionality for me that works fine. But I don't want to start up Netflix or Hulu or Plex on my phone, naviagte using the phone and then stream it to the Chromecast. I've had way too many problems where my phone turns off, loses connection to the Chromecast and then I can't reconnect it.



I'll give you an example of where a dumb remote is better at controlling the experience that a tablet or phone.

Watching House of Cards during dinner on Netflix. Need to get up to get a drink refill. Turn phone on and unlock it. Wait for the Netflix app to reconnect to the Chromecast (cross fingers it does), once reconnected, wait for it to recognize it's place in the video, hit the pause button. Process takes about 10 seconds. Go to kitchen, make drink, come back, repeat process except this time to press play.

Watching a video on my Boxee, same situation. Pick up Boxee remote, press pause. I think there's room for both situations here. A tablet/phone to browse content and pick it out, a dumb remote to control playback functions.


Yeah, how? Don't they have to play through the browser? Or through a device app that you can browse to them? Doesn't Plex provide the same functionality?


No, I'm not buying the argument that a remote control is equivalent to a smartphone or tablet. See above a few replies.


AppleTV is IR. Why not program it in to the universal remote you (likely) already use for everything else?

If you like using your smartphone/tablet to control things, why not download the Remote app for AppleTV? Isn't that exactly what you say you're looking for?
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/remote/id284417350?mt=8


As noted, completely disagree.


I can't imagine using a chromecast to surf the internet without having the computer right beside me. Since Chrome only casts one tab at a time, what do you do if something opens a new tab? Do you use keyboard shortcuts to search around for it like a blind person? Is there a keyboard shortcut to start casting (not sure, actually).

QFT

For the average household, it's still gonna be easier to use a remote control. Most posters on this board do not fall under that category.
 

Ravynmagi

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I have an Apple TV, Roku 3, and Chromecast. I like them all in their special little ways.

The Apple TV was what I bought first. I have an iPad and wanted it for AirPlay. They apps are functional, but feel severly outdated. YouTube and Netflix are horrible. My Apple TV is my least used device now.

Roku 3 is what I got after the Apple TV, I think it had an app that Apple TV didn't (Amazon Instant Video I think). And oh my goodness, the UI is so much better, than apps get updated more often and are much easier to use. To this day the Roku 3 is my main go to media player. I still love this thing to death. My only criticism is it has a USB port, but doesn't support USB keyboards or any kind of keyboard (other than the one on the phone app).

Chromecast I bought just because it was so cheap and I'm a Google fan, have a few Nexus phones and tablets. It works amazingly well, I used it a lot at first. However after the novelty wore off, I went back to the Roku 3. It's just much more convenient to have a physical remote and not need to rely on using my phone or PC to operate the Chromecast. I apparently prefer a device that can operate on it's own.

On the Amazon Fire TV, I obviously like the idea of faster performance. While I haven't really said to myself "damn this Roku 3 is slow", I mostly accepted it because it seemed fast enough for the job. But hey if something wants to load apps up to 3 times faster, I'm all for that. I also like the voice input. I don't search much, mostly because it's been an awkward experience on the Roku 3 with no keyboard and with the Apple TV the BT keyboard is usually across the room. Being able to speak my searches sounds like a great idea.

I ordered the Fire TV this afternoon. Hopefully it'll arrive Friday as it said. I passed on the game controller. I think I want to see reviews on how that works first before I spend $40 on what looks like a kinda cheap controller.

And it's probably time for me to sell that Apple TV. But I'm definitely keeping the Chromecast. Hoping Android mirroring will come to that soon or eventually.
 

blairharrington

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Is there a foolproof way to AirPlay avi's to my AppleTV? I'm using Infuse for mp4's but playing an avi with Infuse to my ATV forces it to use AirPlay Mirroring and it's unwatchable. I'm seeing Air Video HD is an app that does AirPlay avi's? Anybody here try it? Or use something else?
 

bearxor

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I have an Apple TV, Roku 3, and Chromecast. I like them all in their special little ways.

The Apple TV was what I bought first. I have an iPad and wanted it for AirPlay. They apps are functional, but feel severly outdated. YouTube and Netflix are horrible. My Apple TV is my least used device now.

Roku 3 is what I got after the Apple TV, I think it had an app that Apple TV didn't (Amazon Instant Video I think). And oh my goodness, the UI is so much better, than apps get updated more often and are much easier to use. To this day the Roku 3 is my main go to media player. I still love this thing to death. My only criticism is it has a USB port, but doesn't support USB keyboards or any kind of keyboard (other than the one on the phone app).

Chromecast I bought just because it was so cheap and I'm a Google fan, have a few Nexus phones and tablets. It works amazingly well, I used it a lot at first. However after the novelty wore off, I went back to the Roku 3. It's just much more convenient to have a physical remote and not need to rely on using my phone or PC to operate the Chromecast. I apparently prefer a device that can operate on it's own.

On the Amazon Fire TV, I obviously like the idea of faster performance. While I haven't really said to myself "damn this Roku 3 is slow", I mostly accepted it because it seemed fast enough for the job. But hey if something wants to load apps up to 3 times faster, I'm all for that. I also like the voice input. I don't search much, mostly because it's been an awkward experience on the Roku 3 with no keyboard and with the Apple TV the BT keyboard is usually across the room. Being able to speak my searches sounds like a great idea.

I ordered the Fire TV this afternoon. Hopefully it'll arrive Friday as it said. I passed on the game controller. I think I want to see reviews on how that works first before I spend $40 on what looks like a kinda cheap controller.

And it's probably time for me to sell that Apple TV. But I'm definitely keeping the Chromecast. Hoping Android mirroring will come to that soon or eventually.

I passed on the controller as well. Waiting to see how the gaming ecosystem shakes out. Also have learned that its open to other BT controllers. Hoping the PS4 controller is supported.

Will keep the Chromecast because its probably the easiest way to browse /r/videos and put them on the TV.
 

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What software on the PC are you using to stream to the tv that has no lag? I tried Plex and the Chrome browser itself. Both lag really badly or skips (low fps) that it's unwatchable. My tv/chromecast is only 10ft away from the PC / wifi router.
Just playing the movies in Chrome. By going ctrl-o in Chrome you get a file open window and then just choose whatever you have on your hard drive and open it. It then plays in Chrome.

I just have the Chromecast connected to my wireless router which is a b/g Linksys. I forget what model. I have streamed 1080p 16Gb rips of movies with no problem nor lag. I do suspect that some people might not have a router that plays nice with the Chromecast and might have a bad connection.
 
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techs

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Why bother running to a PC? Your phone can also be used to control chromecast. And 99 percent of people have their phone on them all the time.



I use plex from my phone to stream to chromecast, no lag at all. Anecdotal evidence, sure...but at least its proof that it works. I do need to do more testing with HD videos though. I believe i've had no trouble streaming 720p stuff.
As I stated above I also have no lag nor buffering with Chromecast.

And you're right in pointing out that you can control Chromecast thru your phone or even laptop. I much prefer something with a keyboard and mouse so I use a wireless setup because it reaches the computer with no problem.
 

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Lifer
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Great, just what everyone wants to see in an Amazon FireTV thread, the pros and cons of Chromecast.

-KeithP

Yes, and its a good thing. Chromecast, Roku and AppleTv are the chief competitors and a discussion of the pros and cons of these competing devices should be in this thread.
imo
 

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Lifer
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Surf the web? You can do that on MOST DEVICES and play videos off EVERY page. Amazon Kindle, FireTV, etc. ALL have webbrowsers.
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Yes, but the Chromecast is far easier to use with a real mouse and keyboard. Surfing with a Roku remote is terrible. Plus Chrome on Windows is far more powerful than most of the web browsers on set top boxes.
 

Ravynmagi

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Guess this means I'll need to buy the Plex app yet one more time now from Amazon.
 

jpeyton

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Looks fast, which is my biggest complaint about my WDTV Live.

I have a PS3 as well, but Cinavia kills that as a media streamer.

No point in buying a Roku or anything else on the market, with this being $99.
 

Ravynmagi

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Looks fast, which is my biggest complaint about my WDTV Live.

I have a PS3 as well, but Cinavia kills that as a media streamer.

No point in buying a Roku or anything else on the market, with this being $99.

Weird thing is Roku kinda killed the $99 Roku 3 first. They announced the Roku Stick a couple weeks ago that seems to do almost everything the Roku 3 does, for only $49.

So now we got something covering all the budgets.

$35 Chromecast. Flexible device, use your own phone/computer as a remote.
$50 Roku Stick. Lots of channels, comes with it's own basic remote.
$100 Fire TV. Much faster performance, gaming capable.

Now we wait to see what the Apple TV will bring.
 

Ravynmagi

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Something is still missing though. None of these have HDMI passthru. I would love for a media streamer to have this. Come on Roku, it's your chance to earn your top spot back.
 

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If you could mirror from Android tablets and phones this would be huge, hope Google doesnt screw up their box they have in the works.
 
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tential

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Yes, but the Chromecast is far easier to use with a real mouse and keyboard. Surfing with a Roku remote is terrible. Plus Chrome on Windows is far more powerful than most of the web browsers on set top boxes.

Like I already said. To each their own. If Chromecast works well for you then great! But if I want to use a mouse+keyboard+Windows with my HDTV then I'd rather use an HTPC instead. I then am not limited to the Chromecast and what it is capable of. I can get the full use of Windows.

The chromecast is a great product. I like it, I want XBMC to make a compatible app with it (apparently not many devs are even interested in the device at all).

Trying to make Chromecast to be the best/only thing anyone would ever need though is a huge stretch as many members have already stated.

Weird thing is Roku kinda killed the $99 Roku 3 first. They announced the Roku Stick a couple weeks ago that seems to do almost everything the Roku 3 does, for only $49.

So now we got something covering all the budgets.

$35 Chromecast. Flexible device, use your own phone/computer as a remote.
$50 Roku Stick. Lots of channels, comes with it's own basic remote.
$100 Fire TV. Much faster performance, gaming capable.

Now we wait to see what the Apple TV will bring.

Roku 3 is supposed to be much faster than the Roku Stick according to the Cnet Review that I skimmed.

Roku Stick takes double the amount of time (maybe triple? I really don't remember the full content but going with conservative double) to open apps that many people use like Netflix/Hulu. So I can see someone paying for the Roku 3 if want faster performance.

The FireTV is the fastest hardware though.

Something is still missing though. None of these have HDMI passthru. I would love for a media streamer to have this. Come on Roku, it's your chance to earn your top spot back.

Xbox One does. I think it'd be better suited though on one of these small streamers like you mentioned. FireTV +HdmiPassthrough would have been AMAZING. I wish it would come to ANYTHING other than the Xbox One.

If you could mirror from Android tablets and phones this would be huge, hope Google doesnt screw up their box they have in the works.

"The Amazon Fire TV has a Second Screen feature that lets users "fling" Amazon content onto their TVs from their Kindle Fire HDX tablets. This feature will be made available to the iPhone and iPad later this year. The Amazon Fire TV can also mirror the screen of users' Amazon tablets.

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-tale-of-the-tape-how-amazon-fire-tv-apple-tv-roku-chromecast-20140402,0,3169064.story#ixzz2xnJy75S4"

I'd always heard PLEX was good but haven't used it personally, the FireTV does look interesting and watching it a bit myself.

Plex is good dependent on how much content you have. Before I got XBMC (Similar to Plex), I had around 1TB of Movies/TV Shows. I got XBMC soon after and fiddled with it but it wasn't that great at recognizing my file names and I wasn't going to figure out how to rename them. I also didn't have an HDTV at the time to stream to or an HTPC to receive the stream so relatively pointless for me.

I then tried XBMC again while at school with a couple of files I had on my laptop. Worked MUCH better than before. I bought a 4TB External to start using and that was it. All my media organized by metadata? It was amazing. It got to the point where I was adding movies/TV just so I had things to browse. I'm at 10TB now of data or close to it.

It all depends on how much stuff you have. XBMC/Plex are similar so while I obviously prefer XBMC, if you're a media junkie, I couldn't tell you NOT to get Plex. If you have a media library, get Plex or XBMC. If you don't have a media library, I can't really speak for Plex then. I know XBMC has a ton of 3rd party addons for many sites people use that I probably can't mention here so it's still interesting to use. If you have mobile device like an iphone and you watch your movie/tv collection on the go (I don't have the data to do that on my phone), then Plex is DEFINITELY invaluable to you.
 
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TheStu

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Is there a foolproof way to AirPlay avi's to my AppleTV? I'm using Infuse for mp4's but playing an avi with Infuse to my ATV forces it to use AirPlay Mirroring and it's unwatchable. I'm seeing Air Video HD is an app that does AirPlay avi's? Anybody here try it? Or use something else?

I use AirVideoHD, it will transode anything that the AppleTV doesn't natively support, then will stream it over. It just uses the iDevice as a bridge, so you can still do stuff on your iDevice when the file is playing on your TV.

I use it all the time.
 
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