That would of held more weight if the demo that day wasn't using actual Fermi hardware.
I'm just curious. All this talk about market manipulation. Would a CEO of some large company holding a mock, aka: fake product up to investors and the public, claiming this said product was real and complete, count as Market Manipulation? I'm just asking; because to me it sounds like out right lying with some market manipulation thrown in too.
Do you really think the 7870 will be that fast? I was thinking between a 6950 and 6970, similar to how the 6870 wound up between the 5850 and 5870.
Umm, I put "what" out there? All I'm saying is watch your arse. If you can't appreciate someone telling you to watch your arse, then I don't know what to tell you. I urge "caution" nothing more, specifically if you own AMD stock. Like I said in a related thread not long ago, we don't know if this new CEO is an "EXIT" CEO yet. Be careful.
That would of held more weight if the demo that day wasn't using actual Fermi hardware.
Call it what you want. A Spade is a Spade....and the argument holds plenty of weight. Jen-Hsun Huang lied outright...He knew what he held in his hands was nothing more than a wood screw mock-up. So, he did participate in market manipulation, and I'm sure saying that you have a product ready versus one that will show up months later behind schedule is a pretty big deal. This has a huge impact on shareholder stock. So, please don't pretend otherwise. A lie is a lie is lie....and I don't care who it's coming from. I'm just urging a word of caution here, that's all...That would of held more weight if the demo that day wasn't using actual Fermi hardware.
+1 QFTSheesh. This isn't OT or P&N, the link in the OP was to help us determine when we might see the 7000 series. I don't see in your original post or anywhere else in this forum where people are looking for advice on stock buying.
You weren't urging "caution" in that financial predictors can run into snags and delays can happen. No, you urged "caution" that this was an intentional FUD campaign. In marketing, that is accepted. For financial disclosures, even with cautionary statements, any intentional misinformation is fraud.
The link provided helps zero in on the new line of cards from AMD. I fail to see how warnings of stock value or unfounded fraud allegations are of value. Please offer some proof to your claims. Or please kindly retract them, lest someone thinks you were actually serious.
+1 QFT
The irony of getting "cautious advice" from the NVDA focus group about AMD....
Sheesh. This isn't OT or P&N, the link in the OP was to help us determine when we might see the 7000 series. I don't see in your original post or anywhere else in this forum where people are looking for advice on stock buying.
You weren't urging "caution" in that financial predictors can run into snags and delays can happen. No, you urged "caution" that this was an intentional FUD campaign. In marketing, that is accepted. For financial disclosures, even with cautionary statements, any intentional misinformation is fraud.
The link provided helps zero in on the new line of cards from AMD. I fail to see how warnings of stock value or unfounded fraud allegations are of value. Please offer some proof to your claims. Or please kindly retract them, lest someone thinks you were actually serious.
You, more than anyone should be cautious. By the look of your constant stock ticker name usage "NVDA", I'd think you heed the warning. Nothing wrong with being cautious is there? I think It's pretty sound advice after what AMD did with the 6xxx series AND Bulldozer. Don't you?
Bulldozer was a failure IMO but I've quite enjoyed the 6xxx series cards. They basically maintained the trend Radeon single-GPU cards have had for awhile, not the performance king but right behind their Nvidia counterparts for much less money.
Sheesh right back at ya. I said "could" be another FUD campaign. What is wrong? Just relax man. You need to understand the difference between all out accusations and a simple cautionary warning. It's not li........ waitaminute. What am I doing. I have to remind myself that nothing I could say will repair the damage. Sorry guys.
As in past years AMD will deliver a decent performing range of cards at a reasonable price.
They won't feature second rate circuitry(GTX570) or be stupid expensive(GTX8800 Ultra/GTX580).
They won't require paid marketers to hawk their products in forums such as this one and will more than likely showcase a dual GPU flagship that will continue the last 2 generations ownership of the "Fastest Video Card" title.
(HD5970 and HD6990).
The only thing we need to be cautious of are fake woodscrew mockups and exploding,driver busting NVDA cards.....^_^
Bulldozer was a failure IMO but I've quite enjoyed the 6xxx series cards. They basically maintained the trend Radeon single-GPU cards have had for awhile, not the performance king but right behind their Nvidia counterparts for much less money.
5850 / 5870 --> 6850 / 6870 was all at the same process node. Performance was really not all that different for these. They re-jiggered architecture some, but really the result was not very different, just silicon size was different so they could have a new silicon size for the 69xx cards.
This is more like 4850 --> 5850, which was a very large jump
I'm expecting 7850 to perform around 6950 level for midrange card price and power consumption. Similarly 7870 vs. 6970 comparisons.
The leaks are not new on this, but seem to indicate that's in the ballpark:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...-new-architecture-and-xdr2-rambus-memory.html
7870 is expected to be in the 6970 ballpark with 120watts TDP? yes please! Pricing is the only question. How they've been acting lately has me suspecting they will keep prices up where they are for competitive performance. I'm worried a 7870 is going to launch close to $300, and will only come down once the 79xx cards come out. Time will tell.
So nobody remembers the intentional FUD campaign last AMD launch?
Ok, I must have imagined it then. My bad.
I don't follow the industry close enough anymore to be able to remember FUD or anything like that but the bottom line is that the 6XXXX is a good line.
On a side note, when I was following the industry closer a few years ago, I recall a fair amount of FUD from the Nvidia camp as well.
Back to your post, I don't see anything that implies AMD engaged in financial market manipulation. If you have any such evidence, I would really be interested because I know a lot of people who short AMD stock, I'm sure they would be very interested in this info.
I'm sure your people know what they are doing. But I AM saying I don't trust AMD right now. Not after what they did to JFAMD. I don't think anybody should trust them right now when not even their own people are kept apprised in good faith. That is all. I hate these conversations. Know why? Because it's as if none of that ever happened and I have to explain the whole thing as if everyone is hearing it for the first time. hehe. No thanks, I'm done. :$
Keys, I'm not asking for a thesis here. In the time it took you to write out the paragraph or respond to the other posts in this thread, you could have simply pointed to source that evidences, supports, or corroborates your statement/implication about financial manipulation.
I'm sorry dude. I'm just not up to it. Chalk it up to my own personal conspiracy theory and I have my tin foil hat on. Just take my lack of a link to mean there isn't any direct link but a whole smattering of discussions, snippits, threads here at AT. Prior to the 6xxx launch. Maybe Silverforce can show you. I'm just not up to sifting through 90 bazillion metric tons of threads and posts. I thought everyone would just remember.