AMD 1333MHz AXIA@2174MHz

[Vyle]

<< I'm no Intel zealot (my next rig will be a tbird), but the P4 IS competing NOW. Look at the P4 reviews. The P4 1.7ghz is holding it's own agains the 1.33ghz athlon. I'd still get the tbird over teh P4, but the P4 is still holding it's own. >>


Just listen to yourself. A 1.7ghz chip is &quot;holding it's own&quot; against a 1.3ghz chip? This is an accomplishment?

 

[Kntx]

Vyle

What do you care what clock speed it's running at???



<< Just listen to yourself. A 1.7ghz chip is &quot;holding it's own&quot; against a 1.3ghz chip? This is an accomplishment? >>



Just compare the performance. Clock speed is only a valid comparison between cpus using the same architecture.

 

[fkloster]

4.2 gb/s sse2 memory bandwidth is an accomplishment no?



<< Just compare the performance. Clock speed is only a valid comparison between cpus using the same architecture. >>



THIS IS TRUTH! THIS IF FACT! STOP ARGUING ABOUT IT!!

 

[frap]

<< It's an obvious fabrication, but it tells volumes about the depth of understanding and true level of knowledge by many participants on this very board. Many of you sem to think that cooling can let CPUs ignore laws of physics. Cooling is simply a NESCESITY for stable operation. >>



As a friend of mine pointed out to me,
&quot;I dunno, once something becomes superconducting physics get wierd... or near-superconducting anyway. &quot;

 

[Vyle]

<< Vyle

What do you care what clock speed it's running at???



<< Just listen to yourself. A 1.7ghz chip is &quot;holding it's own&quot; against a 1.3ghz chip? This is an accomplishment? >>



Just compare the performance. Clock speed is only a valid comparison between cpus using the same architecture. >>



Of course I care what clock speed it's running at. If somone said Boy that 1.3ghz Tbird kicks the stuffing out of that Celeron 800, I wouldn't be amazed. It should. A 1.7ghz chip 'holding it's own' against 1.3ghz is hardly impressive. I don't give a damn about the architecture. But even if you factor in the Tbird is based on an older architecture, the PIV's performance is even more laughable.

 

[ntshane]

It's fair to say that the clock speed is &quot;not that important&quot; but it does matter....

The 1.7ghz p4 is holding it's own against the athlon 1.33...BUT, the 1.7ghz p4 costs around $500 more! I think that it IS fair to compare these proc's clock for clock, and if not, at least dollar for dollar.

.02

 

[LXi]

I agree with ntshane and Vyle, Tbird and P4 dont match on either clock speed or price, you can't really compare them unless they are. Plus, I wouldnt be so proud to sell my lung and own a stunning 1.7GHz that hardly keeps up with a cheaper 1.33GHz.

 

[formulav8]

I think it would be valid to compare clock for clock. No one twisted Intel's arm to use such a long pipeline. Thier greed is why they used it. They just wanted high mhz so the public would buy it. Intel knows that 90%+ people just look at mhz and think that has to be the best performing cpu. Intel's own fault for making such a high freq. low performing cpu. They deserve to be humiliated by a 1.3ghz Athlon beating thier 1.7 ghz P4 in alot of benchmarks.

 

[nitrousninja]

I think AMDs' dad can beat up Intels' dad!

 

[lhampel]

Intel is a wonderful corruption, isn't that what &quot;Intel Corp.&quot; stands for? I mean they brought us Rambus memory!! What a wonderful way to treat the people who have supported your products!!

 

[MikeO]

<< However, the P4 already out-performs the fastest Athlon. Sorry. >>

Hahaha, it's totally amazing how this guy can lie to himself, isnt it? Does he really believe in what he's saying? He's under serious need for shrink.. I can understand trolling, but this is just amazing.

1.7ghz P4 performs about equally with 1.33ghz Tbird, wins some &amp; looses some. Everybody should know this already, and accept the facts. Sorry Tbird is still ahead, because you dont have to sell your kidneys to get one!

 

[Soccerman]

Adam K47

Has it been proven that Information is GUTB? Is it just a guess? If it's true, I'd like to see the thread where it is proven. (I like to read up in OT messageboard affairs hehe)

well, I looked at some of his posts, when he was accused of being GUTB, he didn't actually say no, in fact, he slightly confirmed it (though I don't remember the thread, so you'll have to take my word for it).

Though, I thought there were ways to prevent people from joining again (banning their cell block). I thought that's what AT forums does..

Fkloster

4.2 gb/s sse2 memory bandwidth is an accomplishment no?

4.2 Gigabytes a second?? I was under the impression that at default, the P4 is 3.2 Gigabytes FSB as well as Ram??

I'd have to say that the bigger accomplishment is the SSE2, because even AMD can do 3.2 Gigabytes/second FSB and RAM, the question is, does it make sense economically to have done it instead of say the 133mhz DDR FSB step?

someone else here stated recently this:

-Clock for clock comparisons are only good to show people who are really into designing chips to find the effects of different changes.

-Users who are concerned about price/performance should only be concerned about comparing processors at equal price (whether that includes RAM and a mobo, and a compliant case+Power supply, is the website's decision, depending on their BIAS, or including both, if they truly ARE neutral)

-Users who are concerned purely on the top of the line then compare the fastest processor available from each company.

 

[drewski]

All of my rigs are AMD, and it's true, clock for clock isn't the best comparisons accross architectures, but also keep in mind that the P4 has upside potential when/if developers take advantage of the newer architecture and optimize some code to use it to it's potential.

It's kinda like DDR (and even Rambus). In theory/architecture they are far superior to SDRAM, but they need something that actually takes advantage of their capabilities.