AMD 1700XP Oem Just for $52.00 in Newegg.com

[MaxDepth]

would this be a great (or good) deal for my dad if I order the 1700 and the Asus A7N266-VM AA (AMD Assured Version) NVIDIA nFORCE 220 Chipset 266/200MHz FSB Motherboard Micro ATX- Retail ?

He has a ATX box for an older duron. I guess I'd have to buy a 400w power supply to match the board and CPU, too.

But he'd get audio, video, and LAN (for his DSL) for $123.99 (+ shp/handling, tax).

Oh, and I'd guess he'd need new memory, too.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
would this be a great (or good) deal for my dad if I order the 1700 and the Asus A7N266-VM AA (AMD Assured Version) NVIDIA nFORCE 220 Chipset 266/200MHz FSB Motherboard Micro ATX- Retail ?

He has a ATX box for an older duron. I guess I'd have to buy a 400w power supply to match the board and CPU, too.

But he'd get audio, video, and LAN (for his DSL) for $123.99 (+ shp/handling, tax).

Oh, and I'd guess he'd need new memory, too.

It'd only be a decent deal. The price has only dropped $7 on the CPU. So by saving $7, you're going to be shelling out for a new mobo, PSU, and RAM (which can be expensive for decent stuff). Cost savings vs. cash outlay ratio is pretty bad IMO. If your dad really, really needs a new system (has complained about it) and uses his comp for things that need a faster cpu, then its worth it.

Chiz

 

[ScrapSilicon]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
would this be a great (or good) deal for my dad if I order the 1700 and the Asus A7N266-VM AA (AMD Assured Version) NVIDIA nFORCE 220 Chipset 266/200MHz FSB Motherboard Micro ATX- Retail ?

He has a ATX box for an older duron. I guess I'd have to buy a 400w power supply to match the board and CPU, too.

But he'd get audio, video, and LAN (for his DSL) for $123.99 (+ shp/handling, tax).

Oh, and I'd guess he'd need new memory, too.

It'd only be a decent deal. The price has only dropped $7 on the CPU. So by saving $7, you're going to be shelling out for a new mobo, PSU, and RAM (which can be expensive for decent stuff). Cost savings vs. cash outlay ratio is pretty bad IMO. If your dad really, really needs a new system (has complained about it) and uses his comp for things that need a faster cpu, then its worth it.

Chiz

wonder what duron and what mobo..?

 

[lsman]

refurb. $49 now. quick. (do a search on 1700+)
link
6 left.

 

[MrPabulum]

bump for cheaper and cheaper procs. Love my Xp 1900+

 

[MrC4]

Well, Anandtech strikes again. My computer loves it but not my pocketbook.

 

[lsman]

HOT! The $49 is actually a retail box! get it before its gone.... (give it 5 minutes)

 

[BigJ]

If I'm overclocking, I usually try to stay away from refurbished processors, and plus as Newegg states, they are only covering this as OEM (15 days warranty) and YMMV as far as the "retail box" may go.

 

[Yo2]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: CHJF
lets get back to the 1700xp and over-clocking?
please guys

Here's some info on T-bred's and potential OC's I posted over in CPU/OCing:

It really depends on the stepping and week of the T-Bred A. I was an early adopter and jumped on the 1700+ T-bred (AIRGA week 32) and although it hasn't been a complete dud (does 1.825ghz now that I have a better OCing board and memory), it isn't nearly as good as the newer steppings (RIRGA Week 42 or later). From what I've been seeing, people are hitting 2 ghz easy with these chips.

Of course the ones we've all been waiting for that have been rumored to start appearing are the lower PR T-bred B's. These babies should hit 2.2-2.4ghz with relative ease, as the 2400+ have been doing.

Anyways, going with a 1700+ or 1800+ with a good PSU and good cooling/case airflow should allow you to keep the same multiplier (which is unlocked on Nforce2 boards ) and notch your FSB up from 133 to 166mhz as long as your RAM can handle it. This'll get you into the 1800mhz range and from there you can tweak your multi or FSB to get higher. AGP and PCI locks and memory speed ratios give you unprecedented control over your system....OCing has never been easier!!!

Chiz

Just to set the record straight:

Above is a lot of good information however the multiplier is unlocked on the chip itself not by any secret means on the mobo. That means - unlike what the nforce marketing wants you to believe - this has NOTHING to do with the MOTHERBOARD (i.e. ANY TBred ready MOBO that can handle multipliers can o/c this chip by changing the multiplier/fsb combination).

Yo

 

[CHJF]

Thanks Chiz.....

got one coming...NewEgg Rocks!!!!

 

[MrC4]

Damn......, now I have both a 1700+ OEM and 1700+ Retail Box coming.

 

[littletemple]

AGP and PCI locks and memory speed ratios give you unprecedented control over your system....OCing has never been easier!!!

Chiz

What are AGP and PCI locks? You can lock the frequency the PCI and AGP slots run when you overclock the FSB? Also, would you get the same performance from just raising the multiplier and not raising the FSB or is it better to do both or what?

 

[Rushour]

Originally posted by: BigJ2078
If I'm overclocking, I usually try to stay away from refurbished processors, and plus as Newegg states, they are only covering this as OEM (15 days warranty) and YMMV as far as the "retail box" may go.

OEM is 30days from Newegg.com & retail Box is 3 years warranty.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: littletemple

AGP and PCI locks and memory speed ratios give you unprecedented control over your system....OCing has never been easier!!!

Chiz

What are AGP and PCI locks? You can lock the frequency the PCI and AGP slots run when you overclock the FSB? Also, would you get the same performance from just raising the multiplier and not raising the FSB or is it better to do both or what?

Yes, AGP and PCI locks essentially keep your AGP (66mhz) and PCI (33mhz) buses at normal specs irregardless of what you set your FSB. Tradtionally, your AGP and PCI bus ran at a fraction of the FSB speed. At 100mhz, the AGP divider was 2/3, 1/3 for PCI. At 133mhz it becomes 1/2 for AGP and 1/4 for PCI. The AGP bus has a much higher threshold for OCing the the FSB, with the ability to achieve a 100mhz bus speed stably. The same was not true for the PCI bus however. Devices would start to "flake" out much sooner, typically in the 37-38mhz range. The PCI bus has always been the biggest problem for most OCers, b/c good RAM has been able to hit 200mhz FSB for some time now. With some quick math however, you'll see that PCI devices start exhibitng problems right around the 148mhz to 152 mhz range, preventing many without a 1/5 PCI divider from achieving even 166mhz FSB.

In the past there was a greater gain from OCing the FSB bus and dropping the multiplier. With recent BIOS changes though, you can control both your FSB speed and your memory speed to run them asynchronously. Ideally, you want to run the two synchrounously (166/166), as latency issues begin to adversely affect performance when you run them at extreme ratios.

Newer KT400 boards and all Nforce2 boards have the ability to lock the PCI bus at 33mhz, and allow extra control over the AGP bus with settings in the BIOS. This is b/c the benefits of OCing the PCI bus can lead to more problems than performance gains, however, OCing the AGP bus can yield tangible (at least in benchmarks) performance gains and not exhibit issues due to its high tolerance for high bus speeds.

Hope that helps more than it confuses

Chiz

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Rushour

Originally posted by: BigJ2078
If I'm overclocking, I usually try to stay away from refurbished processors, and plus as Newegg states, they are only covering this as OEM (15 days warranty) and YMMV as far as the "retail box" may go.

OEM is 30days from Newegg.com & retail Box is 3 years warranty.

Sorry pal, but Refurbised OEM parts are only 15 days, nice try I was referring to the people jumping on the refurbished bandwagon, see all of the previous 4 posts above mine.

BTW: OEM is now down to $51

 

[littletemple]

Yes, AGP and PCI locks essentially keep your AGP (66mhz) and PCI (33mhz) buses at normal specs irregardless of what you set your FSB. Tradtionally, your AGP and PCI bus ran at a fraction of the FSB speed. At 100mhz, the AGP divider was 2/3, 1/3 for PCI. At 133mhz it becomes 1/2 for AGP and 1/4 for PCI. The AGP bus has a much higher threshold for OCing the the FSB, with the ability to achieve a 100mhz bus speed stably. The same was not true for the PCI bus however. Devices would start to "flake" out much sooner, typically in the 37-38mhz range. The PCI bus has always been the biggest problem for most OCers, b/c good RAM has been able to hit 200mhz FSB for some time now. With some quick math however, you'll see that PCI devices start exhibitng problems right around the 148mhz to 152 mhz range, preventing many without a 1/5 PCI divider from achieving even 166mhz FSB.

In the past there was a greater gain from OCing the FSB bus and dropping the multiplier. With recent BIOS changes though, you can control both your FSB speed and your memory speed to run them asynchronously. Ideally, you want to run the two synchrounously (166/166), as latency issues begin to adversely affect performance when you run them at extreme ratios.

Newer KT400 boards and all Nforce2 boards have the ability to lock the PCI bus at 33mhz, and allow extra control over the AGP bus with settings in the BIOS. This is b/c the benefits of OCing the PCI bus can lead to more problems than performance gains, however, OCing the AGP bus can yield tangible (at least in benchmarks) performance gains and not exhibit issues due to its high tolerance for high bus speeds.

Hope that helps more than it confuses

Chiz

So, if i'm planning on buying a KT266a or a KT333 board with my Crucial PC2100 memory, i should just raise the multiplier and raise the FSB a little bit for better stability? Would something like 13 X 140 work just as well as 11 X 165? Thanks.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: littletemple

Yes, AGP and PCI locks essentially keep your AGP (66mhz) and PCI (33mhz) buses at normal specs irregardless of what you set your FSB. Tradtionally, your AGP and PCI bus ran at a fraction of the FSB speed. At 100mhz, the AGP divider was 2/3, 1/3 for PCI. At 133mhz it becomes 1/2 for AGP and 1/4 for PCI. The AGP bus has a much higher threshold for OCing the the FSB, with the ability to achieve a 100mhz bus speed stably. The same was not true for the PCI bus however. Devices would start to "flake" out much sooner, typically in the 37-38mhz range. The PCI bus has always been the biggest problem for most OCers, b/c good RAM has been able to hit 200mhz FSB for some time now. With some quick math however, you'll see that PCI devices start exhibitng problems right around the 148mhz to 152 mhz range, preventing many without a 1/5 PCI divider from achieving even 166mhz FSB.

In the past there was a greater gain from OCing the FSB bus and dropping the multiplier. With recent BIOS changes though, you can control both your FSB speed and your memory speed to run them asynchronously. Ideally, you want to run the two synchrounously (166/166), as latency issues begin to adversely affect performance when you run them at extreme ratios.

Newer KT400 boards and all Nforce2 boards have the ability to lock the PCI bus at 33mhz, and allow extra control over the AGP bus with settings in the BIOS. This is b/c the benefits of OCing the PCI bus can lead to more problems than performance gains, however, OCing the AGP bus can yield tangible (at least in benchmarks) performance gains and not exhibit issues due to its high tolerance for high bus speeds.

Hope that helps more than it confuses

Chiz

So, if i'm planning on buying a KT266a or a KT333 board with my Crucial PC2100 memory, i should just raise the multiplier and raise the FSB a little bit for better stability? Would something like 13 X 140 work just as well as 11 X 165? Thanks.

Normally running a higher FSB sync with the RAM will result in better performance, but you might be able to do that in this case. The only thing I'm worried about is I believe only multipliers 12.5 and lower are unlocked on the lower end Tbreds, which means that max you could set your multiplier is at 12.5. Someone correct me if they have proof showing otherwise.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: littletemple


So, if i'm planning on buying a KT266a or a KT333 board with my Crucial PC2100 memory, i should just raise the multiplier and raise the FSB a little bit for better stability? Would something like 13 X 140 work just as well as 11 X 165? Thanks.

You will have a difficult time running 166mhz FSB with the KT266A board, I just migrated from an 8KHA+ and Crucial PC2100 and could only run stably at @ 150FSB (which is still high) b/c of the 1/4 PCI divider limitations of the 8KHA+. Later BIOS will allow you to POST at much higher FSB speeds (up to 200), but the stress is too much on both your CPU and insanely overclocked PC2100. I could run relatively stable at 166mhz, but it forced me to use a multipler that yielded a lower overall system OC.

In general, the higher you raise the multiplier, the higher voltage you will need to set your VCore. The higher you raise your FSB (and memory) the higher you will have to raise your Vdimm as well as your Vcore (b/c your CPU will still need the extra juice to run at the higher overall clock). Raising your Vcore will translate to higher CPU temps, which of course, require better cooling. Raising VDimm can cause memory instability, higher northbridge temps, and again, and of course instability with the PCI bus and the components running on the PCI bus. Edit: The T-breds use less power than their Palomino siblings, so they dissipate less heat, offering cooler temps and more OCing headroom.

You'll do better with the KT333 b/c it has a 1/5 PCI divider, and your memory will probably be the biggest bottleneck to OCing. The KT333 will offer more flexibility though, as the different dividers "kick-in" at different front side bus speeds. I believe the 1/5 divider kicks in around 155 or so on the KT333 boards.

Chiz

 

[k1114]

Damn good chip, although I'd reccomend the 1800+ even with the new price of the 1700. Why? Because most 1800+ tbreds on good mobos can do 2.0 (2400+) and more perfectly stable on air cooling. Best budget chip on the market right now.

 

[littletemple]

Thanks for all your info. I think I'll get a KT333 motherboard and set multiplier at 12.5 and FSB from 140-150. What do you recommend from Asus A7V333, MSI KT3-Ultra2, Shuttle AK35GT2, Epox 8K3AE, Abit KD7-E? After reading some reviews, I'm leaning towards the Asus.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: littletemple
Thanks for all your info. I think I'll get a KT333 motherboard and set multiplier at 12.5 and FSB from 140-150. What do you recommend from Asus A7V333, MSI KT3-Ultra2, Shuttle AK35GT2, Epox 8K3AE, Abit KD7-E? After reading some reviews, I'm leaning towards the Asus.

Asus is always a safe bet except in a few cases they've put out dogs. I'm not super keen on the KT333 and KT400's; I skipped this cycle of mobo upgrades b/c my KT266A performed so well and increasing my FSB meant getting new memory. Wasn't worth the upgrade in my case for a higher FSB and the possibility of a slightly higher OC. Check the mobo forum and see if anything sticks out at you, otherwise just look for serious problems with any of the boards. Between that and the reviews you should be able to narrow down your choices, and then choose one based on what options you want vs how much you want to pay.

Chiz

 

[vexingv]

price drop, not much tho; now $51

 

[ctucker]

Looks like a good time to upgrade my 1ghz tbird!
Thanks!

 

[CHJF]

Hay guy and girls

received my chip this morning heres the numbers.
AXDA1700DUT3C
JICCB 0251SPMW

i'M A PROUD OWNER of a Thoughbred B

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: CHJF
Hay guy and girls

received my chip this morning heres the numbers.
AXDA1700DUT3C
JICCB 0251SPMW

i'M A PROUD OWNER of a Thoughbred B

OMG!!! :Q I almost placed an order for a 2100+ at $92 b/c they look to be T-bred B's..but if the 1700+ are T-bred B's I can get 2 for the same price!! :Q CHJF check your PM pls

Chiz