AMD 2014 Desktop roadmap

[ShintaiDK]

Resurrected from the closed thread:

But Kaveri is not a 2013 release, its a 2014 release.

AM3+ also hit the end of the line. Like in the server space there are no updates for it.

[redacted]

That's not related news. That's you thread crapping in your own OP
-ViRGE

 

[NTMBK]

Hmm, odd that there's no mention of the Warsaw server parts- I'd at least have expected those mild refreshes to spill down to AM3+.

Any more information on the Puma cores in Beema?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Any more information on the Puma cores in Beema?

Not much:
http://anandtech.com/show/7514/amd-2014-mobile-apu-update-beema-and-mullins

I would guess they got turbo.

 

[NTMBK]

Not much:
http://anandtech.com/show/7514/amd-2014-mobile-apu-update-beema-and-mullins

I would guess they got turbo.

Here's hoping. AMD really dropped the ball on that with Jaguar.

 

[Jaydip]

I typically don't follow CPU news but wasn't SR supposed to be a performance desktop part?

 

[ShintaiDK]

I typically don't follow CPU news but wasn't SR supposed to be a performance desktop part?

No.

 

[AtenRa]

Hmm, odd that there's no mention of the Warsaw server parts- I'd at least have expected those mild refreshes to spill down to AM3+.

Any more information on the Puma cores in Beema?

Warsaw is a PileDriver core.

 

[NTMBK]

Warsaw is a PileDriver core.

Yeah, but I assume that it's getting the same tweaks that Richland got- RCM, or something similar. It'd be nice to see that turn up in AM3+, even if it's only a minor improvement over the 9590.

 

[NaroonGTX]

Server roadmap:

But Kaveri is not a 2013 release, its a 2014 release.

Shipping to OEM's by year's end, hitting retail in Jan~Feb. 2014.

I typically don't follow CPU news but wasn't SR supposed to be a performance desktop part?

No. AMD never said that there would be a SR-based FX processor.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This is bad. That line of credit is not for a new investment or something, but for working capital. Their operation cannot generate enough cash to sustain their operation in the short term.

Indeed. And it shows on the roadmap. Killing one product at a time and no 20nm.

 

[AtenRa]

Indeed. And it shows on the roadmap. Killing one product at a time and no 20nm.

And what product is that ?? I dont remember AMD talking about a product before that its not in the roadmap now.

 

[SiliconWars]

Who was expecting 20nm desktop parts next year? Also what product has been killed?

 

[Sweepr]

There was a lot of denial but here it is, no FX-based Steamroller in 2014. A10 7850K 3.7GHz better be 32% faster clock per clock like one user predicted, otherwise it will be a minor upgrade compared to the A10 6800K 4.1GHz (~10% higher clock). If you use discrete GPUs and expect to play X1/PS4 ports then Haswell/Haswell Refresh and discounted FX6xxx/FX8xxx will be far better options.

 

[JohnDC]

Kind of sad that AMD is not updating their performance lineup with 22nm parts next year.I hope they will update the performance segment when ddr4 comes to the desktop.Lack of competition is not good.

I hope reviewers get some Kaveri samples soon so we can see what those chips can do.They look good so far.Would be nice to see some benchmarks.

Anyone think that AMD's focus on mid range to low end will prompt Intel to possibly release unlocked I3's or something?

 

[NaroonGTX]

Indeed. And it shows on the roadmap. Killing one product at a time and no 20nm.

What product has been killed? FX isn't going anywhere, AM3+ will remain and they'll keep selling Vishera chips. Like I said, AMD never once promised a Steamroller part for AM3+. That was nothing more than journalists and enthusiasts hoping for it to exist.

As for 20nm, that will come with Carrizo in Q1 2015. FX may return with EX cores in 2015, but who knows for sure... Anyway in 2014 all Intel is releasing is Haswell-E and Broadwell, which is just a die-shrunken Haswell. Not a big deal at all for desktops. Not long after that AMD will have their 20nm EX APU with HDL.

 

[mrmt]

As for 20nm, that will come with Carrizo in Q1 2015. FX may return with EX cores in 2015, but who knows for sure... Anyway in 2014 all Intel is releasing is Haswell-E and Broadwell, which is just a die-shrunken Haswell. Not a big deal at all for desktops. Not long after that AMD will have their 20nm EX APU with HDL.

Do you know that one of the side effects of HDL is to lower the maximum atainable clocks, exactly the opposite of what you desire in a FX chip, right?

 

[inf64]

Who cares, EX is not going to be high core count (I doubt we will see 4M EX based APUs) and 20nm is good to alleviate any "ill-effect" HDL may bring.

 

[mrmt]

Who cares, EX is not going to be high core count and 20nm is good to alleviate any "ill-effect" HDL may bring.

Don't get me wrong, HDL is everything AMD needs: Smaller die size and lower power consumption. As they won't be fighting for the performance crown anymore, they can at least be cost competitive with smaller die size and better power consumption that should help them on the mobile market.

HDL just isn't tailored for a clock speed uber alles design like AMD FX.

 

[inf64]

AMD FX is not FX because it's high clock only. SR is 3rd gen. of Bulldozer and it's just 8% slower in terms of pure clock speed than FX8350 (base vs base). FX is FX because it gave you 4-8 "cores'" working at those high clocks. SR APU will be in that regard a sort of FX4xxx successor since it will be having 2M, will be unlocked and will be clocking in the similar freq. range. Not to mention it will probably trounce those FX4xxx models in pure performance in almost every scenario.

 

[NaroonGTX]

Do you know that one of the side effects of HDL is to lower the maximum atainable clocks, exactly the opposite of what you desire in a FX chip, right?

Exactly what "I" desire? I don't desire anything because I have no interest in the FX chips. I'm well aware that HDL would lower the clocks a bit, but what does it matter when the IPC increases will offset that anyway? No one complained when Core 2's clocks dropped from Pentium 4 for that very reason.

Not to mention there's no guarantee FX will even return with EX. So I couldn't care less about clock speeds breaking the 5Ghz barrier so long as the performance is there.

 

[Nothingness]

Don't get me wrong, HDL is everything AMD needs: Smaller die size and lower power consumption. As they won't be fighting for the performance crown anymore, they can at least be cost competitive with smaller die size and better power consumption that should help them on the mobile market.

HDL just isn't tailored for a clock speed uber alles design like AMD FX.

You are right about clock, but I don't see why HDL would improve die size or power consumption. A custom flow can target these two areas better than HDL.

It's like assembly language: it can be made faster or smaller than any higher level language. But the dev/debug price is way higher.

 

[SiliconWars]

I'm not even sure we'll see Excavator at 20nm. In fact I wonder if the 14nm tapeout happening next quarter is Excavator at GF.

 

[Pilum]

As for 20nm, that will come with Carrizo in Q1 2015. FX may return with EX cores in 2015, but who knows for sure... Anyway in 2014 all Intel is releasing is Haswell-E and Broadwell, which is just a die-shrunken Haswell. Not a big deal at all for desktops. Not long after that AMD will have their 20nm EX APU with HDL.

You really think that AMD, who have trouble mastering 28nm CPU design, should target a new process for a drastically changed architecture? That's something even Intel doesn't dare to do anymore; this was one of the fundamental reasons for the introduction of the tick-tock cycle, you improve architecture on a known process and master a new process with a known architecture. If AMD doesn't want a repeat of the Kaveri delays they'll use 28nm for Excavator, and then port it to 20nm for 2016.

 

[NaroonGTX]

Explain how EX is "drastically changed"? You do realize that Excavator is just a further evolution of Bulldozer, not some dramatically swapped-around uarch, right? I'd also like a source for the claim of Kaveri being delayed due to process issues. Steamroller ver1, whatever it was, was canned at some point in 2012 and they decided to work on bdver3b, or Steamroller B.

 

[JDG1980]

Looks like they're waiting for Excavator before releasing the next big-core, CPU-only part. That's a bit disappointing, but not too surprising. Maybe if the reviews and sales for Kaveri are good enough, we'll see a Steamroller FX chip after all, but it's a long shot.

The FX chips are basically cut-down or lower-binned server chips, and AMD needs to maintain a presence in the server CPU market. The margins on server CPUs are much better than with the desktop APUs they are pushing with Kaveri, and AMD has few enough high-margin products as it is. Intel doesn't rake in the really big bucks by selling i5-4670K's for $220, but by selling those crazy 12-16 core multiprocessor Xeons for $2000+ a pop.