Discussion AMD 2024-Q4 Earnings

Vattila

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Hi, the next AMD earnings report is getting close, and it is time to consider the numbers again.

Intuitively, I think there is a good chance that the Q4 results will be pretty good. Barring any unforeseen stall in sales somewhere, and just modelling continued 24% quarter-on-quarter growth in the Data Centre segment (vs +25% in Q3), modest 6% growth in the Client segment (vs +26% in Q3), further 13% decline in the Gaming segment (vs -29% in Q3), and continued slow +8% recovery in the Embedded segment (same as in Q3), then my estimate lands on the very high end of the guided revenue range ($7.50B ± 0.30B).

The big question is the server GPU sales in the Data Centre segment. The market has a very pessimistic view on AMD’s competitiveness here, and if that really reflects customer sentiment, there is a chance that growth has slowed down, which will materially affect the numbers. However, I find that counter-intuitive, considering the AI revolution we are experiencing and the rapid progress AMD has made to get viable products to market (Instinct MI300X is running Copilot workloads for Microsoft and Llama workloads for Facebook at market leading efficiency and cost, while leading AI frameworks and model repositories already have AMD ROCm back-end support out of the box). Also, there are the Nvidia roadmap stumbles, which should have been a wake-up call to anyone without a second source.

Adding to the growth coming from server GPU sales, AMD now has a very comprehensive and competitive CPU portfolio across server and client segments. In particular, the chips with V-Cache are top performers in the gaming PC space. In the server market, EPYC is snowballing and taking further share with the impressive “Zen 5” generation.

In the supercomputing space, AMD is the chip vendor behind the fastest exa-scale supercomputers in the USA (Frontier and El Capitan), as well as one of the fastest supercomputers in the EU (LUMI). These machines run large-scale HPC and AI workloads on AMD EPYC and Instinct chips, solving the world’s biggest problems (without CUDA in sight).

Q4 should be a record-breaking quarter for AMD, with record revenue and perhaps even record operating income. Notably, the total operating income on a GAAP basis is now on a positive upwards trend, after having been slightly negative to just slightly positive since the Xilinx acquisition, due to the the high amortisation of the related cost (accounted for in the All Other segment). Analysts and pundits using GAAP numbers for stock valuation may start to take notice.

However, I’ve been wrong before, and I may very well be wrong again. Let me know your thoughts.



(My spreadsheet is available at OneDrive.)
 
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Tarkin77

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i think gaming and client is too low and datacenter and embedded a bit too high.

my estimates: 4.2 + 2.2 + 0.45 + 0.95 = 7.8 (same as yours)

Q1 guide will be interesting. Analyst consensus is at 7B - thats absurd IMO

my Q1 estimates: 4.3 + 2.1 + 0.60 + 1 = 8
 

Joe NYC

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Here is a video looking at AMD earnings. One mistake he is making is that 9800x3d is part of the client revenue, not gaming revenue. So the gains would be in the client segment - which I also think will be a growth area from AMD:

 
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bsp2020

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Here is a video looking at AMD earnings. One mistake he is making is that 9800x3d is part of the client revenue, not gaming revenue. So the gains would be in the client segment - which I also think will be a growth area from AMD:

You are going to listen to a stock tip from a guy who does not know which product belong to which product group? Even if his number turns out to be right, it's pure luck.
 

Vattila

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thoughts? He is pretty bearish on AMD

He is right to point out that AMD's data centre GPU gross margin has been less than corporate average (ref. CFO Jean Hu statements), but I think he's wrong to presume that this will continue to be the case in the long run. Competition will be fierce, but if AMD can continue to grow share, higher gross margin will follow. There is a huge gap to expand into, considering Nvidia's current extreme gross margins.
 
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Vattila

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AMD 2024-Q4 EPS Contest (non-GAAP)

RankUserEPSRevenueOutlook
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Actual
$1.09
$7.66B
$7.10B
-
$1.07​
$7.52B​
$7.01B​
1
Joe NYC​
$1.11​
$7.85B​
$7.00B​
2
Vattila​
$1.13​
$7.80B​
$8.30B​
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Bing Copilot​
$1.05​
$7.30B​
$7.20B​
3
Tarkin77​
$1.14​
$7.90B​
$8.10B​

Intel has reported (see own thread) and the x86 client market looks strong. Time to submit your AMD estimates!

For historical segment results and my estimates for the completed quarter, see my original post. Note that Zacks has released a pre-report article, where they share their detailed estimates for each business segment. Notably they have Data Centre consensus at $4.10B (vs my $4.40B), Client at $1.97B (vs my $2.00B), Gaming at $0.51B (vs my $0.40B) and Embedded at $0.92B (vs my $1.00B). I don't know why they think Gaming has strengthened and Embedded has weakened. My numbers presume a further slight weakening in Gaming and continued steady but slow 8% recovery in Embedded. On AMD's ability to grow Data Centre revenue, they are pretty pessimistic. My numbers presume continued 24% quarter-on-quarter growth. In their forecast for Q1, they presume there will be stark decline for some odd reason. If I model a slight slowdown to 20% growth in Data Centre and a big -15% seasonal drop in Client, with other segments staying the same, I get $8.38B forecasted for Q1.

Post your numbers to participate!

Background Information

AMD's Q4 outlook: $7.50B ± 0.30B revenue
AMD: Detailed Earnings Estimates - Zacks.com
 
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Vattila

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So how many groups exactly do they get revenue from?
AMD currently has four business segments:
  • Data Centre (EPYC server CPU, Instinct server GPU and APU)
  • Client (Ryzen Threadripper workstation CPU, Ryzen mobile and desktop CPU and APU)
  • Gaming (PlayStation and XBox console contracts, discrete Radeon GPU)
  • Embedded (edge, industrial, military and space CPU and FPGA)
In addition, they have an accounting segment for costs not directly attributable to the business segments:
  • All Other (nonrecurring business expenses, compensation costs, acquisition costs)
For more information, see: How AMD Makes Money

For historical segment results and my estimates for the completed quarter, see my original post.
 
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Joe NYC

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AMD 2024-Q4 EPS Contest (non-GAAP)

UserEPSRevenueOutlook
Bing Copilot$1.05$7.30B$7.20B
Joe NYC$1.11$7.85B$7.00B
Tarkin77$1.14$7.90B$8.10B
Vattila$1.13$7.80B$8.30B
Zacks Estimate$1.07$7.52B$7.01B

Intel has reported (see own thread) and the x86 client market looks strong. Time to submit your AMD estimates!

For historical segment results and my estimates for the completed quarter, see my original post. Note that Zacks has released a pre-report article, where they share their detailed estimates for each business segment. Notably they have Data Centre consensus at $4.10B (vs my $4.40B), Client at $1.97B (vs my $2.00B), Gaming at $0.51B (vs my $0.40B) and Embedded at $0.92B (vs my $1.00B). I don't know why they think Gaming has strengthened and Embedded has weakened. My numbers presume a further slight weakening in Gaming and continued steady but slow 8% recovery in Embedded. On AMD's ability to grow Data Centre revenue, they are pretty pessimistic. My numbers presume continued 24% quarter-on-quarter growth. In their forecast for Q1, they presume there will be stark decline for some odd reason. If I model a slight slowdown to 20% growth in Data Centre and a big -15% seasonal drop in Client, with other segments staying the same, I get $8.38B forecasted for Q1.

Post your numbers to participate!

Background Information

AMD's Q4 outlook: $7.50B ± 0.30B revenue
AMD: Detailed Earnings Estimates - Zacks.com

Any other entries? AMD reporting tomorrow. Wait, it is already Tuesday, so later today.
 

Hitman928

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Quote for Q1 forecast:

For the first quarter of 2025, AMD expects revenue to be approximately $7.1 billion vs. $6.99B consensus, plus or minus $300 million. At the mid-point of the revenue range, this represents year-over-year growth of approximately 30% and a sequential decline of approximately 7%. Non-GAAP gross margin is expected to be approximately 54%.

And full year results:

 

MangoX

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In Q4 2024, AMD had 54% of Intel's revenue.

AMD has much better margins.
Would have looked even better if Gaming didn''t take such a hit. Just imagine, AMD Qs nearing Intel? I've never thought AMD could have ever achieved that in my lifetime! I mean, Intel's rev is still decent, they''re still the 800lb gorilla after all. But AMD is creepin' on a come up.
 

Hitman928

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DC is lower than expected. Hmm.

Maybe GPU traction is indeed lower than expected for AI.

They exceeded their $5B target (which is the result of 2 upward revisions during the year). Maybe analysts were expecting more, but AMD met and exceeded what they told everyone they would do. DC GPU revenue commentary and projection will probably be what most people are interested in during the call.

"Data Center segment annual revenue nearly doubled as EPYC processor adoption accelerated, and we delivered more than $5B of AMD Instinct accelerator revenue," said AMD CEO Lisa Lu. "Looking into 2025, we see clear opportunities for continued growth based on the strength of our product portfolio and growing demand for high-performance and adaptive computing."
 
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