AMD 3800+ Review

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Duvie

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Originally posted by: Pederv
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Originally posted by: Duvie


And the difference from a Manchester to a Toldeo in terms of transistors is all related to the added cache....So in conclusion turn off 1mb of cache (512 per each core) and it walks and talks like a manchester...For all intensive purposes it is a Manchester....

PLus do you have definitive proof these are toledos with defective cache??? I mean many of us threw out the theory, but where is the DEFINITIVE PROOF???
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Would MSI's compatible CPU list count?

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/...detail.php?UID=607&NAME=MS-7025&kind=1



Interesting so pretty much all E6 core Manchesters are their 2mb bretheren with 1mb of cache disabled....
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: Pederv
quote:

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Originally posted by: Duvie


And the difference from a Manchester to a Toldeo in terms of transistors is all related to the added cache....So in conclusion turn off 1mb of cache (512 per each core) and it walks and talks like a manchester...For all intensive purposes it is a Manchester....

PLus do you have definitive proof these are toledos with defective cache??? I mean many of us threw out the theory, but where is the DEFINITIVE PROOF???
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Would MSI's compatible CPU list count?

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/...detail.php?UID=607&NAME=MS-7025&kind=1



Interesting so pretty much all E6 core Manchesters are their 2mb bretheren with 1mb of cache disabled....
AMD didn't sit on the X2 3800+ just because they were greedy and expected everyone to gobble up the $500+ parts. Instead, today's release is the result of a slightly revised core, codenamed Manchester, specifically designed to cut costs.

The original Athlon 64 X2 (Toledo core) processors all had the same exact specifications:

- 233.2M transistors
- 199 mm2 die size
- 110W max power

For the Athlon 64 X2 4800+ and the 4400+, the shared transistor count and die size made sense. They both were identical from a transistor standpoint, one chip just ran 200MHz faster than the other. But the 4200+ and the 4600+ weren't identical; unlike the 4800/4400+ X2s, the 4200+ and 4600+ only had a 512KB L2 cache per core, not a 1MB L2.

Update: As many of you have correctly pointed out, the 4200+ and 4600+ were available as both Toledo and Manchester cores. More than half of the Athlon 64 X2's transistor count is spent on cache, which means that if there are going to be any manufacturing defects on the chip, they will more than likely occur in the processor's cache. Born out of that fact, the Toledo based Athlon 64 X2 4600+ and 4200+ were nothing more than 4800/4400+ X2s with too many manufacturing defects; instead of throwing the bad cores away, AMD simply rebranded them and sold them at lower price points. The problem with this approach is that an Athlon 64 X2 4200+ took the same amount of space on a wafer as an Athlon 64 X2 4800+, despite only having half the cache. Thus we have the Manchester core: a core designed from the ground up to only feature a 512KB L2 cache per core.
From the Anandtech article.
 
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