AMD 6000 series vs Nvidia gtx500 series who will win? Poll included.

[badb0y]

But back in the beginnig of December there was no prices, so yes they were supposed to compete but AMD came up short so they lowered the prices. Shame ha?

Nope, actually if you back track a few generations AMDs flagship single GPU has been closing in to nVidia's flagship single GPU.

Case in point:
3870 vs 8800 GTX

28% faster

13% faster

10% faster

13% faster

So as you can see throughout the years the overall performance of the flagship single GPUs has been converging, the GTX 580 did end up widening the gap back up to 13% but overall it seems like AMD has done a great job of closing that 28% lead nVidia had.

Further more the fact that the HD 6990 and GTX 590 have a single digit performance difference, despite GF 110 being a faster chip than Cayman, shows that AMD definitely played there cards right this time around and by the next generation of GPUs the single GPU flagships might even end up being closer in terms of performance.

nVidia definitely shouldn't be underestimated though, they were able to pull the GTX 580 out when no one thought it would be possible to improve on Fermi within the same process node, I was very pleased and shocked at the same time when the GF 110 was released and even today I would prefer a GTX 580 over my HD 6950 but budget constraints aren't letting me waste that much money on a graphics card.

So all in all, price and performance determine competition not what someone online thinks are competing products.

 

[happy medium]

You also said...

No way a 6990 will beat a GTX595..........wrong.
Not only that, But a GTX590 wont beat a 6990 either.

By the way, a little off topic here, but does Age Of Empires 3 support Eyefinity ?

I love how some of you guys sit on the sidelines to scared to even give a prediction but ridicule someone when they get 4 out 5 and 1 tie, plus has the balls to even try.

Its not just you Mental.

 

[taltamir]

I love how some of you guys sit on the sidelines to scared to even give a prediction but ridicule someone when they get 4 out 5 and 1 tie, plus has the balls to even try.

It seems to me that they are not ridiculing you over making a prediction, but bambozzled by your claims of having made a correct prediction. You touted with pride how you were dead on, where every single aspect of your prediction was wrong.

It happens, making predictions is very hard and its very easy to be wrong. Its not like anyone here ever failed to predict the feature. Admit you made a bad prediction and move on.

 

[3DVagabond]

I love how some of you guys sit on the sidelines to scared to even give a prediction but ridicule someone when they get 4 out 5 and 1 tie, plus has the balls to even try.

Its not just you Mental.

Oh, come on now, lighten up. It's not that bad. When the 550 was first released, I remembered everything you said it was going to be and do. I didn't go looking through the old posts though to point out that you were wrong. I didn't see you stepping up either to say that it's not the card you thought it would be.

I didn't see you stepping up when the dual gf110 wasn't the card you thought it would be. What you rationalized it would be made sense. There was a good chance it would happen and be faster than the 6990. It's not though.

I haven't seen you step up and ever admit you were mistaken when cards you've just about announced as official don't materialize. One of the ~15 cards that you've predicted materializes though, and will likely perform just as you said it would, and you want everyone to jump up and be impressed.

 

[Will Robinson]

Quote:
Originally Posted by happy medium
I love how some of you guys sit on the sidelines to scared to even give a prediction but ridicule someone when they get 4 out 5 and 1 tie, plus has the balls to even try.

Its not just you Mental.

Who cares anyway...what is this an ego contest?:|
I've never seen anyone crave attention and praise so blatantly before...give it(and us) a rest.

 

[insurgent]

The consumers win, and more specifically.. I win! A 6970 for the price of a 6950, if it wasn't for the unlock I'd be using a 560 Ti right now.

 

[Will Robinson]

World's fastest graphics card?

• GeForce GTX 590 (384 votes)
  15%
• 
  
• Radeon HD 6990 (2074 votes)
  78%
• 
  
• Other (185 votes)
  7%

The Tech Report

That's some serious pwnage right there.^_^

 

[Tempered81]

AMD / ATi has had the crown since NOV 2009.

 

[Kenmitch]

I love how some of you guys sit on the sidelines to scared to even give a prediction but ridicule someone when they get 4 out 5 and 1 tie, plus has the balls to even try.

I predict that AMD will be the 1st to release quadfire in a single card

 

[TerabyteX]

The consumers win, and more specifically.. I win! A 6970 for the price of a 6950, if it wasn't for the unlock I'd be using a 560 Ti right now.

The GTX 560 Ti is often behind the HD 6950 by a small margin, like 40% wins, 10% tie, 50% loses. Unless if the GTX 560 Ti is cheaper than the HD 6950, the Radeon card is a better buy overall.

 

[taltamir]

I predict that AMD will be the 1st to release quadfire in a single card

I bet they wouldn't. Recall that the intel lrb was 10 atom chips on one card and it was scrapped.
Having more chips on a card is NOT beneficial, it actually harms performance compared to one single chip. but they can put 2 chips (and downclock them a lot) and still have something that works. More than is senseless.

 

[dguy6789]

Larabee isn't directly comparable to having something like 4 GPUs on a chip. Larabee was an attempt to take a general purpose processor that isn't particularly good at anything and throw enough of them on a PCB so that it can run graphics at a good frame rate. Of course that ended up not working out.

 

[taltamir]

Larabee isn't directly comparable to having something like 4 GPUs on a chip.

It most certainly is, not because the atom cores on lrb are similar in architecture to nvidia's or AMD's GPUs... of course not.
Its because you would have to cut down fermi/cypress down to atom levels in order to be able to fit 4 of them on the thermal budget of a single card.

 

[bryanW1995]

not necessarily. at 450w you could put 4 barts cores on one pcb.

 

[dguy6789]

It most certainly is, not because the atom cores on lrb iaresimilar in architecture to nvidia's or AMD's GPUs... of course not.
Its because you would have to cut down fermi/cypress down to atom levels in order to be able to fit 4 of them on the thermal budget of a single card.

Larabee didn't fail because of the number of chips, it failed because the entire idea itself ended up not being practical at all. 4 GPUs on a single card would work no differently than doing Crossfire or SLI with two dual GPU cards. If Nvidia or AMD really wanted to do it they could do it. Even if they had to make each GPU not even half as powerful as normal, it would still work. It could be one very, very large PCB, or it could be a sandwich style board like the Geforce 9800 GX2.

 

[taltamir]

Larabee didn't fail because of the number of chips, it failed because the entire idea itself ended up not being practical at all.

Eh, it was a factor. it was this + x86 idea that together made it fail.

4 GPUs on a single card would work no differently than doing Crossfire or SLI with two dual GPU cards.

Except, you now have to magically cool 4 GPUs, and feed enough power to, and have enough ram on the board for it... its grossly imrpractical.

If Nvidia or AMD really wanted to do it they could do it.

I am not saying that they CAN'T place 4 GPUs on a single board. I am saying that they WOULDN'T... because it will be a failure of a card that would suck, suck bad. The CPU ate up the math coprocessor, the memory controller, the north bridge... integration works, integration is good, integration provides superior performance.

Multi-gpu designs are inherently less efficient than a monolithic design, they are just less costly when moving beyond a certain size.

Trying to cram 4 GPUs on a single board and have them work well and be a competitive product is unrealistic and illogical from a power consumption perspective, a performance perspective, a cost perspective, a size perspective, and a cooling perspective.

Already the GTX590 and the AMD 6990 are both made of epic fail. Any sane person would run two single GPU cards on a two slot board... they are more for running quad GPU with 2 cards of 2 GPUs each... and watercooling to overcome the noise and heat. If they put 4 of these GPUs on a single card it would be a complete disaster of a card. If they put 4 cut down GPUs (Say, the GPU in the GTX550) then it would be more expensive, more power hungry, and much much weaker in performance compared to a single GTX580

 

[insurgent]

The GTX 560 Ti is often behind the HD 6950 by a small margin, like 40% wins, 10% tie, 50% loses. Unless if the GTX 560 Ti is cheaper than the HD 6950, the Radeon card is a better buy overall.

Yeah the 560Ti is cheaper here, and after around 3 years of using ATI cards I was looking into using an Nvidia card again, but the value of the 6950 was impossible to resist

 

[railven]

Yeah the 560Ti is cheaper here, and after around 3 years of using ATI cards I was looking into using an Nvidia card again, but the value of the 6950 was impossible to resist

Did you flash yours to 6970 speeds?

Part of me is itching to drop my 5870 2 GB for $150 (paid $500 just one year ago ) and picking up a 6950 with intentions to flash.

Or just hold out and see if the 7 series is any better. But that is a whole year away (as I know it). Damn you TSMC!

 

[bryanW1995]

I've got a nasty feeling that we will see a lot of that "Damn you TSMC!" sentiment over the next year. or two.

 

[Kenmitch]

Trying to cram 4 GPUs on a single board and have them work well and be a competitive product is unrealistic and illogical from a power consumption perspective, a performance perspective, a cost perspective, a size perspective, and a cooling perspective.

It's nice to see my prediction caused some debate. Maybe it should be a seperate thread tho.

It was more of a challenge to make a prediction than anything else.

 

[taltamir]

I've got a nasty feeling that we will see a lot of that "Damn you TSMC!" sentiment over the next year. or two.

which is quite odd... its a super difficult market. both TSMC and Foundry Company failed with their first 32nm attempt and had to cancel it. Intel has to spend billions per fab...
If TSMC didn't exist then nvidia and AMD would not be able to sell us cards as good as they are. As disappointed as I am with the slow pace of development, I am grateful to them... they are the only ones who keep the torch of progress lit for GPU process tech improvements.

 

[bryanW1995]

huh? If tsmc didn't exist then NV and AMD would have been working with somebody else for the past decade +, and that somebody else would have the technical know-how that tsmc currently allegedly has. If tsmc was so on the ball then you wouldn't have both gpu companies looking elsewhere. How long ago did amd buy ati, about 5 years? Why are they just now looking to shift production to GF? I say that it's b/c of tsmc's inability to perform over the past few years. Same issue with NV. And it's even more urgent for them b/c amd/ati had that 1/2 node advantage on them for years, most likely keeping NV from being able to deliver the death blow when ati was down in the dumps. I still think that NV's best move would be to start using intel.

 

[railven]

I've got a nasty feeling that we will see a lot of that "Damn you TSMC!" sentiment over the next year. or two.

I'd throw a "Damn you consoles!" in there too

 

[TerabyteX]

Did you flash yours to 6970 speeds?

Part of me is itching to drop my 5870 2 GB for $150 (paid $500 just one year ago ) and picking up a 6950 with intentions to flash.

Or just hold out and see if the 7 series is any better. But that is a whole year away (as I know it). Damn you TSMC!

Well, the HD 6970 isn't much faster than the HD 5870, unless if you play at a resolution or eye candy levels that aren't playable on a HD 5870 2GB. DX11 performance improved more, so if you really care about DX11 performance in future games, sell it on ebay and get an HD 6950 2GB and unlock it, pretty much a free upgrade if you sell your HD 5870 at a reasonable price.

 

[bryanW1995]

I'd throw a "Damn you consoles!" in there too

Haha, the console swearing will probably go on forever. But the good news is that we might not miss 28nm for 18-24 more months if the consolization of pc gaming continues unabated. At some point new consoles will come out and then we'll really need new cards.