AMD 64 Prices *Winchesters*

[Winchester]

98...99...100.

 

[clarkkent333]

I need to pick up a 3000 Winchester in the next few days. Does anyone have a reason to believe there will be another price drop? Especially since both Zip Zoom and Chief Value already raised their prices $5 each.

 

[intogamer]

I will update prices.

 

[imported_rudy311poo]

Monarch's price on the 3200+ retail has dropped to $180. Unfourtunately for me, I live in GA which means ~$9 sales tax

 

[sivart]

What is strange is that if you put the 3200+ retail into one of their combos, it cost $191. I'm waiting for the $160 mark to jump in

 

[intogamer]

yeh the prices are going up and down.
I will update again!

 

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by: user1234
as I understand it, when I replace the stock cpu HSF with an aftermarket HSF, I will be voiding the 3-year warranty on my retail version cpu, and revert to the 90-day oem cpu warranty, correct ?

no, that's not true. all retail-boxed cpu's have a 3-year warranty.

 

[CorporationX]

i'd like to mention that i bought a mobo + winnie combo from moncarch

 

[user1234]

IF you get a "barebones combo" (cpu+mobo) from monarch the 3000+ oem is only $139, and you also get free HL2 and FarCry games. I recommend to get a combo consisting of 3000+ ($139), Thermaltake A1838 K8 HSF ($25) and Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 mobo ($115) for a total of $279. This is easily overclocked to 290x9=2610 mhz for kicka$$ performance. Get some corsair/ocz pc4400 ($250 for 2x512MB) if you wanna run your memory at 1:1 (e.g. DDR600) and top it off with x800xl video card ($300) and raptor 74GB 10Krpm sata hardrive ($175) and you've got all the components for a dream (=gaming) machine for $1000 total (still need case and PSU as well as external peripherals). For OS, you can get WinXP 64-bit for free from microsoft, and/or install Linux.

 

[imported_johnson]

Monarch's price on the 3200+ retail has dropped to $180. Unfourtunately for me, I live in GA which means ~$9 sales tax

I just ordered one with free ground shipping. No tax for me.

 

[user1234]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: dp004i

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: dp004i
The OEM 3200+ looks rather tempting... Would it be a good upgrade from a P4 running at 3.2GHz in i865PE-based mobo?

Not really.

But overclocked to 3800+ speeds it definitely is.

What are the chances of getting it up to 3800+ speed, and what sort of a motherboard would i need for that?

PS: I would prefer a board with an AGP slot - already have a Radeon X800.

Pretty easy actually if you assume that 2500MHz is equivalent to a 3800+. These processors easily reach 2500MHz as a matter of routine. However I have to warn you that a few people were not able to exceed 2350, but those reports and few and far between. I guess you already know that overclocking is always a chance, but the odds seem really good with these Winchesters.

In fact I can run 2660MHz with my 3200+. Some people would argue that is around 4000+ speeds. If you really want to be sure you can wait for the E stepping coming out soon. Those are supposed to be able to overclock even better than the shipping Winchesters.

As for motherboard see I think the ASUS, DFI, and MSI Nforce boards will all handle it. In fact even the really cheap Chaintech will if you mod it a little (add fan to NB cooler).


Also, I have to add that using an aftermarket cooler makes the difference between 2350-2400 limits and 2500-2700 limits (assuming you got lucky to see the high end of that).

thanks "guru" I wonder where you get your info, probaby by reading anacdotal stories on online message boards. The fact that you don't even understand what speeds 3800+ and 4000+ run at tells a lot. Let me set you straight that my 3000+ can't pass the 265x9 speed and remain stable. It's a no go even at 267x9. Previously I was using the stock cooler, and after getting an aftermarket cooler, the temps have gone down by 5C, but it made no change at all in the overclocking limit, reaffirming this limit. Even with the stock cooler, temps were around 45C at full load, which is fine any way you look at it. That's why I didn't think a high-end cooler will matter, but tried it anyway based on your "informed" post. As I said, it lowered temps by 5C but didn't help overclocking. And to your knowledge, lots of people can't overclock past 2.4 ghz, 2.6 is NOT GURANTEED like you seem to think. It's not "few and far between" to get less the 2.4. [pwned]

 

[lazarus000]

so when is this AMD "E" super stepping due out?

i'm in the market ... looking at one of these monarch combo's ... but if there is another stepping coming out soon i'll wait.

 

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by: user1234
thanks "guru" I wonder where you get your info, probaby by reading anacdotal stories on online message boards. The fact that you don't even understand what speeds 3800+ and 4000+ run at tells a lot. Let me set you straight that my 3000+ can't pass the 265x9 speed and remain stable. It's a no go even at 267x9. Previously I was using the stock cooler, and after getting an aftermarket cooler, the temps have gone down by 5C, but it made no change at all in the overclocking limit, reaffirming this limit. Even with the stock cooler, temps were around 45C at full load, which is fine any way you look at it. That's why I didn't think a high-end cooler will matter, but tried it anyway based on your "informed" post. As I said, it lowered temps by 5C but didn't help overclocking. And to your knowledge, lots of people can't overclock past 2.4 ghz, 2.6 is NOT GURANTEED like you seem to think. It's not "few and far between" to get less the 2.4. [pwned]

I agree, few and far between would mean that it happens only a few times ever. I can attest to having a 2350 MHz CPU, it sucks. There seem to be entire lots of CPUs that can only do around this. It's luck of the draw. No one even has any idea that the Venice will do a single MHz better, it's all speculative. If you look at Duvie's o/cing "survey" it seems that a good portion of CPUs can't reach 2400 and some are even stuck at 2100! It seems that current CPUs although cheaper are o/cing like crap, so it's possible that current bang for buck is about what it was when the Winchesters were first released...

 

[user1234]

Well, I wouldn't go overboard the other way and say my winchester overclocks like crap, or that it sucks, because 9x265=2385 mhz is quite a respectable overclock of almost 600 mhz - over 30% above the stock speed of 1800 mhz. That's not crap. Also my overall performance is quite good - equivalent to stock 3800+ which runs at 2400 mhz (cause my ram is at 217 mhz which compensates for the slightly lower cpu clock compared to 3800+). But it's definetely a little short of my expectations of getting around 2600 mhz (9x290). But I know of many other people which are stuck below 2400 mhz. And to repeat my warning about sxr7171 mis-information - there is hardly any difference between using the stock cooler and aftermarket cooler, as the temps are below 50C even with the stock cooler, which means that they do not create any barrier to overclocking, at least in my case. Maybe it matters if your cpu can reach 2600, but according to what I read, it all depends on the luck of the draw - some cpus can hit 2600 with lower voltage and temps than my cpu at 2400 mhz.

 

[NaiMan]

When you guys overclock, can ya actually see/sense the difference, besides benchmarking them?

 

[user1234]

when you overclock your cpu by 35% and gpu by 15% many operations are 20-30% faster at least, which is definitely noticeable. Also sometimes it's even more noticeable because a system usually has a "critical point" with regard to a particular load type, after which its performance plunges - for example, when memory is exhausted. Many times overclocking pushes the critical point further away, letting you run smoothly the same workload that previously overloaded your system.

 

[EF9]

Originally posted by: bgc99

Originally posted by: Zim

Originally posted by: Dragonbate
Can someone confirm that Chief Value= Newegg?

Yes, without a doubt.

I don't understand this, why would Newegg run two sites and undercut their own prices?

BGC

They're only 2 blocks or so apart!

 

[vfrjim]

Going to do a combo this April, especially with the offer from AMEX BLue that I got the other day, 0% for 13 months on any $500 or more By that time, maybe the prices will drop even more...

 

[7pants]

On average, does the original speed of the chip seem to have any bearing on how high it will OC? For example, does there seem to be a substantially better chance of reaching 2.6 GHz with a 3500+ than with a 3000+? Anyone know of a good resource for typical OCs?

 

[lazarus000]

Originally posted by: 7pants
On average, does the original speed of the chip seem to have any bearing on how high it will OC? For example, does there seem to be a substantially better chance of reaching 2.6 GHz with a 3500+ than with a 3000+? Anyone know of a good resource for typical OCs?

well the original speed is certainly a guideline ... the batch and stepping can have a huge effect on what the top speed is. sometimes there is a sweet spot that gives you get bang for you buck.

you remember the AXIA procs?


they pretty much went up to 1.4ghz regardless of whether you bought a 1.0,1.2,1.3 etc. so 1.0 was the best value.


theres an overclocking database around the internet someplace ... i'll check my bookmarks to see if i still have it.

 

[mhillary]

cool! will check them out

 

[sivart]

man, I wish these prices would drop again. Itching to get me a 3200+ 64 bit

 

[SignalSoldier]

can we get an update im to lazy to surf

 

[Showtime]

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-501&depa=0

$5 drop. Retail 3000 $149 at newegg.

-show

 

[sivart]

this thing needs an update as the 3000+ OEM is $119 at Monarch.