You are more concerned with what piece of hardware does your physics calculations than how that physics implementation adds to the game.*snip*
Even after having released 4 cards in recent memory (6870, 6850, 6970, 6950), I fail to see AMD's "answer" to the GTX 460. They have nothing that can even come close to a GTX 460 for $120, especially when you factor in overclocking.
IMO AMD would have been better served by waiting for 32nm rather than coming up with these castrated GPUs that were not intended for the 40nm process.
Even after having released 4 cards in recent memory (6870, 6850, 6970, 6950), I fail to see AMD's "answer" to the GTX 460. They have nothing that can even come close to a GTX 460 for $120, especially when you factor in overclocking.
IMO AMD would have been better served by waiting for 32nm rather than coming up with these castrated GPUs that were not intended for the 40nm process.
5850 is eol.
Judging from what you've said, the 460 is EOL too, is it not?
If so, then I don't see the 560 competing with the 68xx, but with the 6950. Which will leave the 68xx in a class of its own.
...no, I don't think the 460 is EOL just yet.
So? You can still buy it.
Hard for AMD's answer to be a card that is EOL is it not? If AMD's answer is the 5850 they would continue to manufacture the card.
Who cares, you can turn my statement into an AMD/NV p***ing match if you want.
Simple fact is someone in the market for a card in that price bracket would be nuts not to consider the 5850.
Hard for AMD's answer to be a card that is EOL is it not? If AMD's answer is the 5850 they would continue to manufacture the card.
Hard for AMD's answer to be a card that is EOL is it not? If AMD's answer is the 5850 they would continue to manufacture the card.
Sure it is a good alternative but that isnt AMDs "answer". If you were to ask AMD what their product is to counter the 460. They would tell you the 6850 and 6870, not the 5850.
hey dude, we get it, you dont just drink nvidia koolaid, you hunger and lust for it. thats cool. take it outside of this thread please.
havok was used in Red Faction Guerilla FWIW, no idea if it runs on GPU or CPU nor do I care.
And that changes what you actually put into your PC, how much it costs and how it performs because?
Just going by average prices on Newegg the 5830 seems to be the competition for the 460.
So is nvidia still manufacturing the 460? That seems surprising considering the move to the 5xx line.
I wasn't sure about the prices thats why I put the ? in front of 5850.
I'm also not sure of the relative performance of the 5850, 460 and 5830. I've been trying to choose between a 5870, a 6950 and a gtx570. Thats why I threw an older card into the mix.
We already know what the answer is, as it is the 6850 and the 6870. The price of the 5850 and the 460 are low specifically because both are expected to be EOL in Q1 2011.
I don't quite get what you are trying to say to be honest. Maybe I am just frustrated by so many things pulling at me at once, but this argument that AMD has nothing to compete with the 460 is about the dumbest argument I have heard today. They released cards to compete with it almost 2 months ago now, and nothing has really changed in that time.
The card AMD doesn't really have a competitor for is the 580. (Well actually the 5970 competes there.) Just like nVidia doesn't currently have a competitor to the 6950. If either of these ends up being a major profit driver, you can bet that both companies will find a way to compete in that market space.
I was too lazy to look up the 5830 vs the 460, I was just going by prices on Newegg. Sounds like one or both companies could raise prices next year. Holiday sales are drying up... Glad I bought a card already.
NVIDIA does have a 560 coming, I'm sure AMD will have some sort of 6830/6750 or some such thing.
And that changes what you actually put into your PC, how much it costs and how it performs because?
I dont get what is so hard to understand. Welshbloke made the argument AMD's answer to the 460 is the 5850. Clearly that isnt AMD's "answer" as they have stopped making the card. We can purchase the card today but AMD isnt presenting the 5850 as an alternative to the 460 today or in the future.