[AMD] 6990 is World's Fastest Video Card, Nvidia lying about the 590, the slower card

[Grooveriding]

Posting blog posts from a GPU manufacturer which portrays the opposition in a negative light is now bad/not allowed/should get locked?
Because this isn't the first reposted company blog post about a topic which has also been covered in other threads. The other thread wasn't closed. Nor was it started by the OP of this thread.

Apparently it's not allowed and is propaganda. Or marketing.

Four nvidia fanboys are sore because the 590 fell short. If anything the outrage is just validating AMD's statement.

I made my opinion clear early on, I feel they're 80% right, because where AMD are faster, in demanding and intensive modern games, you need the speed. Where nvidia is faster, it's useless and is adding a few fps onto already 100+fps console ports.

But this is cherry picking.

Lots of tears but nothing solid, no benches to show nvidia has any sort of lead in a game where more FPS is needed. And lots of rubbish and turning a blind eye to mounting reports of exploding 590s just a few days after launch. Nvidia themselves having to come out and say the card is not recommended to be overclocked.

What a turd. It's like Crysis 2 being a console port. Two turds in one week. :thumbsdown:

 

[WelshBloke]

No, it really isn't for the exact reasons I mentioned above.
All depends on where you look or where one "wants" to look.
You know this by now bud. :thumbsup:

Yeah I know its easy to skew the results but overall I still think the 6990 is the faster.

Not that there's anyway I'd buy either of them. I love the fact that they exist but I wouldn't want to own one. I have got picky enough over the sound levels of 'normal' cards before, one of these would send me nuts. Although it would probably distract me from trying to silence my harddrives. :hmm:

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Well then all the more reason to keep it open then, yes?

To get to the bottom of it all, yes. Whether or not that was Groove's intent is up for debate, but that (getting to the bottom of it) is what the thread should have devolved into anyway. But I see a lot of bickering back and forth with a few points and counterpoints sprinkled here and there.

I'm in agreement with Lonyo, though. This isn't the first time an interesting (controversial?) blog post has been posted on these forums, so I don't see why it should be locked based on that merit alone.

 

[Silverforce11]

Well educate us how your special system performs that is somehow as fast an an overclocked GTX 580 Tri-SLI system.

It *is* pointless for me to have any kind of a reasonable discussion with someone who cherry picks benchmarks that ultimately shoots their own argument.

And i am off to bench at 5760x1080 and 2560x1600 only; for Part II of GTX 580 vs HD 6990, only One is "the world's Fastest video card". Overvolting and overclocking also.
--And a little "testing" of Bulletstorm in 3D besides.
:biggrin:

Believe what you want to believe. Just don't expect everyone else to fall for it. Not everyone looks for exactly the same thing regards to "fastest" that you do as evidenced by your PC setup.

Aloha.

Your reviews are very indepth.. but perhaps too indepth as many games are quite old and running at crazy high FPS where it makes no difference to these enthusiast level cards. Even a midrange 560 has no problems with most of them. I think that's the point. You kinda have to tailor your gaming selection to the product at hand. If its top range, just keep it at high res/multi-screen because who buys $700 cards to run at low res? (Not many, according to our forum polls anyway). Its just more "work" for yourself to bench at lower res for these cards.

Looking forward to your new high res/eyeinfinity review. Shogun 2 is an amazing game and really pushes PC graphics hard. My CF 5850s struggle at 1080p with ultra settings. DA2 is also a AAA title and deserves benching. These two titles have really sold well and boosted PC gaming more than any recent release.

 

[Silverforce11]

This thread feels a lot like marketing more than anything. Each card is faster in different situations. Cherry picking benchmarks to prove a point is intellectually dishonest, from either side.

Also I would expect most people to stop reading that marketing press release as soon as AMD mentioned "3dmark11."

While 3dm11 is not held to much esteem by gamers as a benchmark tool, besides for epeen value.. but these days with so much variation in gaming performance, which i the faster product? You can't explain it in an easy way, one product shines in lower res or special TWIMTBP games and the other shine in high res and neutral games. Reviews also vary wildly based on the games they choose to bench.

What's the most logical metric in this case? It's an enthusiast card? Yes.
1. Then high res performance is the critical factor.
2. Games with 100+ fps at these high resolution is not important. I don't care if the 6990 gets 180 and the gtx590 gets 140 or vice versa.
3. Games with low-moderate FPS matters the most. Because these cards make the difference between an enjoyable experience or not.

 

[96Firebird]

I disagree... More games is always better, as long as it is organized so the reader can find what they want. I think apoppin does a great job of keeping it a mix between new and old games. Sure, someone might look to buy the card to play newer games, but they might also want to see how it plays with their older favorites as well.

And DA2 may have been an anticipated game, but it failed miserably. I haven't seen so many complaints about a game since GT5 came out...

Edit: 120+ FPS benchmarks are for those who want to look into playing 3D. I'd say the amount who play in 3D is probably around the same who play Eyefinity/Surround.

 

[Jacky60]

Apparently it's not allowed and is propaganda. Or marketing.

Four nvidia fanboys are sore because the 590 fell short. If anything the outrage is just validating AMD's statement.

I made my opinion clear early on, I feel they're 80% right, because where AMD are faster, in demanding and intensive modern games, you need the speed. Where nvidia is faster, it's useless and is adding a few fps onto already 100+fps console ports.

But this is cherry picking.

Lots of tears but nothing solid, no benches to show nvidia has any sort of lead in a game where more FPS is needed. And lots of rubbish and turning a blind eye to mounting reports of exploding 590s just a few days after launch. Nvidia themselves having to come out and say the card is not recommended to be overclocked.

What a turd. It's like Crysis 2 being a console port. Two turds in one week. :thumbsdown:

Thanks for the voice of truth. Anyone who owns 3 480's in SLI and says this needs to be taken seriously and everything Groove has said imho is correct. Big money marketing and attempts to hide the truth (this very point is after all worth millions of dollars to both parties) are responsible for the new focus on noise-in itself a moot(not mute) point due to the different testing regimens. Its 2 db under load woop de doo.

 

[Keysplayr]

To get to the bottom of it all, yes. Whether or not that was Groove's intent is up for debate, but that (getting to the bottom of it) is what the thread should have devolved into anyway. But I see a lot of bickering back and forth with a few points and counterpoints sprinkled here and there.

I'm in agreement with Lonyo, though. This isn't the first time an interesting (controversial?) blog post has been posted on these forums, so I don't see why it should be locked based on that merit alone.

I don't think it should be locked either. ???

 

[SirPauly]

Thanks for the voice of truth. Anyone who owns 3 480's in SLI and says this needs to be taken seriously and everything Groove has said imho is correct. Big money marketing and attempts to hide the truth (this very point is after all worth millions of dollars to both parties) are responsible for the new focus on noise-in itself a moot(not mute) point due to the different testing regimens. Its 2 db under load woop de doo.

I guess the GTX 590 is a turd then and the voice of truth, hehe! Around a 50 percent increase in performance over the GTX 580 for a single card is not a welcomed choice?

Hiding what truth?

 

[Aristotelian]

I have a feeling he doesnt have those 480s, but rather a 5870.

He has already posted pictures of his rig. Since you didn't know that, I'd say that you're one of the last people who should be trying to discredit his posts.

If this thread can be characterized as follows:

1) The 590 and 6990 trade blows, depending on the game, and
2) When the 590 pulls ahead, it does so in case both cards are already achieving high (100fps) frame rates (rendering the pulling ahead moot), and
3) When the 6990 pulls ahead, it does so in case both cards are struggling with the relevant game at those settings,

Then it is understandable that some would think that the 6990 is the card of choice.

Note the 'if', above, that is a conditional. 2) and 3) are being debated in this thread and I'm not sure how else to resolve it aside from a comprehensive benchmark comparison. (Someone could quote this line of mine and end it, if they have the benchmarks handy).

Also, apoppin, the 'view all' link in your review takes me back to a review index - any chance that can be fixed?

 

[Dribble]

Viral marketing thread, hope you got paid for it.


Thread-crapping is not acceptable.

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[Skurge]

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a viper faster than a 911 turbo? I dont think so. The turbo s does 0-60 in 2.7secs. Thats 0.2 slower than a 1000hp veyron. On a track it wouldnt even be a fair fight between the 2. Maybe you were talking about the Regular 911. Even the slower gt3 would keep a viper honest.

 

[formulav8]

I doubt many people would deny that the 6990 is truly the fastest card in the world where it matters. To me that settle's the debate as who has the fastest card. But people see things differently than I. So thats why there is a debate. I'll just leave it at that.

But I have to admit that nvidia's 590 card is a big, fat, and expensive dissappointment as far as performance goes.

 

[Sentry2]

I doubt many people would deny that the 6990 is truly the fastest card in the world where it matters. To me that settle's the debate as who has the fastest card. But people see things differently than I. So thats why there is a debate. I'll just leave it at that.

But I have to admit that nvidia's 590 card is a big, fat, and expensive dissappointment as far as performance goes.

I agree.

I've had quite a few dual gpu cards in the past to know that I'll likely never buy another. I don't care which side it's from.

 

[SHAQ]

There is no fastest card. Let it go. I don't really worry about 5% this and 5% that. At that point people are better off discussing other benefits of AMD/Nvidia. Things like drivers, 3D,surround,SSAA,ability to edit driver profiles,noise,power draw,price (sales rebates) etc. It's a shame people bicker over minimal performance advantages.

 

[Will Robinson]

If even a few HD6990s blew up during testing the green acolytes here at AT would be spawning thread after thread to gloat about it.
How ironic it is to see how dismissive they are of genuine reports of a serious problem with the new GTX590 power circuitry when operating at high power.
First the GTX550Ti underwhelms, now its new flagship card gets beat by AMD6990 and,at best, is problematic when overclocking.
Not exactly a flying start to 2011 for NVDA.....looks like the wheels are coming off and the green team has lost its way.:\D:

 

[blastingcap]

First of all, anyone who totally believes marketing from either AMD or NVIDIA is naive.

Second, of those who buy a 590 and end up a few frames per second short on average, would they have even noticed the difference had they bought a 6990 instead?

Lastly, how many people on this thread are thinking about spending their own money (or have spent it already) on either of these cards? Zero? One? Why are we arguing over halo cards that almost nobody buys?

 

[pcm81]

First of all, anyone who totally believes marketing from either AMD or NVIDIA is naive.

Second, of those who buy a 590 and end up a few frames per second short on average, would they have even noticed the difference had they bought a 6990 instead?

Lastly, how many people on this thread are thinking about spending their own money (or have spent it already) on either of these cards? Zero? One? Why are we arguing over halo cards that almost nobody buys?

i got 2x6990s on release date.

EDIT:
It was a halo for my wallet, and all i had to do is sell my left kidney...

 

[cotak13]

First of all, anyone who totally believes marketing from either AMD or NVIDIA is naive.

Second, of those who buy a 590 and end up a few frames per second short on average, would they have even noticed the difference had they bought a 6990 instead?

Lastly, how many people on this thread are thinking about spending their own money (or have spent it already) on either of these cards? Zero? One? Why are we arguing over halo cards that almost nobody buys?

Rhetorical? Cause you well know they are arguing because they can. And don't have better things to do for the minutes they take to type something in.

 

[CrystalBay]

Parity was predicted 4 years ago with DX10 and there we have it.

 

[Grooveriding]

Parity was predicted 4 years ago with DX10 and there we have it.

()

 

[Kingkazma]

i use CUDA heavily so it'll be 590 for me.

thought if anyone wants to give me either i'll be happy to take

no srsly, anyone?

 

[veri745]

It's resolved already. The cards trade blows on one site, 6990 is overall faster on another site, and the 590 is overall faster on another site.

As for the exploding 590s, why be intentionally daft about that? You know (YES YOU DO KNOW NOW) that updated drivers have full protection in that regard. So I really do think you should surrender that playing card at this time. It only makes you look like you're ignoring it and using it as some sort of ammunition in your propaganda thread here.

Can you link me to a review that claims the 590 is the faster card overall? I haven't read one yet.

 

[tincart]

Can you link me to a review that claims the 590 is the faster card overall? I haven't read one yet.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/gtx_590_review/37

"Nvidia’s GTX 590 is much faster than the GTX 580 and it wins more benches than it loses to the HD 6990. Nvidia has brought good performance into a $700 package."

 

[Grooveriding]

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/gtx_590_review/37

"Nvidia’s GTX 590 is much faster than the GTX 580 and it wins more benches than it loses to the HD 6990. Nvidia has brought good performance into a $700 package."

That conclusion is flawed. He is basing it on console ports where both cards are getting in excess of 100FPS. Yet in the games that are demanding, the 6990 is consistently faster.

Not only that, but he benches the 590 with an overclock, yet not the 6990.

But yes, it is the one review where you see that conclusion being made. So make of that what you will