AMD 7000 Series Desktop Graphics Parts Delayed to Q2 or Q3 2012?

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tviceman

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lol'd

You both are actually doing the same thing just in different ways. He is much more provocative in his approach and yours is more subtle.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing, just thought it was funny when you said that you hope he was on AMD's payroll. Thread is amusing me though please continue.

I readily admit that I prefer nvidia products. But I don't make trolling accusations about nvidia's competitor's products or employees in attempts to twist discussions and make nvidia look better and I certainly don't take offense to someone else preferring a non-nvidia products. And I often point out strategies or products Nvidia has that I think suck. I have also recommended AMD cards many times on here.

I am, what I would like to think, sensible.
 

Madcatatlas

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the [heck]?

Did I miss something or is this guy just trolling hardcore?



you missed something. Nvidia cards exploded, burned up, just outright died and left their owners in a bad shape, foul mood.

the 590 exploded (exploded refers to components on the PCB of the card)
nvidia drivers killed customers card, this was a spesific driver. dont tell me to give you the spesific driver, find it yourself. Its a fact.
nvidia cards since the g80 series have just burned up, needing to be baked to reconnect bad PCB solders and what not.
 
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Madcatatlas

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LOL, I'm usually for AMD...but, damn, the guy is on some good [stuff].

Anyway, suck they got delayed. But on the bright side, I'm glad I picked up a 2nd 5850 to CF, should hold me over nicely. :thumbsup:

he just made a list. if making a list makes you a drug addict, you are living in some weird alternative reality...

why did you pick up a second 5850 when the 5xxx series does so badly in CF/SLI compared to the 400 series, the 6000 series and the 500 series?

It would have been way smarter, since you bought a card after all, to just buy a 6950 or a 560ti and then get a second such later on.

As recommended by several others, a 560ti will oc to 570 lvls and above. a 6950 will either unlock or oc to 6970 speeds. Thus they are both within 10-15% range of the 580 which is about the speed you will see in the best case scenario with 2x5850s. Do correct me if im wrong or if the 5850s are 10-15% faster than a 580...
 
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I readily admit that I prefer nvidia products. But I don't make trolling accusations about nvidia's competitor's products or employees in attempts to twist discussions and make nvidia look better and I certainly don't take offense to someone else preferring a non-nvidia products. And I often point out strategies or products Nvidia has that I think suck. I have also recommended AMD cards many times on here.

I am, what I would like to think, sensible.
I readily admit that I prefer nvidia products. But I only make trolling accusations about nvidia's competitor's products or employees in attempts to twist discussions and make nvidia look better and I always take offense to someone else preferring a non-nvidia products. And I often point out strategies or products Nvidia has that I adore. I have also recommended AMD cards many times on here to sound sincere.

I am, what I would like to think is,a Troll. .

Fixt that for you.


And that, dear forum friends, is what we call "How to make a clearly actionable troll post".

Do not imitate what Will Robinson has done here. This type of posting is nothing more than a cry for help to the mods, basically saying "Please help us regain control of our life! We hate that we spend too much time in ATF, please help us by sending us on long vacations or even a permaban, for the good of our real lives!".

Moderator jvroig
 
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Shape_of_Grey

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It would have been way smarter, since you bought a card after all, to just buy a 6950 or a 560ti and then get a second such later on.
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I already have one card and 2nd one cost me $120, whereas going your suggested route would cost me $200+ (6950) and result in less performance gain. It just did not make sense to me to spend 2x the money for less performance (even if you unlock/OC 6950 to 6970, CF 5850 wins) when I can wait for the new tech to roll out (7XXX) then sell both the cards, add some more $$ and buy the new big boy then later add another for CF?

Maybe we just have a different way of looking at things.
/shrug
 

SirPauly

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That's the beauty of multi-GPU to me is to buy a second or third GPU when prices are more affordable at times.
 

Red Storm

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That's the beauty of multi-GPU to me is to buy a second or third GPU when prices are more affordable at times.

I guess if you upgrade very frequently that's not a bad way to go. Personally I like to upgrade with new architectures, as those usually provide new features in addition to increased performance. I sell my current card and that knocks off anywhere from $100 to $200 off of the new card, so it isn't very expensive at all to upgrade for me.

That, and I also prefer single card solutions. Have yet to ever use SLI/CF and I don't plan on that changing anytime soon.
 

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Or perhaps AMD wants to offer their own cooling solution for the enthusiast market. It doesn't mean every reference 7900 will have a liquid cooler, the basic ones could have the same blower type cooler.
If this keeps going we're going to buy aquariums rather than cases, install the computer in it, and fill it with non-conductive liquid coolant. CPUs and GPUs need coolers, RAM, north & south bridges need heat sinks, why not just do it all with one product? Adding a couple of fishes and a plant would be a nice touch.
 

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you missed something. Nvidia cards exploded, burned up, just outright died and left their owners in a bad shape, foul mood.

the 590 exploded (exploded refers to components on the PCB of the card)
nvidia drivers killed customers card, this was a spesific driver. dont tell me to give you the spesific driver, find it yourself. Its a fact.
nvidia cards since the g80 series have just burned up, needing to be baked to reconnect bad PCB solders and what not.


Did you ever actually own a 590 and have it explode, or do you just talk out of your ass based on what you read on the internet? The driver you're referring to, I used it and guess what, nothing exploded. I've owned every generation of nvidia hardware since G80 and nothing ever burned up or needed to be baked.

You're just fabricating bullshit, just like all the other people fabricating bullshit against either NVIDIA or AMD without any actual experience.
 

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That's the beauty of multi-GPU to me is to buy a second or third GPU when prices are more affordable at times.

From someone who uses multi-gpu and has for a while, this comment is really the antithesis of how you should use multi-gpu. With the fast release cycle of new technology with video cards and the large jumps in performance with each new generation, it doesn't work out in your interest to upgrade this way.

The best way to make use of multi-gpu is to buy the fastest two cards you can afford and buy them together. Preferably when the technology has just been released.

Buying one and planning for another down the road is not a good strategy. There will be a single card at that point that is almost as fast, as fast or faster than the multi-gpu setup, and a single card is preferable to using multi-gpu.

If you want to go SLI or CF, go as big as you can afford and do it when the cards are brand new. You'll get more life and satisfaction out of the setup that way.
 

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From someone who uses multi-gpu and has for a while, this comment is really the antithesis of how you should use multi-gpu. With the fast release cycle of new technology with video cards and the large jumps in performance with each new generation, it doesn't work out in your interest to upgrade this way.

The best way to make use of multi-gpu is to buy the fastest two cards you can afford and buy them together. Preferably when the technology has just been released.

Buying one and planning for another down the road is not a good strategy. There will be a single card at that point that is almost as fast, as fast or faster than the multi-gpu setup, and a single card is preferable to using multi-gpu.

If you want to go SLI or CF, go as big as you can afford and do it when the cards are brand new. You'll get more life and satisfaction out of the setup that way.

A more elegant smart VSYNC has to be developed before I ever, ever consider dual GPU again. I had microstuttering bad on a 6970 xfire and it was present as well on GTX 580 SLI. Maybe some people notice it but its very noticeable to me -- and its ridiculous when I can play on a single GPU on an older game and its completely smooth, while a dual GPU solution will play at 150 fps but I get periodic herky jerky micro pauses.
 

blackened23

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Did you ever actually own a 590 and have it explode, or do you just talk out of your ass based on what you read on the internet? The driver you're referring to, I used it and guess what, nothing exploded. I've owned every generation of nvidia hardware since G80 and nothing ever burned up or needed to be baked.

You're just fabricating bullshit, just like all the other people fabricating bullshit against either NVIDIA or AMD without any actual experience.

FYI, there were numerous cases of GTX 590's that basically caught on fire (from the VRM), quite a few users at overclock.net posted pictures. I don't have any links to threads, but it did happen and many users there attested to it.

Thats why nvidia recommends to never overclock a 590, and the clock speed for 590 is far lower than the 580.
 

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Not sure about the 590, but I think it was driver 196.75 that caused the heating problems in nvidia cards.

Edit: Well now I feel silly. Didn't see PCboy's link =p
 

Madcatatlas

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Did you ever actually own a 590 and have it explode, or do you just talk out of your ass based on what you read on the internet? The driver you're referring to, I used it and guess what, nothing exploded. I've owned every generation of nvidia hardware since G80 and nothing ever burned up or needed to be baked.

You're just fabricating bullshit, just like all the other people fabricating bullshit against either NVIDIA or AMD without any actual experience.



Well hello there mister high and mighty "ive owned it all".. or atleast thats the arrogant attitude i sense from your top to bottom post. If we all had to own the hardware we talk about, we wouldnt afford anything else.

If you have no clue as to what im talking about, you dont have a clue as to what im talking about. Leave it at that.
 

JAG87

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Well hello there mister high and mighty "ive owned it all".. or atleast thats the arrogant attitude i sense from your top to bottom post.

Of course, that's all your miniscule brain could deduce.


If we all had to own the hardware we talk about, we wouldnt afford anything else.

Exactly.

So don't say Hyundai is [rubbish] if you've never driven one.
Don't say japanese food is [rubbish] if you've never tasted any.
Don't say 590's burn up and explode if you've never had it happen to you.

Catch my drift?


If you have no clue as to what im talking about, you dont have a clue as to what im talking about. Leave it at that.

I don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. The world is full of opinions. Make sure you stand by yours and not somebody else's.
 
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notty22

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Did you ever actually own a 590 and have it explode, or do you just talk out of your ass based on what you read on the internet? The driver you're referring to, I used it and guess what, nothing exploded. I've owned every generation of nvidia hardware since G80 and nothing ever burned up or needed to be baked.

You're just fabricating bullshit, just like all the other people fabricating bullshit against either NVIDIA or AMD without any actual experience.


 

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From someone who uses multi-gpu and has for a while, this comment is really the antithesis of how you should use multi-gpu. With the fast release cycle of new technology with video cards and the large jumps in performance with each new generation, it doesn't work out in your interest to upgrade this way.

The best way to make use of multi-gpu is to buy the fastest two cards you can afford and buy them together. Preferably when the technology has just been released.

Buying one and planning for another down the road is not a good strategy. There will be a single card at that point that is almost as fast, as fast or faster than the multi-gpu setup, and a single card is preferable to using multi-gpu.

If you want to go SLI or CF, go as big as you can afford and do it when the cards are brand new. You'll get more life and satisfaction out of the setup that way.

The best way for you may not be the best way for another. The poster, shape-of-grey, did receive great value for his platform for an additional 120 dollars.
 

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BIOS Not to Blame For Exploding NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590

http://news.softpedia.com/news/BIOS-Not-to-Blame-For-Exploding-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-590-192300.shtml

guru of 3d forum users with GTX 590, user experiences of dead cards:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=3937679

Dunno guys, 25 page thread of users reporting their 590's dying or catching on fire

Not sure why anyone would want a 590 anyway, VRM gets way too hot and the reference 590 design is terrible. 580 SLI is a much better choice for stability and performance.
 
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Seero

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I was a SC2 beta tester and use 196.75 hours from its release. I used it to run SC2 and leave it on the menu screen for hours. Was the house on fire when I come back? No. Was the room on fire? No. Was the computer on fire? No. Was the video card on fire? No. Was there a BSoD? No. Was there a crash? No. Was there a performance gain with that driver? Yes. Was there anything wrong? No. Did I repeat this test? Yes, many many times.

Please get the facts straight. Video cards were being killed before and after 196.75 by the menu screen. Somehow the video card was rendering the manu screen in a crazy speed as CPU is not in the way. Many were joking in the beta forum about it being a better GPU stresser then furmark. 196.75 was release for only 2 days and was quickly withdrawn at March 2010 as some tester found that their fan doesn't spin up when it should with that driver. As usual conflicting reports by varies testers saying different things as well as 1-2 claims about a fried video card. What beta testers said within the forum is one thing, what ended up into media is another. At the time of release, many more people have their video cards fried by the menu screens at July 2010.

Beta testers screamed as loud as we could about the menu screen, but all that was heard was 196.75.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/248426046

4870x2 killed without CF enabled.

At the same time, 480 was out and I was waiting to see 480 being killed by SC2. Unfortunately, it did not happen, even though forums were filled with reports saying 480 runs too hot blah blah blah.

What are myths and what are facts? Your call.
 
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