AMD 760 vs. KT266A

[formulav8]

I run my Epox with Win98 and WinXP and no problems.

 

[NFS4]

<< Just remember that not everyone considers a few points in benchmarks and a few hundred patches and fixes to be the idea of the "fastest" AMD platform. There's zero real-world performance difference between SiS 735 and KT266A. Anyone who says otherwise obviously hasn't used both platforms. (Hell, there are people who swear there is no 'real world' difference between AMD760 and KT266A. But that's a moot point for this conversation.) >>


I don't give a crap about the frequency of 4-in-1 drivers. WHO CARES!!! It installs in 5 seconds and just requires a reboot. WHOOPTEFRIGGENDO. You make it sounds like someone is lopping off your wang and serving it to grandma.

Do you bitch when NVIDIA or ATi issues a new driver file, or when Microsoft loads up tons of software updates and patches on Windows Update? Or do you bitch about security updates for Windows? I check Windows Update frequently and there are always a new stream of patches coming through. What do I do?? STFU and install the damn patch


<< I'll also be interested to hear how much ECS "sucks" when they merge with Shuttle. In fact, it has been reported that ECS has been manufacturing Shuttle boards for quite some time now -- allowing them to sell in the sub-$100 price range. I suspect the opinions of more than a few forum users might sing a different tune. >>


I haven't heard any of that jive. I get a lot of info passed along to me b/c of what I do, and I haven't heard about or even ran across that "rumour" I could understand that if Shuttle were a larger company and they contracted out some of their mobo production, but Shuttle is a relatively small company and it doesn't make much since IMHO.

 

[Technonut]

<< You should purchase an name brand OEM computer if you don't have the skills to troubleshoot and maintain a system. >>


True words of wisdom for some... Back to the topic, I also have used quite a few K7S5A boards for customers with good results. I am currently running the KG7-R, (GASP :Q ) and have been happy with it. I had to knock back my FSB overclock since I have installed XP Pro, but I am running my 1800+ XP/MP at 1760MHz/ 1.85V/ FSB 153/ 2x256 MB Crucial @ CAS2 as smooth as glass. I did not like XP Pro at first, but it has kind of grown on me after some tweaking and privacy fixes.

 

[neutralizer]

I don't care about the patches and fixes, it's the stability. The 8KHA+ is stable like a rock. And the patches just take seconds to install. Who cares? But the quality of ECS is pretty bad, pretty high RMA rate.

 

[Pabster]

neutralizer wrote:

"But the quality of ECS is pretty bad, pretty high RMA rate."

Higher than that of the 8KHA+? I don't think so.

 

[neutralizer]

<< Higher than that of the 8KHA+? I don't think so. >>



Of course, it's higher than the 8KHA+, there is nothing wrong with 8KHA+, unless you just happen to have bad hardware. ECS on the other hand have been known to make inferior quality mobos.

 

[Pabster]

neutralizer wrote:

"Of course, it's higher than the 8KHA+, there is nothing wrong with 8KHA+"

Yeah, I mean, the thousands of posts to 8KHA+ "trouble" threads here and the thousands @ other forums are all wrong. Get a grip.

8KHA+ has had a plethora of issues since day one. I can speak from personal experience with 5 different boards.

 

[Mem]

<< That's funny... I don't recall having to load 4-in-1 "fix" packs or PCI latency "patches" for AMD or SiS chipsets... >>




Hmmm with XP OS no VIA drivers are needed to be installed ,as for the PCI Latency patch I don`t have that installed on my Epox 8KHA+ so no problem here .



<< And, again I ask, WHY do people keep making excuses for shoddy VIA core logic? Why? >>



Excuses? my PC boots up and does everything fine so why should there be excuses also why do you keep saying not to buy VIA chipset boards when you know it`s their money their choice.

Pabster you have to face facts that there are many people that have VIA KT266A boards working fine and just because you think SiS is better does not mean it`s,everybody has different chipsets and opinions.



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8KHA+ has had a plethora of issues since day one. I can speak from personal experience with 5 different boards. >>

sounds like user error to me.

 

[NFS4]

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<< That's funny... I don't recall having to load 4-in-1 "fix" packs or PCI latency "patches" for AMD or SiS chipsets... >>




Hmmm with XP OS no VIA drivers are needed to be installed ,as for the PCI Latency patch I don`t have that installed on my Epox 8KHA+ so no problem here .



<< And, again I ask, WHY do people keep making excuses for shoddy VIA core logic? Why? >>



Excuses? my PC boots up and does everything fine so why should there be excuses also why do you keep saying not to buy VIA chipset boards when you know it`s their money their choice.

Pabster you have to face facts that there are many people that have VIA KT266A boards working fine and just because you think SiS is better does not mean it`s,everybody has different chipsets and opinions.



<<
8KHA+ has had a plethora of issues since day one. I can speak from personal experience with 5 different boards. >>

sounds like user error to me.




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Oh don't mind Pabster. Some VIA peeps gave him a bad strip of acid and he hasn't been right since...






j/k

 

[Pabster]

NFS4 wrote:

"Some VIA peeps gave him a bad strip of acid"

LOL! I wondered what that bright, funny tasting strip with a VIA logo on it was for! I guess something to ease the pain while installing all those damn patches and fixes

 

[NFS4]

<< NFS4 wrote:

"Some VIA peeps gave him a bad strip of acid"

LOL! I wondered what that bright, funny tasting strip with a VIA logo on it was for! I guess something to ease the pain while installing all those damn patches and fixes >>


Do you complain about Microsoft patches and fixes?:Q

 

[Pabster]

NFS4 wrote:

"Do you complain about Microsoft patches and fixes?"

Of course. I'm every bit as displeased with the recent "run" of patches and fixes for various Microsoft OS's (XP in particular) as I am with VIA. Every single bit. There's zero excuse for either.

 

[Mem]

<< Of course. I'm every bit as displeased with the recent "run" of patches and fixes for various Microsoft OS's (XP in particular) as I am with VIA. Every single bit. There's zero excuse for either. >>




Lol ...Pabster sounds like you are getting lazy, come on installing XP updates is easy as clicking on "Windows update" ,or are you waiting for a patch for that .

 

[bluesky]

<< come on installing XP updates is easy as clicking on "Windows update" ,or are you waiting for a patch for that . >>



Hey, there is a patch, it's called 'Automatic Update'.

 

[Doomguy]

Pabster: You truly are a troll. Maybe if you actually read a few of those KT266A problem threads you would see that most are user error.

How could you like ECS motherboards? They make crappy motherboards with more flaws than a KT266A board could ever have. http://forum.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=4

Take a look at that, you'll see how bad ECS is.

 

[Pabster]

Doomguy wrote:

"Pabster: You truly are a troll."

Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere.

I'm not (and never have) denied that people have received "bad" ECS boards. But to insinuate that another board has "no failure" is ridiculous. 8KHA+ hasn't exactly been "trouble free".

I've got thick skin, so flame away. Personal attacks won't help you any.

 

[Doomguy]

I'm not attacking you, i'm just pointing out the facts. Big difference.

 

[John]

<< That's funny... I don't recall having to load 4-in-1 "fix" packs or PCI latency "patches" for AMD or SiS chipsets... >>



Odd, I don't recall having to load any 4-in-1's, or find the PCI latency patch a "must have" in Windows XP. With the 8KHA+ I can adjust PCI latency in the bios. The VIA chipset is not perfect by any means. However, it is not as taboo as you make it out to be.

 

[RanDum72]

I currently have two ECS K7S5A mobos, have installed seven of them. Only one hasn't been returned. However, once you get it runing, it runs like a charm though
and no weird behavior . But honestly, they need better QC on this board, its like the luck of the draw. If you get lucky, then it runs awesome.
Luckily, all my replacements have been trouble free so far.

 

[neutralizer]

How hard is to install just a bunch of patches? Besides you don't expect everything to perfect the first time. There are always tiny little errors, it is just human nature. If the mobos were perfect and free of error the first time around, those mobos will never get on the market.

 

[gogeeta13]

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<< That's funny... I don't recall having to load 4-in-1 "fix" packs or PCI latency "patches" for AMD or SiS chipsets... >>



Odd, I don't recall having to load any 4-in-1's, or find the PCI latency patch a "must have" in Windows XP. With the 8KHA+ I can adjust PCI latency in the bios. However the SIS735 needs ATA, LAN, and sound drivers. Care to comment?

I am not making excuses for anyone, but you on the other hand seem to do a fine job at it. >>



And none are neccessary. I am sure if Sis had 60% of the market, WinXP would have the drivers built in too.

Just because WinXP has 4 in 1 s(4.33 final to be exact) built in, doesnt mean they arent there.

I can say this though. I loaded the Sis drivers once, they have been rock stable and not required a single patch. Every video card and PCI card I have tried has run flawlessly, including Audigy's, Sb live!'s etc.

When I still ran my kt133a system, I was installing new 4 in 1;s to fix problems every other day. While I will admit my ak31a(kt266a) is better, it still sucks. My k7s5a rig is running flawlessly, and its I/0 scores whip any VIA mobo.

Here is something to try. Run 2 Promise ATA 100 cards(that have 2 ATA100 HDDs on each) and try and use the drives. Your system will crash and burn. Want to know why? V-link provides 266MB/s at very most.

IIRC, the all in one NB/SB sis chip has like 1.2GB/s bandwidth..

Now while I doubt many people will use the SiS735 in a server situation, it does kick the ass of any other [Desktop] AMD solution available.

 

[AGodspeed]

And if we all had Macs, we wouldn't need any MS or VIA patches, updates, fixes, security hole remedies....

 

[neutralizer]

if we all had Macs, we wouldn't have any compatibility problems anyway because there's not that much software or hardware to support.

 

[John]

<< And if we all had Macs, we wouldn't need any MS or VIA patches, updates, fixes, security hole remedies....


>>



ROFL. Yea, you would only need a flame suit.

 

[Mem]

Bring back the Amiga yes I remember the old Atari ST & Amiga A500 wars .