AMD 760 vs. KT266A

[gogeeta13]

<< and if we all had Macs, we wouldn't need any MS or VIA pathches, updates, fixes....


>>



you are right . We would be so busy making iMovies about the Mhz Myth we wouldnt need to patch anything

 

[neutralizer]

Didn't this topic first started out with AMD 760 vs. KT266A? How did we get to patching?

 

[gogeeta13]

<< Didn't this topic first started out with AMD 760 vs. KT266A? How did we get to patching? >>



wasnt me

/me walks away slowly then dashes into a sprint

 

[Pabster]

neutralizer wrote:

"Didn't this topic first started out with AMD 760 vs. KT266A? How did we get to patching?"

Any time a VIA chipset is mentioned, "patching" is a given.

 

[BFG10K]

That's funny... I don't recall having to load 4-in-1 "fix" packs or PCI latency "patches" for AMD or SiS chipsets... >>

AMD chipsets require chipset drivers just like Intel and VIA. In fact, your darling SiS also has chipset drivers just like everyone else.

So stop your trolling.

 

[Pabster]

BFG10K wrote:

"AMD chipsets require chipset drivers just like Intel and VIA. In fact, your darling SiS also has chipset drivers just like everyone else."

Bah-loney. I've yet to load a single driver for SiS 735. Using XP, each and every driver is installed by default. Which is a bit different than VIA, seeing as the ones included with XP are "missing" a few "patches" here and there.

"So stop your trolling."

Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere.

 

[BFG10K]

Bah-loney. I've yet to load a single driver for SiS 735.

What "bah-loney"? Did you follow the link or not? SiS has chipset drivers just like everyone else so stop pretending that VIA is somehow "different" because they have them too.

Using XP, each and every driver is installed by default. Which is a bit different than VIA, seeing as the ones included with XP are "missing" a few "patches" here and there.

Funny, my system is running just fine with the default XP drivers too. I have not loaded any of the 4-in-1s onto my system and I haven't had a single problem using any of nVidia's drivers.

Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere.

<rolleyes>

 

[Sunner]

<< Bring back the Amiga yes I remember the old Atari ST & Amiga A500 wars >>


Bah!
My Amiga tramples all over them crappy Ataris

Oh and Pabst, it's funny, Im running an 8KHA+, using Debian Linux and WinXP Pro on it, and lo and behold, both are working perfectly, and I havent installed a single hardware related patch on any of them(unless you count a custom compiled kernel that is).

And the system I built for a friend, also using the 8KHA+ is working just as flawlessly with XP Pro.

I guess Im just lucky?
Or maybe I just know what Im doing unlike some other people around here

 

[NFS4]

<< BFG10K wrote:

"AMD chipsets require chipset drivers just like Intel and VIA. In fact, your darling SiS also has chipset drivers just like everyone else."

Bah-loney. I've yet to load a single driver for SiS 735. Using XP, each and every driver is installed by default. Which is a bit different than VIA, seeing as the ones included with XP are "missing" a few "patches" here and there.

"So stop your trolling."

Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere. >>


VIA Chipsets by default don't require any additional drivers to work in Windows XP. They are installed by default. Same with the GeForce3, and other NVIDIA cards. You just have the OPTION to install newer drivers. Is there anything wrong with that?

SiS has a new IDE driver out now. Are you going to install it?

 

[mschell]

I decided to try a SiS 735 on a Leadtec 7350KDA motherboard and after overcoming a few problems with the system setup I find everything runs very smoothly. When I say smoothly I mean large system data transfers have virtually no effect on Windows operation while my Via system would have jerky mouse movements or slow video redraw during such transfers which I though were CPU induced. In short, the system multitasks much better and this is something that Sandra and other benchmarks won't tell you. This is using the WinXP SiS drivers which is surprising as the chipset is older than the drivers (or the drivers were written before the chipset was produced) which brings me to my main Via beef and that's the continual chipset driver "updates".

There's absolutely no excuse for releasing so many different drivers. The WinXP codebase has been available for around six months now but Via only recently released a "final" XP driver?? The hardware hasn?t changed and neither has the core OS software so all the updates just seem to be screwup fixes. I don't know about anyone else around here but I prefer the get it right the first time approach and it seems like SiS has done a bit better in this regard. I do have to say that Via chipset MB's have a much wider usage than others and this tends to magnify the problems encountered, so the jury is still out on the superiority of the SiS or any other competing chipset until their numbers of user increase to near Via levels.

 

[Lord Gwynz]

I've recall the nightmares I've had with VIA, reinstalling different versions of their 4-in-1 drivers on my old SS7 boards for stability/performance reasons. Nice to see some things haven't changed And not until the SIS735 came out did I ever feel safe again to venture far from my BX boards Built an AMD XP 1800+ system around the ECS K7S5A board about 2 months ago, and it couldn't have been more painless. Crunches SETI 24/7 without a hitch and happily runs every game I've thrown at it so far. Built another ECS system, an Athlon XP 1500+, a week ago for a relative and again it was a smooth install from beginning to end. Used standard brand name components, ie Sparkle/Antec PSUs, Crucial/PNY RAM, ATI/Leadtek video cards, ACPI enabled, dual boot to Win98SE & W2K and all is running fast and solid. And it costs less than a stick of PC2100 DDR RAM

 

[gogeeta13]

<< Bah-loney. I've yet to load a single driver for SiS 735.

What "bah-loney"? Did you follow the link or not? SiS has chipset drivers just like everyone else so stop pretending that VIA is somehow "different" because they have them too.

Using XP, each and every driver is installed by default. Which is a bit different than VIA, seeing as the ones included with XP are "missing" a few "patches" here and there.

Funny, my system is running just fine with the default XP drivers too. I have not loaded any of the 4-in-1s onto my system and I haven't had a single problem using any of nVidia's drivers.

Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere.

<rolleyes> >>




As I already mentioned, WinXP includes the 4 in 1's 4.33 along with the IDE and AGP and AC97' crap.

Pabster is right in the respect that you will have a working system as soon as you load XP. You just won't have the SiS900 LAN, the AC97' etc. But the system will be functional. The aformentioned Sis drivers were all for add-on, onboard stuff. The "main" part of the board runs fine w/ or w/o them.

If you take, say the Soyo Dragon+, do you think it will load all it's "extra" onboard stuff on it's own? I would doubt it.

 

[gogeeta13]

<<

SiS has a new IDE driver out now. Are you going to install it? >>



Why would I? My $57 ECS K7S5A whips any VIA board to date in I/O scores.

I wonder why nobody responded to my comment on loading the VIA board up with ATA controller cards?

Hmm..

 

[esc]

whats wrong with via? geez..i just got my first amd system with a kt266a 2 weeks ago and i never had to download anything or patching anything. via-haters are people who never seemed to have experienced anything bad with computers..no chipset or manufacturer is perfect..face it..SiS sucked years ago, it ain't no joke. you try my pii 400 with an SiS chipset and you'll go nuts. just wait with via. dont trash anything at first sight.

 

[Pabster]

gogeeta13 wrote:

"Why would I? My $57 ECS K7S5A whips any VIA board to date in I/O scores."

They'll never listen.

SiS 735 destroys each and every VIA south bridge on IDE performance. That's been proven time and time again.

The 1.2GB/s of bandwidth between the north and south bridges which 735 offers is the key.

 

[Pabster]

Orcish wrote:

"Unless there will be more high quality boards with SiS and ALi chipsets, VIA is hands down the best third-party chipset maker."

Not sure about ALi (seems Iwill is their main outlet) but SiS is coming on in strong fashion. Even the ubiquitous ABIT has SiS boards planned in the near future.

Gone are the days when AMD users must suffer with shoddy, low-performing VIA chipset based mainboards. And I say good riddens.

 

[jaeger66]

<< The 1.2GB/s of bandwidth between the north and south bridges which 735 offers is the key. >>


Could you possibly be any more clueless? This is only "key" if you're running software RAID 0 with 4 drives on the 2 primary IDE channels. Otherwise, it means zippo.

 

[Pabster]

jaeger66 wrote:

"Could you possibly be any more clueless?"

Ahem. Personal attacks and flattery will get you nowhere.

"This is only "key" if you're running software RAID 0 with 4 drives on the 2 primary IDE channels. Otherwise, it means zippo."

Another excuse-maker. That's only one example. SiS' IDE performance is superior to VIA, be it a single drive on a channel or 4 drives on an add-in PCI RAID controller. Makes no difference.